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General Discussion » Reality has been cancelled » August 11, 2020 5:45 pm

Lyonene
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"It is not about being fair"

My use of the word fair is in conveying how I feel about you getting a societal kick while you're already down.

General Discussion » Reality has been cancelled » August 11, 2020 1:23 pm

Lyonene
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"It was as though our respective positions on the intersectional chart of victimhood meant that I was at fault no matter how much she lied and bullied me and others."

It's not fair, is it? Society has made a great misstep in ordering victims. We used to freely understand that those betrayed, lied to, used, abused, were the victims. Now it's believed that society is the great victimizer by virtue of nothing but supposition, and that's all that matters.

"Do I have to be sorry for being a straight white male because women, gay, trans, and people of color experience personal pain?  Does their pain lessen my own because of my 'privilege' of being a straight white male?"

Definitely not. There are those of us out here that still know actual from fantasy constructed victim. Checking ones "privilege" in the midst of actual abuse is a repulsive dismissal based on some loony projection of personal guilt by the person that says it. It's a profoundly ridiculous trope made purely to shutdown the speaker. "Check your privilege" translates to "shut-up and drink the Kool-aid".

I'm so sorry you're experiencing this, Vic. I positively understand where you're coming from on this.

General Discussion » Reality has been cancelled » August 9, 2020 1:18 pm

Lyonene
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TwistingInTheWind,

Exactly. I linked this article as it seems to speak to what so many of us deal with. Reality has been supplanted by a feeling, idea, or fantasy by spouses in so many of our cases.

There's been an explosion in our society of identity adoption. Identity that is counter to lived realities. Along with this identity explosion has come the societal explosion in the form of enabling, unquestioning support, coming out celebrations, shaming straight people for questioning the new identities, strict affirmation counselling, hormones and surgeries, the list is immense. I can't even begin to cover it it's so large.

This article really resonated with me on two levels - personal and societal.

General Discussion » The link between being a straight spouse and sexual abuse in childhood » July 30, 2020 12:07 pm

Lyonene
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"there is a 4x higher than national average exposure to childhood sexual abuse"

I have never experienced sexual abuse, but my father was a physically/mentally/emotionally abusive raging alcoholic.

Perhaps there's a link with abuse in general? I really don't know. Just throwing it out there.  

Support » New to group, spouse MTF transgender » July 30, 2020 12:01 pm

Lyonene
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"I find a lot of this rhetoric (and the resources shared by Out of His Closet) to be extremely transexclusionary"

We aren't here to center trans. We are here to center straight spouses. What you are labeling as "rhetoric" are people's lived experiences. I find the term extremely insulting to the members you have used it against.

 "I also think that it is a good practice to get in the habit of being able to share your story without projecting it onto someone else's experience"

Projecting did not occur. Recognition of words like "may" "might" or "could" are key in understanding the differences between projection and explaining possibility.

"I came here seeking support and an ear to vent and to hear other experiences"

That is what you received, however, you have seen fit to label these experiences that you claim you want to hear as "rhetoric" and worse.

"people who d are trying to convince others that their experience will be the same, using fear tactics under the guise of experience and understanding, and essentially asserting that all trans spouses behave the same way."

Now people's lived experiences are "tactics" and a "guise" for some agenda.

"I do know in my gut that this is not a helpful online space for me"

Your journey will play out as it does. Whether this forum could or could not be a helpful space for you is as yet undetermined. What isn't helpful to any support forum is expecting the inhabitors of said place to conform to a preconceived notion that you have as to what defines "helpful", and when you deem it not conforming to your preconceived notion of "helpful", labeling it as "rhetoric" "projection" "guise" and "tactics".

Your scold post in order to dismiss and condemn the lived experiences of these ladies is some serious high-handed bullshit and is in no way considerate of what they have gone through and cont

Is He/She Gay » Please Help...I am really thinking I must be crazy..I may be wrong. » July 29, 2020 3:01 pm

Lyonene
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Hi Jo,

I noticed that this hasn't been addressed in a few days and thought I would reach out with a possible explanation why - I'm not really seeing anything here that says gay to me. Jerk, yes, but gay jerk, not necessarily.

Can you perhaps flesh out what makes you think gay? Was there gay porn? Craigslist cruising on gay/m4m ads? Receipts from bathhouses/adult bookstores/websites for items that might lead you to believe that? Memberships to Grindr or Scruff? You mention "How to buy and use a cock ring ..Male toys for men", but this can easily be masturbation aids for an older man, not necessarily a gay hook-up thing.

Is there anything that you could tell us to allow us a better understanding so we might help you? I'm feeling like you're not getting a response here because we're not quite sure what to respond to, but we genuinely would like to help.

