General Discussion » Sex questions: where to get intercourse answer » March 14, 2023 2:31 pm |
Heart-
What you've endured... I'm so sorry. I don't know if you can receive this right now. It's so hard when you're in the middle of so much pain and abuse. I hope you can.
YOU matter. You are important. How you feel, what you want, what you need, what your hopes and dreams for your relationship were and are, who you are- YOU matter. You deserve better.
Whatever ideas you've been fed about being a Christian wife are likely false, mysogynistic and abusive. Whenever I see the words "Christian wife/husband/man/woman" or anything similar, it's usually accompanied by some form of spiritual control and abuse.
I'm not saying that your husband doesn't matter. I'm telling you that YOU do. You don't sound like you believe that. I know I didn't for a long time. I stayed for 2 years. My LW had been the priority for so long, long before she came out, that I was barely even able to articulate my own desires anymore because they were so unimportant. A fact she criticized me for and used it as "evidence" for my need for therapy... yeah no shit, I needed therapy. I'd given up every preference and choice I'd had in service of her. I was a mess. My therapist worked through some childhood stuff with me, but for 18 months has focused on getting me through the next week, processing the abuse I'd endured the previous week, and trying to get me to see that I matter.
Example- my therapist asked me to visualize what it would be like to be with someone who not only loved me, but was eager, excited and happy to hear about and fulfill my needs in a relationship. To visualize a woman prioritizing making me happy. I sat there for a solid 5 minutes, eyes closed. I opened them and said I have no idea what that would be like. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be important enough to matter like that.
One last thing. Others have suggested you taking some time to yourself to focus on yourself. That's a great idea. Its effectiveness can also be limited because you'll know you're goi
Support » When do things get better? » March 9, 2023 12:55 am |
Gwendolyn,
If you just listen to your spouse you'll start to think that your reactions and how you feel about the situation doesn't make sense. I've now had 5-6 people tell me that however I react, it's normal. That they have no idea how I've been a functional human being while going through this alone, without being allowed to talk about it. They can't imagine what I'm going through and it sounds like the hardest thing a person could deal with. That I must be more patient than they thought and they already thought I was the most patient person they knew.
My LW has blamed me for a lot. She's said and believed that I'm the problem in our marriage. That I'm an angry person and she's just tried her best. The thing is, people who actually know me know that's not true. Now that I'm not under constant stress I'm seeing how much I've been gaslighted and blamed. I'm seeing how intensely unhealthy the marriage was and how my boundaries, opinions, values, thoughts and contributions were completely devalued and the effects that's had on me for 20 years. I have told a few people about different aspects of what I've dealt with and they've told me I've been in an abusive relationship.
All I know is that I can actually breathe now.
Support » When do things get better? » March 4, 2023 10:43 am |
Elle,
Okay good! I'm don't think I'm exactly wary... you know what it is? I've had SO many conversations with my LW go horribly wrong. I've said things that have been twisted to mean something else and had 100 good things ignored to focus on the one thing I could have said differently, regardless of my stated intentions. Wow, I didn't realize that's what I was doing. I was stressed out that I'd offended you because of her.
Firefly,
Thank you. My kids are supportive, but obviously I can't depend on them for that. As long as they know they have a home with me and that I love them and always will, that's what matters.
Now that people I know are finally hearing about it I've been getting more support. My MIL, both BILs and SIL have contacted me and supported me. I told one of my BILs that I'd gone on dating apps just to see what it would be like to have a straight woman express interest in me and that my LW lost her shit at me, accused me of cheating on her, etc. He lost it. Said there was nothing wrong with what I did and that she has no right to even have an opinion about what I do or don't do. It's a very grounding experience to hear someone you know tell you how badly they think you're getting screwed over. Of course, my mom and sister have also been very supportive. And I just remembered I have my in-person support group today! That's exciting.
Support » This is so messed up » March 4, 2023 10:27 am |
I'm so sorry Firefly. That might be the worst part, being gaslighted about everything.
Let's state the obvious. You had NO reason to question his sexuality. Maybe there were warnings, who knows? You're NOT SUPPOSED to be looking for something like that. It's reasonable and normal to assume that someone who is jointly entering a romantic relationship is qualified to do so. If he was gay or whatever, he wasn't qualified to enter a romantic relationship with a woman. Period. End of story.
Whatever your reaction was to this news, it's reasonable, normal and makes complete sense. Were you angry and outraged? Normal. Hurt and scared? Normal. Did you want to stay? Normal. Want to run as fast as you could? Normal. Have a psychotic break, withdraw into depression, try to stay friends and be supportive, want to punch and kick anything that moves including him? All normal.
