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December 30, 2019 11:35 am  #1


Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

Divorced 5 years from a still  closeted 'pillar of the community' ex-husband that I had been with since the 80's. 
Two adult children. EX  threatened me with a gag order during divorce and gaslighted and tortured me non-stop. I kept my mouth shut. Only person that knows cause of divorce is one adult child . This kid had asked father 6 times for the reason mom left.So I finally told kid the reason for divorce after being asked multiple times.  Ex-husband denies any wrongdoing of any sort.  
This man has played the 'my wife left me for no reason card' for the past 5 years. Tells people tearfuly that I was just a gold-digger. He even had the balls to stand up at child's wedding , crying and read a poem about  love.
The new in-laws ushered me out of the dinner because I was so mad and it was written all over my face.  I almost took the mike and outed him right there. IN laws also believe that I left this poor man and hurt him terribly. I felt the eyes of hundreds of people on me, as he has convinced ALL that I left for no reason by reading this tearful poem at grooms dinner. 
I am ready to explode.
Fast forward to now. This newly married child having a baby. Same group of people involved as the groom's dinner.  fiasco.They all believe I am the devil. They vist child's home  city and stay with ex-closeted pillar of community. They travel with him and invite him to stay with them out of state. Neither this child or his new family involve me in anything. My heart is broken. 
Yesterday I flew  across the country and attempted to set up a meeting with child's in laws. . I planned to tell them the basic reason for divorce, no dirty details, just the facts so that they could support my child. They refuse to meet in private and say they don't want to know.  The closeted ex is involved in all kinds of illegal rent boy and public sex with men activities. He is bound to be arrested  at some point and my main objective is really to be ready  provide support for my child. I also am sick of being treated like the DEVIL! 
Any advice appreciated. 
 

 

December 30, 2019 12:16 pm  #2


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

When I found out that my husband was telling people we had separated because we'd "grown apart" I corrected them by saying "No, I didn't grow a part he wanted." By this time both of our children knew the real reason so there wasn't that to hold me back. And I have a wicked sense of humor.

If you have one adult child you have not told l think that as soon as you can you need to tell the him/her the truth. This is particularly true if your ex is engaging in risky and/or illegal activities which might land him on the news. The more honestly you can live your life the better your new life will be.

Growing up I heard the story about a couple who lived near us and were surprised one year to receive a Christmas card baby photo from a single young woman who was not in their social circle. A talk with their son revealed that he likely was the father and they put pressure on him to pay child support. Not that I would suggest sending copies of your ex's ads or photos to your child's in-laws but it might be helpful to make copies so that you can tell your child that you have evidence of your ex's desires for sex with males. With my children it turned out that while they were at home one had found gay stuff accessed on the family computer and suspected it was their father's. You could find out that the one your haven't told yet already knows from the one you told or from other sources.

Once both children know the truth perhaps you can ask the one with the in-laws to try to let them know what really was behind the divorce. You probably won't have to see them much so try to shake it off.


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 

December 30, 2019 12:20 pm  #3


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

Five years out, your story is YOUR story.  You are a straight spouse still in the closet - you are allowed to out yourself.  Do it  one conversation at a time. You have no obligation to stay in the closet. Start with a close friend, then another, then a close relative, then maybe a clergy, then your other child, then your child's in-laws  If they don't believe you and you have evidence - use it.  If you don't have evidence, then you will know who your true friends are.  The friends that don't believe you - its time for them to go.

You don't have to be vindictive or angry - you can even use humor. Two lines I used were "My ex wife and I had irreconcilable similarities - we both like women" and "My ex wife decided I was the wrong gender after 25 years".  The first one always gets a laugh and is an ice-breaker, the second one makes them stop and think, but is also an ice-breaker. 

Good luck. 

All the best, 

ADSJ
 

 

December 30, 2019 12:24 pm  #4


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

What you have endured would try the patience of a saint, and I can see why you are as angry and resentful as you are.  

My ex is also closeted, and also has one of those unassailable public personas; I have evidence in the form of emails and selfies he sent me, and I keep them tucked away to remind myself that yes, he is what I know him to be, despite his public persona, and also "just in case"--one of those "just in cases" being finally telling my son, who I suspect will not believe unless I do produce the evidence.

I hope you have evidence, in a safe place, and can produce it when or if needed.  The temptation to out him must be almost unendurable, and kudos to you for the self control you displayed at your child's wedding; it must have been very difficult in the face of your ex's obvious manipulation and image management.  I always feel their public image management is a match for their sordid activities, so the more over the top public image management the worse the private behavior.

  I believe it is "WalkByMyself" who said that she told her children about their closeted father because she had seen news accounts of a closeted man who was murdered, and she didn't want her children finding out when the police arrived at the door.  Perhaps she'll weigh in (and correct me if I've gotten the story wrong).  Whatever your decision about providing the truth, when his behavior and false persona is exposed publicly, you'll be vindicated--but your in-laws will probably still keep their distance, as they won't be able to tolerate having to eat humble pie.

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December 30, 2019 12:36 pm  #5


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

Thank you so very much for the replies . Very very helpful .
These closeted men really are despicable . This Closeted gay married man  is most convincing pathological liar I’ve ever known . It was likely that I’d never figured this all out but I finally listened to my gut and hired professional to rat out the truth . If his mouth is moving , likely a lie is coming out .
Ironically , just before I found out the truth , I assisted and supported him in turning in a coworker for unethical behavior . What a piece of sh—-t

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December 30, 2019 5:48 pm  #6


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

OOHC, you are correct, that was me.  I don't believe a secret can remain secret forever, and I wanted to control the time and place my daughter had to learn it.  It would be shocking no matter what, but at least I could control the message.

Angry, I agree with what others have said.  If they're going to make you into the monster, they're going to do it no matter what.  But, you are under no obligation to keep their delusions intact.  

You could, if you chose, place the burden directly on your ex.  You have kept his secret for him, to spare him embarrassment, but you are not going to stand by silently and allow people to blame you and disparage your character.  He has to man up and stand up for you, or you'll set the record straight.

Abby, your response is brilliant.  I may need to steal it.

 

December 30, 2019 11:30 pm  #7


Re: Closeted gay Ex-husband continues his shenanigans! Help please!

Angry, I am angry at your GIDXH, too.

I was married to a violent GIDH for 20+ years-no kids. Mine pulled a smear campaign against me during our divorce. Meanwhile, he was cyberstalking & harassing me. 

He passed away from a heart attack a few months after the divorce.

I had police reports of domestic violence & restraining orders. I showed a few relatives everything.  It didn’t convince them. I was still a troublemaker. If they didn’t believe me with pages of legal documents, they wouldn’t believe TGT.

I would tell the child who does not know very gently. Be extremely cautious with others. Make sure they have your back 100%.

Charming psychopaths are experts at manipulating people. Outing him may come back to haunt you. He can strike back with many more lies.

These charmers tend to implode—very public legal trouble, gay scandals.  I bet you are not the only one mad at him.

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No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

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