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General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 15, 2020 11:47 am

Someone asked about gay music and some named Madonna and other names as example so I honestly did not think specifically Prince and Grey's Anatomy will be taken differently. I was not intend to profile anything at all. When I searched a lot about my GH a while ago, I read some article that saying some TV shows as signs or the entry to a gay world. I should've educated myself first. I'm sorry, hope you understand my true intention.

I apologize for making you feel uncomfortable..

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 15, 2020 8:37 am

MJM017 wrote:

Leslie77 wrote:

This is probably a stupid question but one I can't stop thinking about. 

Is there such a thing as gay music?   I read somewhere once that there was a connection - many gay men like Cher, Madonna, and some other singers.  

Yes, there are gay icons (Cher, Madonna, Judy Garland) and those who are gay. It’s a great question. People identify with music viscerally. You don’t know why you like some genres or acts over others but you do. Maybe I’m reading too much into this - if you’re gay you identify with those who accept you.

If a guy is in the closet, he will never admit to liking these people. My GIDXH ridiculed these gay musical icons.

Uh huh thought also Prince. And I believe there're even TV shows that are iconic for gay people. I think I heard that they tend to watch Grey's Anatomy or something. lol

Support » What is best for the kids??? » February 15, 2020 4:43 am

Wow...I couldn't resist commenting on your subject it is SO familiar with something I'm going through right now. Unfortunately I don't personally have any helpful answers yet because I'm still in the middle of it all struggling with what kind of boundaries or agreement I need to set between me and my soon-to-be EGH. He does mostly the same thing when they're around my kids, 7 year old son & 6 year old daughter.

He continuously lied and betrayed me and never really think it was such a bad thing and he always talked to me as if I was the problem, I was the cause of all these stress he was experiencing blah blah blah. I'm sure you've been treated something similar as mine too.

I wanted to shift this marriage relationship to the reliable & trustworthy friendship so that will make things easier to communicate and support each other on being a good parents for our kids. We talked and agreed on that and I was aware that also requires a lot of efforts, well it was obviously only me that was taking that conversation seriously. He thinks he can get the fun part with the kids with NO efforts put in his own actions. So he kept lying. Now I don't trust him ever again, and I don't see him keeping any of his words even if he come to agreement on parenting. So that is making things harder to decide or start negotiating with him with the conditions. So I do feel how you feel....it is such a pain in the ass!

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 14, 2020 9:20 am

JoeC wrote:

It is so frustrating when I hear it....
"I always thought she was gay"  "There was always something about her"
"She did seem a little on the sporty tomboy side of things"
"O I knew this for a long time" and the worst..... "How didn't you know"

Then I go down the anger hole of "why didn't anyone tell me!" 
Also, having any future women I am interested in meet a few of my closest friends so my friends can get a gut check about her as well.

I'm sorry I can only imagine how frustrating it must be. I had some natural behavior of my ex's that was a bit too feminine for a guy but those are something I finally see clearly when I "look back" those moments that didn't fully click in my gut. So did my friends, they're now realizing some weird movement just like your friends. 
I guess it's really hard to see those signs as actual warning signs when we're loving someone. I was definitely blinded, maybe I tried not to look at it at some point. No one got married imagining if we ever have to doubt the love we were getting from the one we loved, doesn't have the same exact meaning like ours.

Love is blind........how well said is that lol.

But now you know you got many good/trusted detectives who can work with you. Like you said, just bring the new face and have them observe investigate which I think that's pretty positive breeze ;)

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 14, 2020 8:25 am

IgnoranceWasBliss wrote:

In my experience especially looking back I have to say if they are extremely homophobic! I had never been around someone in my entire life as homophobic as my Gay Ex. Now I know this red flag!

Oh em geeee YES!!!! I can't agree with you more!! I was never really against gay people before I married my GEH too. Soon after we're married, I was surprised how much he HATED gay people like it's wrong in God's eyes or it's the society doing that, or they're just being gay for fashion blah blah blah it was crazy!
So yes, I think that is something I guess I can look out for in future "if" I ever meet somebody.

Thank you for reminding everybody that, that was a good example of red flags as well!

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 12, 2020 9:31 pm

Whirligig wrote:

I think your 'instinct' or gut feelings can be pretty accurate. You get those feelings for a reason. I would suggest not talking yourself out of them.
I also look for consistency. Do they act in congruence with what they say? This takes time but I'm all about 'Verify, then trust' now.
I don't plan to date again because I tend to be bad at this with people I like but I've improved and have been applying it to my platonic relationships.

YEESSS I agree with you a lot! I think our instincts are always there and built in as our life skills for a reason. And the consistency, yes. I've always hated seeing my husband so not consistent with what he told me and what he actually did, which lead to lying.

Lol I am not good at people I like either, I feel like I'm too straightforward or honest or something. So I am happy for you that you're able to establish some platonic relationship that makes you happy and recovering. Will see what my future holds for me...

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 12, 2020 8:54 pm

Thank you so much everyone for sharing your thoughts. 

You know, like all the basic things we can obviously tell if they're gay or not, I believe those obvious basic signs won't work with most of us now. And it's because we're all betrayed, lied to, disrespected, and tricked our mind for a long time.

