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Support » 8 years 2 kids now what ? » September 22, 2020 2:32 pm

Julian_Stone
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Dad1st wrote:

 I feel like I have gone bi-polar over night going from angry to sad to just down right depressed in hours.

I think this perfectly encapsulates the straight spouse experience. Seventeen months later, I'm still engaged in that game of emotional ping pong....only a slower version...that's mostly stuck in sad mode.

As others mentioned, you don't need to make any life-changing decisions right now—but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask your wife to stop actively looking for dates until you've separated or have come to some other agreement. I can imagine you must feel like you're being kicked while you're down.
No doubt this is a very confusing and painful time for both of you, but you do not need to accept being treated that way.

Take care of yourself—and post here any time you need to vent! <3

Support » What about consequences? » September 16, 2020 12:55 pm

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JaneWonders wrote:

I read it is emotionally worse when you didn't suspect a thing during your marriage. I can relate. I wish there were any hints for me along the way. I've tried to get any details couple of good time. There is a wall. I feel like I should not be knocking anymore.

Most of us can relate to the pain of feeling like you've invested so much of your life with someone you didn't really know. I wish there were hints, too...so we wouldn't waste so much of our time and energy doing this forensic analysis of our past....and (so often) coming up with nothing.

I think it is human nature to want answers...But, (in my opinion) when there is infidelity involved, I think Chump Lady's advice is best: Accept that they suck and move on...focus on yourself & your children.

(*If you haven't yet discovered www.chumplady.com, I'd highly recommend it...One of our very own straight spouses was featured on the site)

Support » Wife of 20 years is Lesbian » September 10, 2020 4:43 pm

Julian_Stone
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding things...but Guy didn't come here looking for advice on how to make a MOM work. He's accepted that his wife is gay & wants to be with women. They've cried about it; they've unpacked what that means in counseling...He's grieved the marriage. She is actively pursuing other women. 

I understand there are many reasons that couples who find themselves in this situation try to make it work: Age, health, financial, children, platonic love, etc...but it's not typically the default response...and the success rate (specifically with a gay/straight spouse) is not great.

Guy is only 38 years old. He has many more years to find and experience deep romantic love with another...without that intimacy "barrier" he felt for 20 years. So many here have gone on to find it (and shared their stories here.) 

Support » Wife of 20 years is Lesbian » September 10, 2020 12:28 pm

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Just my take, but...
I think Dutchman interpreted Guy's story as someone who's trying to salvage his marriage...whereas the rest of us read the story of a man who is actively grieving his marriage with a woman who has already moved on.

I think Daryl, Taken & others gave great advice on speaking to an attorney. Guy needs to protect his own interests, too...and continue to be the grounded, responsible adult for their child. No doubt this is an incredibly difficult situation for everyone involved...and I don't think it's unreasonable to for Guy to ask his wife to hold off on dating until they're in separate quarters. I can't imagine any emotional Internet affair or Tinder date could be worth hurting your long-time partner. She can wait. 

Support » Advice re 'bi curious' husband. » September 9, 2020 4:20 pm

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Musselburgh wrote:

  Julian - how do you/did you cope on a day-to-day basis once the honeymoon phase ended?  I think I'm like you, in that I don't know how comfortable I'd be accommodating the whole bisexuality 'thing'.  I definitely wouldn't be 'putting it out there'!  And couples counselling would definitely be a no-no (back to the whole 'he's not to blame' thing), though I would find it useful.  Keep in touch x

Hi Muss—The "honeymoon phase" in itself was a bit bi-polar...That's the best way I can describe it. Outwardly, I think things were good...and my husband and I seemed to be making more of an effort in our relationship in general...but inwardly, I would still find myself overwhelmed by various emotions...and I would wake in the middle of the night in tears. I finally got to the point where I had to say enough is enough...and have begun focusing more on my work, hobbies, physical fitness, meditation, which has been helpful. I love my husband, but I hate this feeling like I'm playing a game of Russian roulette.

The anchor that truly keeps me here is our young daughter. My husband didn't treat me the greatest during this "coming out" phase...It was like living with a pod person....and the deceit & dishonesty have really been difficult for me to get over....but I have zero evidence of infidelity (of any sort) and he hasn't asked for an open marriage (I'd dart out like a lightning bolt if he did)...so I stayed. But the more I read about bisexuality (and read the perspective of bisexual men, in particular) the more I think they'd live much more healthy, fulfilling lives with other bisexuals.

 

Support » What do I do now? » September 9, 2020 3:26 pm

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There are certain stories that really stick with me—and this is one of them. Maybe because it was around the same time the bi bomb dropped on me....and I remember that wavering between hopefulness & despair.
Do you still come around here, Chalizbet? Wondering how things are for you nearly 1 1/2 years later. <3

Support » What about consequences? » September 8, 2020 4:32 pm

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I do think the straight spouse who finds him/herself entangled in this mess should be able to have the marriage annulled (if that's what they desire)....and be exempt from paying spousal support, of course.