It's not easy but it really is best if you can create distance. I moved out Wednesday. I've not slept much, I've been working on buying new furniture and putting everything away for an entire house, and my oldest daughter asked to move in with me for a few months last night so we moved her in too. And with all that, the hardest part has been communicating with my LW at times. Not always, but she's honestly very self-focused right now and only talks about her experience. Zero empathy.
Support » When do things get better? » March 2, 2023 4:44 pm |
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
HereInMpls2717 wrote:
Elle- it sounds like your son loves you and wants to be there for you.,.....
I’m thinking about you, and everyone else here....Thank you Mpls. I'm very aware of both the vulnerable pieces of a growing r'ship between two young people,..and my own vulnerability ending a 38 year one. If I wasn't as resilient as I am I'd be a mess right now but it appears I'll have to dig even deeper, be stronger.
And you're so right....nobody really knows how to address this situation with us. Give your BIL a hug from me.... I have a BIL whose wife came out early in their marriage and I know he'd be a good soundingboard but .... I can't/don't know when the best time to bring it up will be
E
I hope I didn’t overstep with what I said. I was thinking about when my parents got divorced (although my dad was awful and I fully supported my mom), and that my oldest daughter contacted her uncle for support with our divorce. If I did, or if what I wrote hurt you, please forgive me.
Support » When do things get better? » March 2, 2023 7:48 am |
It is good news. You’re right. I have a harder time at night with this stuff.
My BIL also said that while he knows people should get to live their authentic lives, that this isn’t what I signed up for. He said he’s pretty sure he’d lose his mind if this happened to him.
It’s ridiculous but I haven’t heard any of that from anyone who hasn’t been through this. No offense to anyone here but I feel like we’ve all been driven a bit crazy and hearing that from someone else is very grounding.
Elle- it sounds like your son loves you and wants to be there for you. I know part of me wants my kids to choose me and see what’s been done to me, but I want them to have a good relationship with their mom too. That’s the best thing if she’ll get healthy. And they’re stuck in between and dealing with a divorce which is hard at any age. Your kids are going through a lot too which you already know. YOU are an amazing and strong person. You will get through this and have an amazing life on the other side. I hope at least a small part of you knows that. I’m thinking about you, and everyone else here.
Support » When do things get better? » March 1, 2023 11:29 pm |
I moved into my new townhome today. It’s a mess but my 5 youngest kids helped me move and the 3 youngest wanted to stay the night. Everyone is excited and nervous which I guess is normal.
My LW stopped over for a while. When she left we hugged.I held onto her for 5 minutes. It was hard to let her go. 23 years… I still can’t believe that this is my life right now.
I talked to my brother-in-law for the first time since she came out to him a month ago. He apologized for not calling before, said all my in-laws count me as family and have my back. He said the fact that I’ve stayed through this for 2 years shows how much I love her (and accused me of being a saint, lol). He said everyone knows how much I’ve loved her, that’s it’s completely obvious. That might have been the best conversation I’ve had in years. I don’t feel crazy anymore.
Tonight I’m going to be okay with the fact that I still love her. I probably always will. I miss her so much. I’ve missed her for years now and I’m so sad. Maybe tomorrow I’ll try to be okay with things being over.
General Discussion » Disillusioned » February 28, 2023 11:31 pm |
Anon2222 wrote:
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
True wrote:
.....
True.... The word "rainbow" in your post might not be the most mindful word to use in a Forum full of straightspouses who've been damaged by people who use rainbows as their flag
Elle
Ok, I had to laugh at this. I actually have PTSD symptoms when I see the stupid rainbow anything now. I didn't know it was possible to hate a bloody rainbow. But I absolutely cannot deal with the site of anything rainbow right now. So, I am hoping that trigger will settle down over time....
I relate to that so much. Anytime I see one right now my chest gets tight. That's so frustrating! I don't even have anything against them. It's the association with someone who's ripped my heart out.
We'll get past it. No way is this going to be my forever state. It won't be for you either!
Support » Book recommendation » February 24, 2023 4:24 pm |
A while back I recommended a book to someone but I mentioned the wrong title. The book is "Rebuilding When your Relationship Ends" by Bruce Fisher and Robert Alberti. It goes through 19 steps of processing through the loss and healing. It's helping me direct my energy and thoughts and find ways to productively deal with my situation.
Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » February 24, 2023 3:43 pm |
Not to take anything away from what Sean has to say, but straight men DO NOT find men sexually attractive. Period. We may be able to recognize when men are objectively attractive the same way you would identify that the sky is blue. It's an understanding of what people commonly consider attractive as an objective fact, not based on personal desire for straight men.