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Hi all,
Just found this site and podcast today. I have no suspected my man of 20 plus yrs, it was my dr, who did an hour long session with him over his health and depression, she has worked with me for a few yrs and knows some of the issues with my marriage. Well after she say him and I was present, my next time she said "Have you questioned his sexuality?"
I have never, also have never had anyone say anything before, nor my spouse. She referred me to a counselor to talk to and said they both see this often and deal with it. She said hes so depressed and hates himself and there is something buried very deep and she cant say thats it 100% but with everything I have shared and her observations she wanted me to think on this.
Some history.
Dated him in my 20s after coming out of an abusive marriage, that first night together, he didnt come onto me at all, I wanted him badly, he offered to sleep on the floor, said he was a gentleman, I asked him to get in the bed after an hour, and he faced the wall. It took hours to get him to pick up on me sexually, we did end up having sex and it was good. And we have pretty much been together since, we dated long distance for 3 yrs, so I saw him once or twice a wk for a night, and sex seemed to be okay because we were excited to see one another but we really only had our relationship on the phone. He hasnt been one to be turned on by me giving him a look, a seductive touch, an outfit. I havent really felt desired in the relationship. No oral sex, not him wanting it or to perform it, it happened maybe 3 times with either of us for almost 20 yrs. I did miss and desire it and I really felt like he didnt 'like me" or was grossed out by it, but he said that wasnt the case? He did grow up watching porn since he was about 8 but has never said it was gay porn, he likes dominating women. We went through a long stretch of him not really wanting sex, other then once every other wk because I was practically desperate for it, it lasted about 15 min, same way, same place, and I always wished for longer sessions. During that time he had a lot of anger, once pushed me off him during sex, very angrily and I was all confused and hurt as I was in the throws of passion,I asked what was wrong and hed say "IM broken!" he had a big obsession with his "D" not being big enough not being hard enough, not lasting long enough, constantly negative talk about himself. He went to a dr and did T shots for about a yr and i didnt notice any difference. He rarely wanted to kiss, make out, I couldnt drive him crazy by walking by naked. He likes long socks, thats all I do know. I went with him to the hormone Dr and he said "She will be the one to notice if its working" and I said there was no change and the Dr said "Then it could also be depression" He is also Aspie and I really just thought hes aesexual. He has taken viagra, cialis, gets those things but hasnt hidden them, hes used pumps, had the shock wave, says he has "Venous insufficiency?" but then my dr said "He doesnt see drs, how does he know, how did that get diagnosed" and he told me he had chalmydia before we dated and had to call a couple female partners and get treatment. Said there has only been women. We talk openly, I have read sex and kink quizzes and we have asked if we have had thoughts of the other sex, etc, he said no. A few yrs ago I started hormone therapy for myself, not for libido, Im more like the guy in the relationship with my drive and desire. My drive got really strong and even worse and it was hard to deal with, we read lots of sex books "She comes first" and "My secret garden" and he said he didnt have any desire for sex, he just didnt care. But now in the last yr and a half? He got back on Testosterone, we tried edibles, we started to have sex more and spend longer periods for the first time in 20 yrs and I thought things were great now! I entertained pegging with him and went some rounds with that and anal play and he really loves and enjoys it, but after a bit I started to feel ick about it and grossed out and told him I didnt want to do it anymore. He doesnt have interest in meeting my fantasies, still is iffy on oral sex, I started to learn and perform more and he said "Its not really my thing" and has even asked me to stop during it before, and sometimes its okay, now Ive lost all desire to try anymore. I travel often, have asked him to go on cam, have phone or cam sex with me he said hes never done it before??? IM all really? I have fewer sexual partners then him and I had experience and we met on AOL. I would make sexually suggestive comments via phone and he would say "Well im heading to bed" hes been depressed all his life, kind of an angry demeanor. Hes not really connecting it feels with me like "Being made love too" but he is into pleasuring me? So some of its conflicting, he likes breasts, but I dont feel made love to, connected with emotionally. Its all Pleasure, but its like something is missing. He has been masturbating more, i wont do it anymore, he douches, he has anal toys, but its not when Im around. In 20 yrs I havent really met any friends of his, its mostly people he works with, he works at home now and has for yrs, hes hardly gone, but I travel, hes always home. But when I travel? He hardly calls me, like the first 3 days its like I dont exsist, and we can go 2-3 days and no calls and only talk for 5 min, and Ive never wanted it that way, have asked for more. Have asked to be tied up, sexual play all of that. He knows how to make me orgasm, he know wants sex on a weekly average and this has just been in the last yr and a half, so I thought we were turning a corner. As of recent, hes had some health stuff, first one blood in his urine after some events away from home (shooting guns with guys) got into the clinic, had a bladder infection and antibiotics, then a Strep B showed on the next culture. I also tested at my last pap for Urea Plasma, but then the stats say it could just be an imbalance in body bacteria. We had to both do antibiotics. My Dr asked me if I have UTI's, I said no, not really but back when things were really bad between us, I had them repeatedly and even asked my dr why? I was having my yrly exams and tests, and I always made sure we had sex the day before I left for trips, and the UTI would be set off right away.
