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Support » Telling the kids... » February 1, 2023 5:11 pm

jkpeace
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I posted regularly a few years back, though I don't much now. After 24 years of marriage and 5 children, my GID spouse came out and left. To me, telling the children the reason their father left was essential. They were ages 8 - 20 when told. We straight spouses did not know the truth, and that crushed us. Telling my children has helped them to understand their lives.  Can you imagine being a child (even an adult child), assuming your parents have a good marriage, when all of a sudden the marriage ends abruptly? Can you imagine being a child thinking that nothing makes sense anymore? Children wonder and their incorrect guesses can cause all kinds of damage.

Knowing the truth has helped them understand both my struggles and their father's...how his struggle led to dishonest and selfish choices that affected all of us so deeply. They understood why I was angry and why I lost an unhealthy amount of weight and looked ill. They understood why I was in shock. They recognize that their father's disengaged detachment and depression had nothing to do with them or me. The kids and I struggled through those first years together. Those were heartbreaking years, full of unimaginable pain. I do not think we would have made it through had I not told the children the truth. No counseling or advice can help when a lie remains. I wanted my children to heal, so I told them the truth. Telling the truth is not outing someone when it is about them, too. I truly do not think my children would trust me as they do, had they not been told the truth. My children trust me completely.

I will say that it is extremely important that children be told carefully. If there is any type of LGBTQ bashing, that will come out as hateful. Hate never helps. I was hurt and angry and in shock. I did not handle everything perfectly, but I did my best. The one thing I know I did right was never condemn my ex for being gay. I was angry at his deceit our entire marriage. That hurt the children as much as it h

Support » closeted husband dating again » October 4, 2022 10:18 pm

jkpeace
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OOHC,

I haven’t posted in such a long time, but we have been on this journey together for years. I would be so incredibly angry. How dare he again engage in a deceptive relationship! You think clearly, so I support whatever you decide. My first instinct is always to go with truth. If you are telling the truth out of compassion for this woman, I don’t see how that can be a bad choice. Of course, what this woman does with the information is completely up to her. That is out of your control.

I would make a decision, reflect on it a very short bit, follow through…and then go take care of yourself. You owe it to yourself to not let this new situation erode any of the progress you’ve made.

Support » New and struggling » June 7, 2021 12:53 pm

jkpeace
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Heartbroken,
I am so sorry for your struggle. My ex came out after 24 years of marriage and 5 children. The ups and downs and cognitive dissonance can make you crazy! I was in complete shock for about one year. You are most likely in shock, as well. and may be incapable of thinking clearly. Looking back, I know that I was unable to think clearly. The emotional struggle will be long. My ex came out 5 years ago. I am doing better, but I still struggle with feelings of hopelessness, bitterness, and distrust.

Financially, he should owe you spousal support, and you will need it. The best decision I made was to find a lawyer. I did not want to fight about money and made the decision to let a professional handle that. Do this as soon as you can. My ex had always been kind, hard-working, and generous. His entire personality and demeanor changed after he came out. He went from, "I will always be there for you and the kids" to a complete stranger who wouldn't even help with the children's medical bills. I never would have imagined he could act like that. A lawyer will help you make reasonable decisions.

I know 2 things: 
1. My ex is a stranger to me. I never really knew him.
2. Do not expect a coming out spouse to act reasonably. They mostly seem to go into a downward spiral when first coming out after decades of hiding. That is a pattern that shows up too often. I am convinced that lying to one's self and others for decades changes the brain. Do not assume you are dealing with a healthy, reasonable person. 5 years after disclosure, my ex now sometimes acts reasonably. However, it has become clear to me that he really doesn't care about me and hardly knows our children. In fact, he moved almost 4 hours away, choosing to be with his boyfriend, instead of near his own children! He was only physically present in our marriage. Mentally, he never truly wanted to be there. 

This network was the only place where anyone understood what I was going through. I am better off becau

Support » Looking for support/advice regarding divorce » November 14, 2020 8:38 pm

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Just as so many others say here: our friends and I thought we had a wonderful marriage. My spouse did not just cheerfully and clearly come out one day. He came out a little, went back in, gaslighted, lied to himself, lied to me. Acted horrible, said inconsistent things. Did the "honeymoon phase" thing, which gave me false hope. I'd hope the marriage could work, then realize it was a mess, then hope again, then be confused again. He decided he wasn't really gay at all. This was a long struggle. When I finally realized that he was gay, I started telling him that. He would scream and yell and tell me to stop saying that word ("gay") to him.  I even once said, "If you're even 1% attracted to women, we can make this work." I find that to be a delusional and strange sentence now, but I really thought that for a time. I realized that I knew he was gay, whether he ever said those words or not.

I was hanging onto a marriage I thought we had, until I realized that our marriage was never based on true 100% knowing of each other. That's not a marriage. To me, a marriage should be truly knowing and truly loving. I never knew him at all. On top of that, he was never himself with me. That is no kind of marriage. One of the biggest reasons I finally ended the marriage was for my children. I did Not want them to think their parents had a healthy marriage, when we didn't. It wasn't based in truth.

This has not been easy. The financial struggle has been hard. Being a single mother has been hard, but I am proud of myself and my children. We know the truth and are healing. I will say that my youngest has had the easiest time with his father. He was lied to for a shorter time. My children know the truth. I respect them too much to not tell them the truth. It has helped in their healing.

