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General Discussion » " many (if not most) straight spouses are LGBTQ allies " » December 8, 2024 11:57 pm

clintonia
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I think the term "ally" is politically charged, so I would not call myself an ally. I would prefer a term exist that encompassed the needs and concerns of all orientations at once, vis a vis the golden rule. If it is only considering the needs of certain "identities" of people, it is biased. I think my reason for not being an "ally" is quite similar to many people's (including other posts above) fundamental reason for being an ally. I don't like the sectioning off of groups of people in opposition to others (in this case, cis-gender). This is why extremism and stretching the boundaries of actions and thought have led to the absurd in many cases today. It also allows those who've been violent and abusive in extreme ways to be patted on the back rather than receive due justice. Balance considers all groups equally, and the LGBTQ+ movement very much goes against that. Basically, I think the term "ally" is poor because in my opinion it and the movement it supports oppose the golden rule and ensures violence/violent people can live and do freely under the radar. I align strongly with Anon2222's first response.

I haven't logged into this forum in over a year, but this exact topic was bugging me today. When will justice come? When will equality actually exist?

I still have a barrier in calling people trusted friends when they blindly support this movement without question or thought about the destruction of cis-gender people's lives, or thought about angles of viewing such situations apart from the marketed message. Because of this, I distanced myself from a lot of people in my life years ago.

It's also a shame there's a clear ban on funding much of anything that truly acknowledges the straight partner's lived experience. That is probably a large reason there's blind support of the movement and animosity when people say they have qualifications about it. A good part is ignorance-- assuming people actually generally would support the golden rule. If they knew, they would

General Discussion » Do you believe they were attracted to you? » August 8, 2023 11:11 pm

clintonia
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Rob wrote:

She considered herself the victim.....There are few people in the world I consider more evil than my GX..murderers? Violent criminals?..but even those at least you know who they are to avoid them.

So I'm not the only person who feels this way. Should be in the same category as the above plus rapists to me. This is a substantial part of the reason I perceive the Pride movement to be notably facilitating violence. If people don't know or acknowledge it head on, they participate in its continuation, in letting people who are horribly abusive slide (or promoting them). Another contributor to an unsafe world. When will the people who've been abused get that safety? You "know who the [criminals] are" because there are laws to protect others from them-- now. The world is certainly less safe when people intentionally choose not to stand against those who are inhuman to others. There should be better laws in place to protect those who speak up, when the rest of the world won't see interpersonal abuse. But people in general should also be supportive against this type of violence, and in my experience, they prefer to ignore or negate it, 100% in solidarity with the abusive partner.
 

General Discussion » Patterns, WhatsApp messaging » May 9, 2023 11:08 pm

clintonia
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Canary2 wrote:

Strange shit would happen to this man ALL THE TIME....
Seems like a bottomless pit of lies.

Hahah, yikes. Sounds like you made the right decision.

I wonder where people like this can develop maintained satisfaction. If you start learning to cover up early, you can be good at lying, but if you're lying in every area of your life, it seems like you'd need to be at a running pace just to maintain. Where will it end for him? And what effect on the son? Could the son's introversion (or apparent introversion) be an effect/result of his father...? ("Half the activities he does with his kid"-- does his kid have a choice in these matters? It seems like the son might know....)
 

General Discussion » The lighter side - after 4 and a half years » May 9, 2023 10:53 pm

clintonia
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Surviving, you sound so strong! I think you've found a great approach to dealing with this, if one has the skin for it. It's nice to hear that what is so ridiculous did make you laugh. Laughter should be advocated more as a response (if not directly to the other party).

Walkbymyself, "He said, 'if it weren't for me, you would be living in a one bedroom apartment.'" Wow. It's a good reminder that people's perspectives and sense of 'normal' can be wildly different. Yikes! Putting aside the orientation and lying issues, he sounds highly materialistic and high maintenance.

General Discussion » Inception » May 9, 2023 10:37 pm

clintonia
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"I even started to miss my old life because what I thought was so perfect and real." You want to go back to the dream state-- where the laws of physics don't apply-- which is what Inception was. I like your simile.   Who wouldn't be tempted to return to beauty and perfection if given the chance, so long as it's real? The problem is that it was crafted to be perfect with lies and is a dangerous place. (I also remember the joy I felt for years when I was ignorant of reality.)

"This trauma feels like someone stole my dreams of a happy marriage and life." I agree. I think it changes one's outlook entirely. I still wonder if it's possible to rekindle those boundless dreams....?
If you haven't experienced it, you don't understand how reverberating an impact the deception has on others-- I wish more people recognized this.

I visited a PostSecret.org museum exhibit a few weeks ago, and these entries now remind me of it. Raw truth of things we don't feel we can voice publicly, but can share with certain others online. These snippets seem more artistic now.

