Support » 13 years are over » December 22, 2023 4:24 pm |
Hey Dashu, I'm so sorry to hear your pain. I think I may have been one of the Redditors that replied to you.
It is normal for straight men to feel emasculated and feminized when we find out our partners are more attracted to woman than to us. Many of us feel like we were used, just a prop in their quest to be "normal" in the eyes of their community. Why would they choose to be with us if they really wanted a woman? Were we a "close enough" option for them? Was it something about us that made them choose to turn away from men, and run into the arms of women? Were all those fights really just a series of attacks on my manliness?
These thoughts are normal, but they are also false and unhealthy. I urge you to not let them eat you up. The simple fact that you did not choose to leave the relationship at the first sign of trouble tells me that you are a strong, quality man.
You are not weak. You are in a moment of internal pain and self-doubt, and probably trying to hide your pain from those around you. Find some close friends or family to confide in, and let them build you up. Even superheroes need somebody to believe in them, and remind them who they are, from time to time. We are only human.
For your own self-care, continue to do what you are doing. You are a good person, and I encourage you to nurture those qualities through counseling and physical activity. If you have not already started building a new skill or putting time into a hobby, I would encourage you to do that as well.
You don't have to continue to invest emotion into a person that will never return them in the way that you need. Save those emotions for yourself, until you find somebody worthy of them.
Hang strong, friend. We are all on your side.
General Discussion » Substance Abuse » December 22, 2023 4:09 pm |
My closeted les/bi/ace wife has a diagnosed eating disorder and borderline alcohol dependency.
Support » Acceptance? » December 14, 2023 10:42 pm |
Kate,
The struggle is real. I have watched my wife's eyes appreciate women in a way that they have never done for me, or any other man that I am aware of. She checks them out the exact same way I do. It's kinda funny to me, in a way. I always wished we had found a way to have some fun with this similarity in our tastes.
You might be feeling that his attraction to other people detracts from his attraction to you, and that is a fair and valid feeling. You are becoming hyper-aware of his gazing and commentary (as I also became) and just now noticing things that were probably there all along. But that doesn't mean that you are any less beautiful or loveable than you would be if his eyes were focused only on you.
You'll never be able to control his attractions, but you can choose how they affect you. If you choose to stay in the relationship, I hope you can find a place somewhere between "tolerance" and "enjoyment". After all, you seem to have a common interest--maybe you can even have some fun with it (watching Mr. Universe together?).
If you don't see a path where you can accept this as a normal, even enjoyable, part of your marriage, then it's hard for me to see how you can be in a different emotional place than you are today. It's a weird place to be in, and I'm still there myself. I haven't yet found the guidebook to tell us what the right answer is.
Is He/She Gay » Is He or Isnt He? » December 14, 2023 10:29 pm |
Hey Shay,
I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. A lot of this is very foreign to me (straight husband). The one thing that really jumps out at me is his potential instability. You are describing a fairly volatile physical relationship. Regardless of his orientation and desires, there might be some signs of underlying issues that require a professional touch.
I think you are also experiencing some high anxiety. Posting on here is a great thing and I will encourage you to do it often. As often as you need. We were all there, and many still are. Knowledge replaces fear, so build your knowledge.
Here is some of my psychologist's advice to me, that I will pass on to you to get through this time:
1. Take some deep breaths.
2. Make a list of things that you value, in/for yourself.
3. Go do those things.
For men, my advice is to "double down on the masculinity" after years of being emasculated and feminized. I'm not sure what the equivalent is for women, but that is the direction I would offer. Do some personal care for your own mental health so you can have a clear mind when addressing your relationship challenges.
Support » My wife is spending this week with another woman (for the first time) » December 8, 2023 6:37 pm |
doc,
It's coming up on the end of the week. You have been mighty quiet. I sincerely hope you are OK. If you have been keeping your head down and avoiding thinking about all this, we completely understand. But we also want you to know that you don't have to remain in a place of anxiety about your past, present, and future. I hope you come to a place where you can engage this community shortly after your wife returns. I have no doubt that you will have some pain, especially as you see her newfound joy that doesn't include you. We have been there. Some of us are still there. We share one another's burdens here.
We are looking forward to your return, buddy.
General Discussion » Arlington VA groups » December 4, 2023 8:56 am |
MD, about 90 minutes outside Arlington.
Support » cheating » November 24, 2023 6:47 pm |
Former cheater here, albeit a heterosexual one.
My own experience was that I used every trick in the book to justify my behavior to myself and override the guilt of living with the secret. I definitely adopted the "what she doesn't know won't hurt her" attitude. I did not see until later that the closet I was living in had effects on the family that I was unable to see.