I hoped he would "pick me; pick us"...until I realized I knew what I had to do. I could not wait for a person in denial to decide my future or my children's future. One of us had to see clearly. A GID

Support » Looking for support/advice regarding divorce » November 14, 2020 10:45 am

jkpeace
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Hi janett747,

I am about 5 years farther along in my journey and have read enough on this site to know that the behaviors from a coming out GID spouse follow patterns. I was married 24 years and had 5 children with my ex. The downward spiral that accompanies coming out after being GID causes horrible trauma for the straight spouse and any children. Here is what I've learned:

I should have listened to myself. I had instincts of what I should do when my GID ex-spouse said, "I have same sex attraction." I didn't listen to myself.  Instead, I grasped at straws: I tried couples counseling which caused more trauma (to myself and my children). I tried to figure out how we could still stay married.  I joined a site for couples that stay together post-disclosure. It seems so very clear now: a marriage between a straight person and a gay person is not a marriage. Of course, that is completely unclear during the shock phase of first realizing that your spouse is GID. Had I recognized the patterns and listened to my instincts, I could have avoided further horrid trauma for myself and my sweet children and begun the healing process sooner.

A GID person does not love themselves as they are, 100%. If they did, they would not be in denial. They might or might not choose to stay in the closet, but they would stop being in denial and dishonest with a straight spouse. A GID person is incapable of selfless, honest love in a marriage.  A GID person learns to lie at such a level that they believe it themselves. This makes the marriage based on a lie.

Just as the behaviors of the GID person follow patterns, so do the behaviors of the straight spouse. Please, consider going back and rereading what you wrote here. If you highlight the portions of what you just wrote, I think you might see that you are very close to making a decision. I think you know for yourself the answers to all the questions you wrote in your post here. 

Support » Some days feel kind of bad » August 6, 2020 11:38 pm

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OOHC, I like the notion of a seesaw. That feels less volatile than the violent rollercoaster on which we all start. A seesaw seems easier to manage and less dangerous. Insights sure do feel enlightening. The more insights I have, often brought to light by people on this board, the more empowered I feel. It takes a lot of introspection and self-nurturing to make progress, but it's worth it.

MJM017,
Congratulations on your studies. Pat yourself on the back. Regarding the pain that feels like it won't pass: It will pass, but only with patience, taking one breath at a time, and doing the best you can to do something to take care of yourself...even just a walk, gardening, sitting by a quiet candle. Sitting by a candle takes no energy. I used to sit in the dark and listen to whatever music I needed at the time.

I've mentioned before on here a tip that I was once told: Set a timer for your tears. It worked for me! I would set a timer for about 15 minutes to cry inconsolably; I had to tell myself to stop when the timer went off. A counselor taught me that trick. If I didn't set a timer, I couldn't stop the downward spiral.

A counselor taught me that trick. She likened it to letting a bit of air and pressure out of a balloon...just enough to feel a little less horrible. I used to set an awful lot of timers. It gets better, but I know about the days where it feels like it will never get better. Allow yourself to feel those feelings, and then allow them to pass when it gets to be too much to manage. I hope you get a better day very soon. Keep writing here.

General Discussion » In-person reaction to ex-spouse » July 27, 2020 5:39 pm

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Longwayhome: You mentioned that you feel "much of the fog has lifted." My timeline was similar: I barely remember anything from the first 11-12 months post disclosure. I remember shocking behaviors of my ex, but I don't remember anything of everyday life with my children. They call it, "The year that Mom can't remember."

I'm 5 years post-disclosure now. As many here have mentioned, the rollercoaster ride continues and tidal waves keep coming, but they sometimes start getting smaller and farther apart. I hope you feel progress as you forge ahead. I still have work to do on myself, but I'm certainly far better off than I was 5 years ago. Honestly, I don't know how any of us make it through those early stages. All the best to you.

General Discussion » In-person reaction to ex-spouse » July 27, 2020 5:20 pm

jkpeace
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OOHC: I don't feel hijacked. No worries!

General Discussion » In-person reaction to ex-spouse » July 26, 2020 1:10 pm

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OOHC...My first thought to your posts is, "Holy Cow! She hit the nail on the head...again."

You have made so many points that are enlightening to me. I won't repeat your points, as you express yourself much better than I. Being able to see something that makes sense to me, in writing, is invaluable to me. You are truly gifted with written expression, along with insights that only another straight spouse might have. I am going to print your responses. They are already helping me, and I will continue to reread. Thank you from the bottom of my healing heart.

General Discussion » In-person reaction to ex-spouse » July 25, 2020 11:03 pm

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I've been divorced for a few years, now. Here's what I can't quite figure out: Why do I go into a downward spiral, if I see him? I see him only once or twice a year. I avoid seeing him because of these spirals of depression and despair. When he picks up the kids, I don't speak with him. We communicate by text. The kids just meet him in the driveway.

I invited him over to celebrate one of the children's milestones. It was my idea to include him, as I thought that might be nice for my son. The celebration went well, but the next couple of weeks were horrible. I went into a downward spiral of despair. About once or twice a year I try to include my ex in something. These spirals have happened after each in-person encounter. Obviously, it's too soon for me...there has to be a reason for this.

I do think I have PTSD, but I don't know what to do about it. I have so many of the symptoms. I think it has something to do with the shock of knowing that I really don't even know the man to whom I was married for almost 25 years. (He has a boyfriend, now. I actually like the boyfriend, and he is kind to my children).

My ex has been trying to be decent and has been working on his relationships with the children. I would rather be able to see him in person with the children, except I'm wondering why that matters to me. Only my youngest ever mentions that we should do things together; the older kids never mention that, probably because they know it's hard for me.

Has anyone else experienced this? Background: My ex did tell the kids the truth about his GID life and apologized to all of us, when he first came out. He acted horrible for the first couple of years, but he seems a bit better now. I think I just wish I didn't have such a horrible reaction to my children's father, but I do. I'm really wanting to hear from anyone who had a similar reaction. What did your reaction look like, and what did you do about it? Were you ever able to reconfigure a relationship with your ex

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