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General Discussion » Where I am: OOHC's summer realizations, Part One » September 27, 2017 3:48 pm

whatasham24
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Dearest Out, I'm so very very proud of you!.... & even more excited for the new life & *you* you're already reshaping. I'll be following this thread so I can reread your beautiful summer journal as every other line was as though you were telling all of our stories. Bless you for sharing & I agree with others, you are an amazing & eloquent writer. Please keep writing for a future public share ;) 

General Discussion » New here, how does this work? Husband came out, plans to transition. » September 27, 2017 2:44 pm

whatasham24
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Allison, I'm so sorry you're here, it's a struggle I wouldn't wish on anyone, but this forum, these generous, soulful, gracious snarkers......they'll get u thru it! Like OOHC said, even the non TG spouses stories & advice will be immeasurable in your strength to keep moving forward & get you back to stable footing. It takes time though, so know that & don't get discouraged. Better days are ahead when you take back your life xxx

OOHC, if I could only save my own life!!! Still a shitshow, but feeling more blasse, than devistated. It's a slow process, made slower for me because of my health & an inability to get out my cape & hit the road. It's been a lesson in power though, I'll say that. I've learned that I'm STILL worthy of love, respect & kindness, no matter whether I can physically & financially support myself. A lesson I needed to learn & one I think was at the crux of my dependance on a shithead....and how said "shithead" actually depended on me feeling *less than* and unworthy. I'm also seeing flashbacks now how he also nurtured that weakness, to ensure his own survival. 

Baby steps. You can't expect to undo or correct a debilitating pattern that's been in the making for decades...or a lifetime. (yes, that affirmation was mostly for my benefit)

Bless you fellow Shitstorm Troopers. Troop on xxxxx
Sham

Support » New Here - Wife of M-to-F Transgender » July 18, 2017 6:53 pm

whatasham24
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OOHC,
Sweet Out, I did not take anything you said as diminishing, far from it. Your insight & grace is always welcome & appreciated. I hope your wee escape is the sabbatical your spirit so needs to "getting clear" & I look forward to hearing your new insight xx

Support » New Here - Wife of M-to-F Transgender » June 24, 2017 2:40 pm

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OutofHisCloset wrote:

Sham,
   I love your fighting spirit, your anger, and the mightiness you demonstrated in getting free of a soul-crushing marriage that nearly killed you.  
 

Oh, but I'm not free. Not even close OOHC. So many years spent in this hell has left me seriously flattened. As everyone here knows, the real work begins after separation. I'm sure I'd be doing much better if I had better health, but physically & mentally, I'm pretty bankrupt. The longer one stays in these relationships, the harder it is to unwind all the damage. My heart aches for all the young partners who think it only takes small compromises to make the marriage work because we all know how insanely cruel & exhausting those compounding sacrifices are as the years pass. 

Trunte: I'm sorry it's such an ugly, tortured & crass outlook we tell, I truly wish we could be a shining-bright-with-love declaration of making a straight spouse/TG  marriage work. There are other opinions & forums out there that are less harsh for sure. They talk about "compromises & consolations" (on the straight spouse's part mind you, NEVER on the part of the TG/crossdressing part, unless you agree their "sufferring & slow pace" is a compromise). In 25 years though, I have yet to hear a single story of how joyous, fulfilling & positive such a marriage is & that they highly recommend it. Not one. That's telling enough in my opinion, to strive for more from a marriage & life. At the very least, please put yourself at the TOP of your list and don't fall victim to the Transcentric focus or him being the foundation & axis of everything. If allowed any freedom, it will turn your life upside down & your "new normals" will progress so far beyond your initial & authentic comfort zone.

So much time & energy is spent on Trans once it's been disclosed, it's the same all consuming shift not unlike coming home from the hospital with your first child. You forget what life was like before your life took on this cha

Support » New Here - Wife of M-to-F Transgender » June 9, 2017 8:20 pm

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OutofHisCloset wrote:

Roozoo,
     
    The only problem is, this figuring out effort is ultimately misdirected energy.  All the mental effort you're currently expending on him?  You need to expend it on you. You can't change him; you can't control his actions.  (In fact, in your initial post you made clear just how true this was: initially he wasn't going to "do" anything; a year later, what you even referred to as "fast forward," he's fully out at work and on hormones.) You can only change yourself and control your own actions.  You can decide what you want your life to be and take the actions to make that life possible.  You can set boundaries (like not in the house). One thing you should probably get on your radar screen to do, one boundary to set, has to do with money: how much household resources are you wiling to designate for your husband's double life?  A whole new wardrobe?  Counseling?  Prescriptions?  Those expenses are his first priority; I doubt they are yours.
 

Roozoo, the above emphasized what OOHC wrote. Ironically, I have little energy myself to give you my long story but the above statement is so correct. Like OOHC, i spent decades with a manly man, now a closeted TG, he said all the things your husband has/is saying and what does it amount to for the straight, dutiful, supportive, liberal wife? Exhaustion, depression, physical illness, isolation, and complete & utter emptiness. If you chose to stay you will have at the end of it, after given all of you away & then when they've finally grown some actual lady balls & decide to live their true authentic life, which always includes coming out as gay (or straight to them as they see themselves as women, desiring men., they simply can't bring themselves to admitting out loud they actually *do* want & prefer sex with a man, not you, his wife.... hello, Caitlyn Jenner coming out roadmap)....sorry, long run on....You will end up feeling used, void of your own former feminit

Is He/She Gay » For straight spouses over 50 in long marriages » January 30, 2017 2:25 pm

whatasham24
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Hilder, I'm so sorry about the place you have been thrown into. More like "catapulted" eh? Sure, in hind site, you look back & see all the markers & warnings, but everything is blown apart in one swift, ugly detonation. You will come thru this to a much better place. It's never okay, but you will not be in that "elephants sitting on my chest" phase eventually. I promise! 