General Discussion » Why did my closeted ex wife have kids with me? » April 16, 2023 1:32 pm

clintonia
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Blue Bear wrote:

I'm convinced that in-denial people who perpetrate this type of hideous fraud have a fundamental personality disorder, usually narcissism with a sprinkling of sociopathy.  At many levels, they are fundamentally uncomfortable with themselves because of family, religious or societal homophobic views.  They are fundamentally uncomfortable with themselves, and they try to fake a heteronormative life.  They are actors on the stage of life, and we are their unwitting co-stars in a play that only they know they are staging.  And unfortunately, not even the best actor can prevent themselves from breaking character on that stage.

They have no excuse for doing this.  They could have chosen many other paths -- staying single, staying in the closet, moving somewhere with more accepting LGBT+ views.  Choosing to perpetrate this kind of fraud requires a massive psychological defect.
 

I'd say this is pretty accurate and well-said, except that fraud can be perpetrated under all of these three paths anyway, and usually is to get them into such a situation. They were singe once and deceptive to get into the relationship; they may live an an LGBTQ-friendly area and be deceptive; and staying in the closet impacts the deceived partner as well. The one path they could have taken to avoid this is to be honest with those in their lives and realize their orientation, thoughts and actions impact others. 

This forum focuses a lot on straight ex-spouses, but it should be recognized that deep deception starts far earlier. For me, the deception of the person who was the center of my life in childhood and young adulthood obliterated my positivity and hopefulness about marriage by my early 20s. I've never gotten over it. The trauma doesn't have to be linked to being married and having children. It's more fundamentally about massive psychological and emotional deception from the person/people who are foundational to a person's life at any age.

I agree that no on

General Discussion » Disillusioned » February 20, 2023 1:13 am

clintonia
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I don't have a profound answer, Anon, but I just wanted to say I see your post and your view and experience matters. Your expressing it matters, even if it a limited circle sees it. We need more people to share their experiences so eventually, someday, the general public recognizes the depth of harm to the straight person.

I can empathize with several of the things you've said. Many times in the past 8-9 years I've felt total depression and great fear and suffocation from a culture I can't escape for heavily supporting someone (and others) who perpetrate acute harm, and for provide excuses for and idealization of those people. Those third-parties not seeing or being willing to speak about the wrongs of the individual or their own contribution to violence. In short, I think it's narcissistic and silly in general to believe "love wins" or that good has triumphed, regardless of one's orientation. It's a perpetuation of humans being what we have always been. (Possibly a psychological trick-- blindness and/or bias based in the ego.)

I've gotten to a point of severe depression and burnout at times, and a point of thinking people are bad (particularly related to the the idea that we are at an enlightened point in supporting individual minorities who've been blatantly cruel and selfish most of their lives). At this point, my conclusion is somewhat bland. I can relate to this:

"I miss the old me. I was naïve as hell....but that me had a passion for life and wanted to make the world a better place. I believed in true love. I believed I had a purpose in life. I had dreams, aspirations and plans. Now I just have an empty shell left that is listless, disillusioned".

Except I wouldn't say I was naïve-- I was intentionally and directly lied to, misled, and emotionally abused by someone who turned out to be irresponsible, completely disregarding of the people he made closest in his life, and selfish.

Perhaps you should give your

General Discussion » 2023 » January 1, 2023 4:00 pm

clintonia
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Happy New Year, all! Wishing everyone a happier, healthy and personally fulfilling 2023.

I didn't log on much in 2022, but come back occasionally to read others' stories when I feel I need it. Thanks for sharing.

Support » What do outsiders say? impact on kids? » January 1, 2023 2:55 am

clintonia
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Anon2222 wrote:

I really struggle with all of this. I cannot see any physical anything between two men without having actual pain. It's a visceral reaction. It feels like a slap in the face and a punch in the gut at the same time. And it's flipping everywhere. It's always in my face.

I just feel like the LGBTQ thing is being shoved down my throat and I can't escape it. I just want a break I guess. And I'm just sick of it being some sort of pass to act however you want, do whatever you want, and heaven help you if you don't agree with something.

I feel similarly-- especially the concept that you must conform with everyone else's view on this or you are "hateful". I have passively smiled at everything the past few years hiding and suppressing what I think is rational, true and honest. (This is a must in how I conduct myself at work too given revised norms.)

I feel that straight people who refuse to ignore LGBTQ people's abuse-- which I've found to be most-- themselves are displaying a streak of violence. If they could acknowledge what a straight partner has endured, they could not with a conscience support the perpetrator of abuse. It seems to me that in this, people don't care about truth, but what conforms to accepted standards and is the easiest path to adopt. Sympathy should only be given if a person hasn't been violent to those around them-- someone who has not spent his/her/their life directly lying to others. I feel like our society simply props up and continues the suppression and abuse of straight partners-- I don't even think it is the abusive individuals themselves, but everyone who supports them, and that that amassed, suppressive view is at least as traumatizing as, and more inescapable than, what the former partner did.

Heartwarming coming out stories sometimes state that although family and friends previously didn't understand the person's suppression, but they "responded with love because they loved me". Yet family and friends, and the gener

Support » update » June 22, 2022 9:26 pm

clintonia
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 That sounds like a modern poem, Elle. 

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