Im not sure what to think the counselor said at this point its speculation, but urged to try and get him into counseling, he did say it was depression and that he was "broken" as his excuse for most of the marriage, or he was too full after dinner for sex, he was tired, its a work night, I couldnt initiate sex after he fell asleep ever, he had so much control over when it could happen. Now it seems he just can connect to me well if hes had edibles... which I stopped doing mos ago because I want to fully be present....
Sigh, any comments, questions? I had a talk with him tonight about the last time he was tested, and did he do it before we got together, I didnt know? He said yeah before we started dating, and he hasnt felt the need as he says he hasnt been with anyone else.
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Something else to note, I was gone for over 6 wks, when I came home our first sexual encounter, we use a sex blanket to keep our bed clean and he grabbed it and I laid on it and it was all wet, I said "Did you use it?" and it smelled like massage oil I have beside the bed. He keeps a bottle of lube next to the bed, and the anal douche bottle was out too in our bathroom. Would a man do all of this in solo play? I know he does anal play solo after we experimented with pegging. But I havent done that with him in since last yr.
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Hey Shay,
I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. A lot of this is very foreign to me (straight husband). The one thing that really jumps out at me is his potential instability. You are describing a fairly volatile physical relationship. Regardless of his orientation and desires, there might be some signs of underlying issues that require a professional touch.
I think you are also experiencing some high anxiety. Posting on here is a great thing and I will encourage you to do it often. As often as you need. We were all there, and many still are. Knowledge replaces fear, so build your knowledge.
Here is some of my psychologist's advice to me, that I will pass on to you to get through this time:
1. Take some deep breaths.
2. Make a list of things that you value, in/for yourself.
3. Go do those things.
For men, my advice is to "double down on the masculinity" after years of being emasculated and feminized. I'm not sure what the equivalent is for women, but that is the direction I would offer. Do some personal care for your own mental health so you can have a clear mind when addressing your relationship challenges.
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ShayLynn wrote:
Something else to note, I was gone for over 6 wks, when I came home our first sexual encounter, we use a sex blanket to keep our bed clean and he grabbed it and I laid on it and it was all wet, I said "Did you use it?" and it smelled like massage oil I have beside the bed. He keeps a bottle of lube next to the bed, and the anal douche bottle was out too in our bathroom. Would a man do all of this in solo play? I know he does anal play solo after we experimented with pegging. But I havent done that with him in since last yr.
I am a guy guy, and normally I might be able to give you more perspective but there is a lot going on here. What you described in your first posting(everything but the health related stuff) could defiantly caused by your partner being gay. In fact if it were not for the Aspie thing and depression. I would have concluded that gay was the most likely reason.
Depression could also cause those sorts of problems and to make things more complex than they already are(ugh..) him being gay and how he feels about it could also lead to depression. Not to mention the drugs that treat depression could interfere with sex. You have got a real knot here and I think your doctor is right in that the both of you probably need some consoling.
What I can tell you is that straight guys don't want to do anal by themselves or choose masturbation when the real thing is willing and available. It is a strong sign that whatever phantasy he has it probably does not involve a woman and yes a guy might do that in solo play esp. a gay one.
As for why he the edibles work. It lowers his inhibitions and likely gets rid of some of the hang ups he has about doing it no matter if he is gay or straight.
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Sounds almost exactly like my husband. I would give advice but I'm struggling with mine as well. Just know your suspicion is well founded. If he can't give you a straight answer but excuses, it may be time to end all of that wasted time and loss. That's time we can NEVER GET BACK. If you are still young(er), don't let him even share your oxygen.
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Hi everyone, I wrote this post 2 yrs ago, and I am back. I have gone along, wondering, have focused more on my self, my therapy and healing and Ive detached a lot from my spouse, we have 2 homes and I travel a lot.