I also think the "straight spouse" needs to heard...and our stories need to become more mainstream...If for any other reason than to give a voice to the collateral damage (so many of us) of homophobia and the harmful beliefs that perpetuate the closet & the deceit. That is not to excuse our partners for deceiving us...[It's cruel...and there is no excuse for that], but I long for the day when everyone is able to live & love freely...and accept themselves....so one day there will be less and less of us. God, I hope so much for that...My heart aches every time I see "new registered users" here.

Strategies for MOM's » Almost all my stress related to being in a MOM (bi husband)... » September 3, 2020 11:47 am

Julian_Stone
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For me, it's not so much media and external sources as it is the dishonesty.

Trust, honesty & respect are critical to any healthy, successful relationship. They're the foundation, right?
So finding out my partner kept this big piece of his identity from me for years has been really difficult for me. The fact that I wasn't even the first person he told (He contacted a gay friend from his childhood who he'd not spoken to in about 15 years) is even more difficult for me to get over....the idea that someone else I'd never even met knew (for weeks) that my world was about to be turned upside down...I'm having such a hard time with that.

In the end, I don't think it's the orientation that poses a big problem for me as much as it is the dishonesty...and feeling so incredibly disrespected. In my case, there was a lot of deflecting and blame-shifting, too...and a complete lack of empathy. 

He didn't ask for an open marriage...nor did I find any evidence of infidelity (I would definitely not have stayed if either of those things happened)...but I live with this anxiety that was completely unknown to me just 16 months ago. And since I keep it to myself (except for when I post in here)...I feel in some ways like I am in the closet now...and it's a really awful feeling. 

Support » Advice re 'bi curious' husband. » August 31, 2020 2:11 pm

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So sorry you've found yourself here. My husband did the blame-shifting, too...big time. I didn't even find any evidence in my case. He told me he is bisexual his 35th birthday. I did not take it (being deceived for years) well to say the least. 

It was such a confusing time...I didn't know which end was up. During one of our counseling sessions, the therapist looked at me and said: "You know you didn't cause this, right?" (his bisexuality) Couples counseling (in my case) was a really expensive cryfest. My husband, on the other hand, was stone cold....emotionless & 100% unapologetic for keeping this from me. I hardly even recognized the guy sitting just inches away from me on that couch. Even though he's pretty much done a 180 since then, I have a bit of PTSD from those first few weeks.

We are OK now (on the surface), but as OOTC pointed out: You have to be willing to live in a state of always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Is his same-sex attraction going to continue to grow...to the point that he's hardly attracted to me anymore? Is he going to ask for an open relationship
 (which I am vehemently opposed to)[color=#454545], so he can explore the gay side? Is he going to ditch me and live his "authentic life" once his ultra-conservative father passes away...or when our child is old enough to understand what's going on? What else is he hiding from me? Is he irritable because he's "bi-cycling" toward men now? Does he ever think about men when we have sex? Will he resent me? Is his mental health going to severely decline if I keep him shackled to a monogamous/hetero life? (since suicidal ideation is common among bisexuals)

This is just a glimpse into my own internal monologue.

I'm only 16 months into this...so, maybe it will get better in time...but this is my life now. 

We went through a bit of a "honeymoon" phase in the beginning, which lasted

Support » He finally admitted he’s Gay » August 28, 2020 10:19 pm

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My husband told me he's bisexual a little over a year ago (9 years & one 3-year-old child into our relationship).

It's stories like yours (which are far too easy to find, sadly) that give me tremendous anxiety. While I'm happy a little weight was lifted off his shoulders (at least, I think it has), it's definitely taken a toll on my mental health to the point that I sometimes wish he would have come out as gay instead. (I know that's horrible...and I know there are many on here that would have given anything for their spouse to have come out as bi instead of gay...so I feel horrible for saying/thinking that).

When I would read stories about married celebrities "coming out," there was always a part of me that thought: "How could she not have known?" Reading the stories here (and in other forums), I now often think "Why would she have ever suspected he's non-straight?" Many of the straight spouses have children and (had) active sex lives, so how would they have known without finding evidence of some sort? I certainly had zero clues about my husband's same-sex attraction. In couples therapy, he said he'd been unhappy for 6 (!!) years...and that he was going to ask for a separation years ago. Six years ago, we were childless, carefree, traveled often, and went to hotels on weekends just for fun. I would have been just as blindsided then as I was the night the bi bomb dropped.

My point is: I think our spouses become expert performance artists (naturally...because they've felt like they've had to hide a part of their identity their whole lives). And from my reading of others' experiences (particularly on subreddits geared toward bisexual men), it seems like the same-sex attraction gets stronger with age. Even my husband (who has provided very little insight into his bisexuality) admitted that when we met, he was about 90/10% (women/men)...but now he's closer to 70/30% (women/men). I fear what will happen when it's 50/50, 40/60, 10/90. This is (of course) a highl

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