Now it is extra harder to simply just fall in love with someone because we all know that people answering our questions doesn't neseccarily mean they are honest with us. We never know if people are speaking & showing their truth because our gay husband/wife had showed us human's capability. That's when I start feeling stuck in this dark, negative loop of not able to trust anybody. And I believe this applys to any type of situations.

Plus I've heard this study or something many times, saying that the most gay people have their parents divorced and that not having their father is huge bottom rock for them to become gay. Speaking of the devil, my husband's parents were divorced, his father is such an asshole who is "never wanna put any efforts from himself but always expect it from people" type of guy. When I think of this and the fact that the couple who gets divorce is keep increasing in today's world, does that mean.....if that's true, men on this earth will eventually all turn into gay?!

I'm still in the beginning of the process of getting divorce, so I'm not talking about finding someone right now. I have so many other things that I want to focus on for myself & my children. Eventually I hope there's a guy who is meant to be with me out there somewhere but right now, I'm just grateful that I'm finally out of my soon-to-be EGH's closet nightmares and not dragged into it!

I read that some of you have dated or been dating significant others right now after this traumatic life event. How does it feel like? Can you feel the absolute differences with how you've been treated from them? What was it like to start dating again?

Hope to hear your story I don't wanna feel

General Discussion » How to detect guys if they're gay or straight...?! » February 12, 2020 8:35 am

Okay now I know for sure my husband is gay and he finally accepted, and for the people who made a decision of getting divorce...

How are we supposed to "know" if the guys we run into in future is either gay or straight?!?
Which it is making me harder to even believe there're any straight men left on this earth!
Feels like every men are gay now. No straight, or all the straight men aren't available or something.
Feels like my perception has completely collapsed and can't be confident with my own judgement that I would never end up with a gay man all over again.

As much as I hope to meet somebody when I'm ready, who can actually treat me like the way I was supposed to be treated from the guy I married to, who turned out to be gay. I don't know....I'm not confident if I can find straight man that I meant to be with.

What kind of signs do you guys spot in those who are gay but pretending as a straight men??
I feel like the world is so messed up, or I'm totally messed up in a head now with trauma even to judge the truth in people.
Is it really just a "listen to our instinct" left for us to really know??

Support » It Isn't Really About Being Gay... » February 4, 2020 9:11 am

I wrote a little bit of my story in general discussion couple days ago but I'm writing this as a diary wishing it could relate to somebody as well.
My husband finally accepted that his so called "curiosity" or "sexual desire" or "tendency", wasn't just a phase, but because him being gay, after 2 and half years from his first confession. It has been nothing but hell for me those years dealing with his same sex attractions and denial times. He was also pretty good at manipulating my mind & emotions by gaslighting, lying about every little things. I believe he does have a narcissistic behavior without him knowing and I know he'd flip all over me saying that how dare I even think he is a narcissist. 

Even through all those lies he'd ever told to my face, went behind my back, I'd say I'd done pretty much everything I can to save my marriage in any way possible I could think of at that moment. I tried compliment him. I tried to take him on a date. I dropped off to bring him a lunch with a small little love letter hidden inside. I tried to focus on myself and take care of myself for him to notice me. I tried to surprise him. I tried to smile more even tho he continuously lied to me. I applied and attended to school for achieving license, thinking he'd then maybe adore me...

I've tried everything I thought I could possibly do to repair marriage and move us somewhere brighter instead of just running away from this darkness. Well, it was all for nothing. That won't change husband's behavior, or ideas of next excuses, or another lies to tell. Actually no, I wouldn't tell myself it was all for nothing because it meant something deep at least for me. I did what I could do for this marriage that I swore to God I'd spend the rest of my life until the death do us apart. And I'm proud of myself that I've done and tried as much possible as I could.

Now that I see more ugly side of my soon-to-be ex husband after we came to the agreement of getting divorce. My GH told me before our

General Discussion » Difficulty of co-parenting... » February 2, 2020 8:48 pm

I've heard my husband's first confession back in 2017 summer. We're international marriage couple between the states and Tokyo, Japan. We've been married 8 years now and recently decided to getting divorce.
When my husband first came out, he was still at the stage of "I may be just curious what it's like to be on the other side." so he was asking me if I'm okay with him go explore with other men to connect mentally physically. I thought it was such a disrespecting question to ask because we have been sexless, he was already gaslighting me a lot that time. But I respected and made my answer..."I think it is necessary for you to go out there and explore if you are truly gay or not. But I cannot sit still and watch my husband goes and having sex with some other men and connect with them other than me. It hurts me way too much so I need to go back home with the kids". I was ready to go back home at heart, knowing it's going to suffer my life knowing my loved one is looking to connect with someone else.

My husband stopped me from going back home by saying "This is just some type of stage and this gay friend that I've been spending time with is helping me out not to go that direction so I think I'll be okay. I didn't know you cared for me that deeply". This didn't make ANY sense by the way, he insisted that he is a good friend who turned out to be gay. But by the time, I didn't buy it at all because I was aware that my husband had been deleting his texts and every info of him. And of course ever since he said that, my husband was just full of lies after lies which suffered me until today. Claiming he is still at the school, there he was at this gay friend's house, spent every weekend with him saying he's gonna help him with his house etc, said gonna do homework and he was off to gay bar as if the Uber driver "automatically" drove him there, sneaking to watch gay porn many times, went gay online hookup site to meet people who is also "curious", send & receive d$ck pics t

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