Best to you.

General Discussion » LGBT ... Q? » July 10, 2020 12:03 pm

Lyonene
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"I don't agree that allowing trans women to use our bathrooms will lead to sexual assaults.  I think men who want to dress up as female and get in there to commit assaults, are going to do it regardless of what the "rules" are."

I used to think that too. Unfortunately, it's not the reality in a lot of cases. What activists are demanding is that anyone that claims to be trans is trans. It cannot be questioned. There is no hormone treatment or surgery necessary, merely their self ID. While I fully believe that not all are a danger, the percentage of actual dysphoric individuals vs individuals with paraphilias is small. Removing women's rights to question, and legalizing any man to enter women's spaces, endangers women and the children who use women's spaces.

Activists claim that assaults will happen regardless, and I'll agree that's true, however, a quick google search will tell you how many times since this activism started men have flat out used it as a way to invade women's spaces for their sexual purposes.

My friend Miranda explains it best (Mir is a transsexual btw for context).
https://mirandayardley.com/en/girl-dick-the-cotton-ceiling-and-the-cultural-war-on-lesbians-girls-and-women/

His address to Parliament.
https://mirandayardley.com/en/how-transgender-became-the-new-black-presentation-in-parliament-on-31-october-2017/

For the record, Mir is welcome in the bathroom with me anytime. A sane man who knows he's a man with the problem of dysphoria and not a fetishist. There's the rub I suppose - the difference between a man that has sexualized woman and womanface, vs a man that has not.

General Discussion » LGBT ... Q? » July 10, 2020 10:40 am

Lyonene
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"Pretty squishy"

Very squishy.

A socialist pansexual furry teen girl = queer.
A marxist crossdressing hetero man = queer
Literally anything I dream up can fall under the queer umbrella.

Here's a nicely condensed explanation:
"Queer theory’s origin is hard to clearly define, since it came from multiple critical and cultural contexts, including feminism, post-structuralist theory, radical movements of people of color, the gay and lesbian movements, AIDS, many sexual subcultural practices such as sadomasochism, and postcolonialism.

Queer theory as an academic tool came about in part from gender and sexuality studies that in turn had their origins from lesbians and gay studies and feminist theory. It is a much newer theory, in that it was established in the 1990s, and contests many of the set ideas of the more established fields it comes from by challenging the notion of defined and finite identity categories, as well as the norms that create a binary of good versus bad sexualities. Queer theorists contention is that there is no set normal, only changing norms that people may or may not fit into, making queer theorists’ main challenge to disrupt binaries in hopes that this will destroy difference as well as inequality."


Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, and Judith Butler are a few of the primary foundation shapers of queer theory.

Interesting to me is that one and all also either advocate for child sexuality with adults or are of the opinion that it is "up to the child".

James Lindsey:
[color=#000080]"This seems like it's coming out of nowhere, but it's based in a conversation I had with someone earlier explaining an important aspect of Woke culture that many of us perceive but few understand. One of the targets that Woke culture wants to dismantle is the innocence of children

The most obvious way Wokeness goes after the innocence of children is in the Queer variant of trans activism, espec

General Discussion » LGBT ... Q? » July 9, 2020 6:47 pm

Lyonene
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"Is there nothing we can do? Nothing? Can we rise up against it? Can we stand up as women against it? There are many valid reasons to stand against this?"

A lot of us do, but there always needs to be more. More women, more voices. Women only spaces (bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, positions on councils, boards, politics) are being usurped. Men in dresses are counting as women filling positions so that women are actually losing out in getting positions in corporations and politics.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/oaxaca-candidates-arent-transgender-after-all/
https://patch.com/new-jersey/newarknj/transgender-woman-will-lead-gender-studies-program-rutgers
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43962349
Girl organizations like GirlGuiding in the UK are being altered to accommodate male children who ID as girls, and men as leaders who ID as women.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45642054
Both gold and silver in 100m girls’ dash in Connecticut went to natal males. This is an ongoing court saga now. Meanwhile the actual girls missed wins and possible scholarships.
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/connecticut-transgender-policy-found-to-violate-title-ix/2278511/
Swimming competitions in some states, and university athletics in Canada, have switched to self-ID.
Rhys/Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy, became a women’s world champion in a cycling competition. When the third-placed female cyclist complained that a natal male had an unfair advantage, McKinnon called her a transphobe.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/by-winning-a-canadian-transgender-cyclist-fans-flames-of-gender-politics

Stephen Terence Wood/Karen White, a self-identified trans with a record of sexual offences against women, was placed in a women’s pris[color=#191919]on in Britain—and promptly assaulted several other prisoners.
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