We just took our first vacation together in a long while and we had a night in Vegas, a wk by the ocean he didnt have to work. I asked him the first night in vegas as we laid in bed together "Do you ever just want to make out?" and he said "Sure" I said "How often?" he said "About once every 2-3 mos?" I literally felt a stab to my heart but didnt react, he then said "You?" I said "Every day" he replied "Thats like low level sexual assault" and then followed it up with "Im sorta kidding"
I rolled over that night, nothing sexual happened. He knows how important kissing is to me as I have discussed this topic before. And I just sat there wondering how have I been with a man for over 20 yrs that I never knew this about? He doesnt really think much of making out? We do it, because I initiate it or during sex mostly. Make out that is.
So with time since I wrote this post and I dont have any answer as of yet from him, but now with my own reflection, if others can look at these things
Hes had ED probs since the start, in his 20s, kept saying it was something physically with him. Hed say "Hes broken!" angrily, he went on testosterone therapy for a yr, and nothing changed, his dr even looked at us both and said "If anyone would notice a change, she would" and my spouse was more thrilled how it helped his sports performance, no concern about the sex aspect with me.
He doesnt like to kiss beyond a peck, he likes to snuggle
We were at the beach alone, no stress, beauty, walks, great food, I didnt initiate sex all wk or take any edibles with him either, and no sex happened all wk. This is eye opening, Im a very sexual being and Ive been the aggressive one in this relationship and he has seemed to prefer it this way since the start.
He rarely performs oral sex, but when asked said Oh yes he loves it. I dont believe it to be honest, he does it maybe once or twice a yr, we have talked about it and he says "Well I need to change that" when I say how it doesnt happen much or that I enjoy it. It feels awkward when he does, Ive never been able to relax, like I for one know he wont keep doing it long enough for me to cum and hes going to stop but I have a hard time feeling hes "into it" and have felt that the entire relationship.
He works, video games and talks to a younger male they game together, but they are also in a sport together in real life, they see eachother about twice a month for this event, go to lunch, but they are online together for hours every nite gaming, the young guy gave him a christmas gift, I saw the gift wrap in our office but he never told me anything so I asked, it was a gift from the guy.
They are currently on a sport trip together and part of me wants him to get involved with him and be gay and TELL ME, so I have answers,,, because he doesnt seem to want a divorce, he seems to be okay spending money on me, his way to show love, house, travel, vehicle, buy what I want. He doesnt care where I go really, he said "Dont think its lost on me" when we have discussed my sexual loneliness and what I crave, yes we do have sex and its fun and pleasureable, but I feel its lack an emotional bonding connection, its SEX and pleasure, but I want love, tenderness, bonding,,, and that feels like its lacking,,,,
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There was a period of time, yrs where we rarely had sex, he was very angry, focused on work, came home and spent maybe an hour with me, I felt I got breadcrumbs for attn. One of the most traumatizing times was in the middle of sex, I was on top of him, he pushed me off him in the middle of pleasure, I was in shock, he was angry, and I was confused laying there and said "Whats wrong?" He said "IM JUST BROKEN!" and was so angry, laying there starring up at the ceiling. He was not soft and kind to me, I was so hurt over this and confused, and Id try to talk to him, Im patient and kind and not judgemental of a people and he was so angry and yelled at me "You want to think this is about you! It has nothing to do with you! Im just broken!" and hes always made it about his penis, saying its broken.
This was during our darkest time, he didnt seem to want or initiate sex, if we did have it, it once every 2 wks for 15 min... and same way, same place and I was just so grateful for that
As I look at things now, I told him "if it wasnt for the fact you like to cuddle and snuggle, I dont think we would have made it this long" because what would I gain as far as intimacy?
I started having UTIs again as of recent after sex with him, its getting frustrating,
Also after I came back home from one trip, we have a blanket at the foot of the bed, waterproof sex blanket we use, and as we got intimate and I got it out, it was all wet, and I said "Umm its wet?" and he said "Oh I guess I forgot to wash it" and he made some mention of solo play but Im all thinking, what the heck was he doing solo while I was gone to leave it that wet? He does keep lube by the side of the bed. I have no idea what his sexual solo play looks like. I also tried to get him to have phone sex with me, on camera, during travels and he "tried" it took me almost 2 hrs to coax him into doing this with me, I mean we have been together 20 yrs, he doesnt want to have phone or camera sex or masturbate for me, until I talked him thru it so much to get his guard down, by the time it was over? I was exhausted and have no interest in trying that again. He was also very obsessed with himself cumming on cam after that, making a slow mo of himself, without me and sending it to me. It frankly wasnt sexy to me, and was strange and awkward.