I came clean and went through the rounds of therapy and support groups. But that did little to address the underlying issues in the marriage that made infidelity seem like a good idea in the first place. I can tell you from personal experience that the temptation is always there: it's as attractive an escape from this miserable reality as any drug, alcohol, gambling, or other addictive/compulsive behavior.
A homosexual/bisexual cheater has 2 closets they are hiding inside: one for their orientation, and one for their extracurricular activities. I completely understand the self-justification and search for approval. To me, the fact that he is trying to justify it to you as a positive experience is an indication that he truly believes it was a good thing for him, for the marriage.
If you choose to stay in such a relationship, know that you will face 2 battles on a daily basis: (1) the knowledge that he has strong desires that you will never be able to meet, and (2) he knows exactly how he can get them met with or without your approval. On his strongest days, where he feels the most committed and connected to you, he may be able to suppress them. On his weakest days, where he feels disconnected or resentful of marrying you, his mind will go right back to the memories of his days of exploring and getting the satisfaction he could never get from you.
I'm very unqualified to give you any advice one way or the other, but I think I can verbalize what might be going through his head. I don't doubt that he loves you and is mentally willing to commit to living out his days with you, perhaps even faithful
Is He/She Gay » Anger after sex? » November 13, 2023 12:23 am |
PJ -
Trying to keep this topic fresh, as I believe it shows some important insight that is hard to ignore. Sexual intimacy is one of the most beautiful, purest, and loving ways a couple builds togetherness. In my experience with (illicit :-( ) heterosexual partners, both parties simply glow for days after a glorious encounter. There are fireworks going off during the act, and the emotional candles burn brighter afterward. All that one could ever want was found in this amazing partner. It is a truly wonderful thing.
For a committed partner to show the opposite behavior of anger and resentment--before, during, or after--is cheapening the value of sexual intimacy and degrading the raw satisfaction that it should be bringing to both parties. The non-straight partner already dislikes it. But then they project their distaste on the straight partner and ruin their experience. Both partners leave the experience feeling worse off. The end result is that a couple did a thing, and both experience negativity about it. That is a crime against sexual intimacy, and against the relationship itself.
I can't give you any advice for how to proceed, because I'm still in the thick of it myself. Mine won't even see a counselor to acknowledge her own orientation. But I can tell you this: the simple fact that you perceive a problem and question her orientation, means that there is a problem. Her orientation might be in question; the existence of a problem is a cold hard fact.
I've also been lurking the forums at AVEN (same username). That forum is dedicated to a different non-hetero orientation, but I think its principles still apply to what we are dealing with here. I'd commend it to your reading to get some insight as to what might be going through her head.
Knowledge replaces fear. Go forth and be manly.
Support » Trigger events and secrets » November 11, 2023 8:23 pm |
PJ wrote:
When she says "doesn't want to give you ammo", what she is displaying here is her own homophobia that lies at the root of the deceit.
100%. Mine continuously uses the phrase "You're just building a case against me". If that is so, it has been a case 20 years in the making, based on 20 years of evidence, and I only recently realized this summer that there was a case at all. Late to the GID party I guess.
I hope that we are a generation away from homophobia being completely eradicated, that people can feel empowered to be honest about their attractions early in life, even if married or a committed relationship. It sure would cause less pain.
Sadly, I feel that religious communities will be the last to adopt this posture. I think religion makes it twice as hard: harder for the GID spouse to address their true self, and harder for the straight spouse to do something about it.
I'm overcome by loneliness today. Apologies for coming off as ranting.
Support » I am coming to terms that my Husband preferred men! » November 9, 2023 10:14 pm |
Josephine wrote:
Who hates himself more? Me or him?
As a man that hid in his own closet of infidelity for years, my guess is that he hated himself far worse than you are capable of. At least that is what I experienced, and continue to experience. Shame and guilt devoured his soul.
He chose you as his partner-in-hiding because he found some qualities in you that he wanted in his life. In some way, you complemented him. A person would not enter a long-term relationship with somebody they do not find some compatibility with.
He knows that he hurt you. If he was a true psychopath, he probably did not care. If he was not a psychopath, he probably carried shame and guilt for what he did to you. He may not have shown it (some of us men are notorious for burying our feelings), but I imagine that it was there.
You are right to be angry and resentful. He lied to you. You hate him for it, and I think he also hated himself for it. He received his reward, and you received heartache. This was his selfishness that you paid the penalty for.
Be strong, have hope. Better days are ahead.