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General Discussion » MOM? Or is this just a husband who wants to have it both ways? » January 12, 2020 10:59 am

Thanks WBMS and MJM

The intent to be open-minded... boundaries get crossed. 
I saw a quote this morning that said unconditional love does not mean unconditional acceptance of bad behavior.. Being open or loving unconditionally does not happen healthily without discernment.   

A sad paradox is that it seems, as our culture and society in a well intended intended attempt to accept those that have been marginalized, ends up normalizing what were the margins and marginalizing what were the norms.  Hence the side effects of such a shift including the SS experience is now at least ignored if not dismissed.

ADSJ

General Discussion » MOM? Or is this just a husband who wants to have it both ways? » January 11, 2020 8:47 pm

I’ve been thinking about attempting to publish some essays I’ve written on the experience.  If anyone has any  suggestions where and how to attempt this I’d be grateful. 

I hadn’t thought of editorials. 

All the best,

ADSJ

Support » Newbie-Divorced From Gay Wife » January 9, 2020 8:50 am

Zappafan
Your experiences are common and what I would almost call the SS experience profile. 

The binge sex is interesting.  That’s a good description of my experience with my ex as well.  Long dry spells and then a few days of sexual activity but it didn’t approach anything I’d call intimacy. 

Pat yourself on the back that you took the lead to leave.  That also is a common experience.  The GID profile wants the cake and eat it too. The SS has to lead the exit often.

The resentment of the past, I think Abby is right that it fades,  but I don’t know if it ever totally goes away. 

I’ve been in a straight  relationship ( now married) for 5 years and have experienced healthy mutual desire with my current wife.  I still can’t comprehend that I lived without that for nearly 30 years. 

Often when I’d think of that fact I would get angry, now it’s more sadness and an inability to understand why the ex stayed.  But I just accept it and enjoy what I have now. 

All the best,

ADSJ

Support » Three Month postmortem and My suggestions to anyone starting this... » January 7, 2020 7:59 am

Str8guy
Thanks for your post. A lot of good resources there.

All the best. 

ADSJ

Support » Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please! » December 30, 2019 12:20 pm

Five years out, your story is YOUR story.  You are a straight spouse still in the closet - you are allowed to out yourself.  Do it  one conversation at a time. You have no obligation to stay in the closet. Start with a close friend, then another, then a close relative, then maybe a clergy, then your other child, then your child's in-laws  If they don't believe you and you have evidence - use it.  If you don't have evidence, then you will know who your true friends are.  The friends that don't believe you - its time for them to go.

You don't have to be vindictive or angry - you can even use humor. Two lines I used were "My ex wife and I had irreconcilable similarities - we both like women" and "My ex wife decided I was the wrong gender after 25 years".  The first one always gets a laugh and is an ice-breaker, the second one makes them stop and think, but is also an ice-breaker. 

Good luck. 

All the best, 

ADSJ
 

Support » I need advice on a situation that is probably familiar to everyone » December 29, 2019 2:35 pm

“‘’Honesty’ without compassion and understanding is not honest, but subtle hostility”. Rose N. Franzblau

AnotherSS,
I think this quote summarizes what you are experiencing.  Others suffer in the name of the GIDXs “honesty“.  I may write more later, but your story is very similar to mine. My ex wanted to date, so she could be sure.  I let her, but in my case it took only a few weeks to realize she was beyond any path of return.  She came out on Pearl Harbot Day 2013 and I decided on divorce by mid January 2014.  She also attempted a reconciliation after 16 months of separation and a few weeks before filing our settlement.  And just last year, 2018, four and half years
out, she tells me she felt the divorce was a mistake. 

She misses the family life as did I.  Deconstructing my family was very painful.  But she can’t have her cake and eat it too.

I am since remarried and blending a new family.  Even now my current wife observed that my ex consistently makes an attention grabber about every two months with a non-existent concern with one of the kids. 

I tell you all of this because you asked for advice, so here it is. 
1) She is gay but she is conflicted between family and her desires. She also used you for safety all these years and her return is a manifestation of her fear to go it alone. 
2) The marriage you thought you had is over, a new one will take ENORMOUS negotiation and reciprocity to survive at any level. (By reciprocity , I’m not talking about her giving you an opportunity to have lovers, I’m talking about taking your needs into account).   I doubt that is possible because of her dating behavior. Her actions early on only served her purposes, not your need for fidelity.
3) if you decide to leave, you will have to lead this exit. 
4) If you leave, do some homework with an attorney to prepare for discussions with your ex, consider mediation to keep things civil and balanced.  Learn as much as you can about the laws in your sta

Strategies for MOM's » A brief intro » December 26, 2019 4:54 pm

Doug, so sorry to hear the news, we all would like to see a different ending...And it sucks that it is at this time of year..,

two quotes that I found helpful on this journey..

Start where you are, use what you have, do what you can - Arthur Ashe

We must embrace the absurd and go to a place we have never known - Janie Gustafson

It’s very probable that you will encounter additional absurdity on this journey - there were many times where I told myself I couldn’t make this sh*t up if I was writing a script.

On the logistics, you say you are moving out.  Have you consulted an attorney before doing so? The optics on who moved out can work against you if custody issues get contentious...please check with one before you make that move...

All the best, 

ADSJ

General Discussion » Embracing Absurdity » December 23, 2019 11:45 am

In my daily meditation for the day I came upon a profound quote in dealing with growth and transformation...

“We must embrace the absurd and go beyond everything we have ever known” - Janie Gustafson

Just saying that out loud is empowering: this  journey has been filed with absurdity for each of us - denial, trauma, cognitive dissonance in attempting to reconcile the past with the truth, the societal silencing of the straight spouse experience, etc., and then even in my experience the dissonance and absurdity  that my daughter is essentially exposed to lesbian culture 50%  of her childhood and how or if that will affect her view of men and relationships in adulthood. 

Just acknowledging that it is absurd, helps to face it and move on to decide what I’m going to do about it. 

To all here, I wish you the ability to accept the absurdity as you move on to a better life...

All the best,


ADSJ

Support » Is It Normal To Feel So Tired? » December 12, 2019 10:23 pm

MJ, Three years out, I think it’s normal. It’s been 6 years and I feel like things are finally getting organized emotionally and calming down. I think grieving is just a long process.  I’m concluding it takes 6-7 years.

All the best,

ADSJ

Is He/She Gay » What were red flags 🚩 to you ? » November 30, 2019 11:22 am

For what it’s worth, both my ex and a long time classmate/colleague who came out the same time as my ex, had communicated   fantasies of group sex when I first met each of  them ( I did not meet each of them at exactly the same point in time in my life). In hindsight, I now assume they may have viewed that as a legitimate, acceptable means of engaging in same sex activity.

Just a thought.

All the best,

ADSJ

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