My husband was never outwardly nasty like yours seems to have been. That is horrid!! this ugly darkness is all him, not you. Calling his "partner" a c*nt says waaaay more about his dark spirit & it needs to be handed right back to him to deal with (even figurativly) and not you carrying that shit around. I know, easier said than done at the beginning. I'm sure someone has already suggested but it merits repeating; get a lawyer, a therapist, find a bff who you trust with your broken heart and be kind to yourself. Always. It's okay to cry, get pissed, scream, question. You are not going to be superwoman right out of the starting gate, but tell yourself "In time, I will be okay & survive this crap. I have faith in this because I deserve love & beauty & I will recognize it because I've seen the opposite."..... Naive & blind no longer, it will eventually feel like the freedom & clarity you have been yearning.

baby steps xxxxxx
Sham

Support » assaulted by the trans narrative » January 30, 2017 12:28 am

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OOHC, Brilliant. I too feel even mmore isolated now that I have chosen to exit his closet. I have always been a very liberal minded supporter off LGBT, helping in the community as much as I could, helping my own husband further his progress & cause (unknowingly! that whole "hind site 20/20' thing!) and now, it makes me  so irritated to see anything Trans mtf. I KNOW it has diddly squat to do with gender for 95% of mtf middle aged males. And to listen to the chatter,,  for me especially, not one to bite my tongue, it's a test to my patience. I don't know how you cope at your given workplace & husband''s close proximity.

The co worker suggesting "Sexy Times" at the end of that is very telling. It really IS sim
mply about sexual behavior. If it's not, how inappropriate for it to be included. And why must a Renaissance lesson be spun as "Trans"? Oh right, it's so Au Current! How stylish & edgy.  

You must be exhausted. On one hand we are reeling from all the new info we are learning, we're pissed, confused,, want to scream from he roof tops what us *insiders* know about the real Trans that Trans are not sharing but really, we would love nothing more than to rewind to the days we were clueless & simply LGBT supportive,, but we are slapped in the face every single day y the movement. I hate that make up commercial with the male blogger as the new *spokes person* for make up, in full drag make up, smile as big as Texas. Then I feel like a hypocritical bitter bitch for rolling my eyes & letting out a big  "Ugh!"

I have very little social/workplace interactions though, unlike you. I applaud you, your grace, patience & diplomacy. I would be reminding your spouse how EXTRA lucky he is that his co worker/wife/life partner experienced in the CD/TG narrative is all of the above mentioned. Kudos. 

xxSham

General Discussion » Helping Others to Understand » January 29, 2017 8:51 pm

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JKpeace, how beautiful that you have arrived at this place. You're right, you have to let go of anger in order to move on. I'm in that zone now too. I still don't trust him or accept his denial or excuses, but he clearly will not ever apologize or get it, not from my perspective anyway, so I need to walk away from that yearning, it's a waste of sacred & scarce energy. It's also so important to children, no matter their age, to see parents handling life as gracious & loving as possible.......without being a doormat!

Maresyd is right: there is enough hate going around these days, it's gross.

Is He/She Gay » For straight spouses over 50 in long marriages » January 29, 2017 8:22 pm

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OutOfHisCloset, Bless you Momma, that massive hug is felt & appreciated xxxx I wish we lived closer too, a good hang out (read: giggle & bitch session) would be so awesome. It would be so nice to actually hang out with someone, face to face, that understands the situation & *gets* why you may need to discuss it for more than like, 10 minutes! Not that I want to dwell on it, but after  25 years and such a whammo blow, it's hard to just "get over it", even though i want nothing more than to put this trash so far in the rear view mirror. 

I'll check out that other link, it sounds interesting! I agree, the TransWidow site is great! Informative, honest, humour intertwined

And I'm sorry it must seem so selfish, after getting so much support from everyone here during my own "ground zero" moment & now my presence & help/hugs/advice/support is so scarce. I'm just so damn tired & numb from it all. I'll have to revisit that grief timeline & see how far I have to go to getting my mojo back.....wine n chocolate isn't as great an elixer as I hoped! I do think of everyone's heartache here often & come by to get a check up on everyone's progress to happiness, but it's also really sad to see so many new weekly "I'm so glad I found this site! I've just discovered....."

Damn, too many broken hearts & crushed spirits. 

Cheers to all & big hugs, always
Sham
 

Support » Not sure what he means... » January 25, 2017 12:31 am

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Katie,
I'm in the process of exiting a 25 yr marriage to an occasional crossdresser > (then) crossdresser > TG non surgical > TG saving for surgery but not gay to where we are now, TG gay in denial husband. I wish I had great news or encouragement but the truth is, once the cat's outta the bag, things move swiftly. As does the depleting bank account and the lies & stealth behavior keeps growing.  The running joke AMONG transgenders theselves is "What's the difference between cross dressing & Trans?...........2 years!" and the other doosy "Starts straight, ends gay" *and all the 'girls' laugh* 

Your husband's timeline of confessions is the same as all of us spouses of TGs . I can tell you,, you haven't yet arrived at his final destination. I'm sorry, but plan to see a lawyer, keep your cards to yourself & know that the EARLIER you move on, as a happy, authentic, single mom & thriving woman, seperate from a TG husband, the better it will be for you AND your daughter. I stayed for 25 years & it doesn't go away, get better, become easier or do any one in your family any good to live a lie.

Big hugs & take care of yourself first, let him crash & burn at his own party, the clean up is devastating.

Sham

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