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General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 20, 2019 3:09 pm

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OOHC,
So so true that nothing excuses the behavior of our ex-spouses, be it shame or childhood wounding or whatever. I am done with worrying about his wounds because he inflicted so many new ones onto me. The big difference is I used to care about his hurt but he has shown no sign of caring about mine. I feel like we all have been so profoundly betrayed by the one person in the world who promised to cherish us forever. At the very least they should have had our backs protected instead of slipping a knife in. I still have to remind myself of how different he is in reality than the golden image I made of him in my mind. I am finally happy that I am done with my marriage. My life is better without him. For those of us who were in very long-term marriages I think we share much in common. Thanks for reading all of my posts. I am grateful for the people on this board who communicate with such honesty. Isn’t that the thing we all appreciate so much after being starved of it for so long?

General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 20, 2019 2:21 pm

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Lynne,
You make such a profound point about the NPD being the primary truth. If it were otherwise, we would have had a very different experience upon the discovery of their other so-called truth. They would not have hidden IT for years or lied about it or gaslighted us or all of those utterly self-centered, sickening ways they chose to share it or hide it or run around getting all of their own needs met primarily while inflicting massive pain and betrayal on the people that loved them. If a non-NPD had a sudden or even a not so sudden epiphany about their sexuality they would not communicate it to their spouse in such creepy, cruel or completely non-communicative ways.

General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 20, 2019 1:52 pm

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Lily,
How ironic yours told you not to burst HIS bubble. Omg. So revealing when you look at back and think of their reactions in the new reality we are living. The lack of affection also permeated my life in the final years of my marriage. Your friend noticed it in your relationship and my teenage son noticed it in mine. How sad that on a fun family carriage ride years ago he took his Dad’s arm and placed it around my shoulders because he knew that was what I needed and wasn’t getting. If my ex had any self-awareness he should have hung his head in shame then and there. I was trying everything to keep my family “happy” and he was fine to let me live on the edge of minimum physical contact because he had morphed into someone who was never “touchy/feely”. Really?  I remember when he was touchy feely but he was trying to gaslight me into questioning my own memory. I don’t know if he does feel actual shame or pleasure from how he treated me. I agree that we as the spouses end up having to deal with the shame that is dumped into our lives. I was surrounded by the shame of his horrible childhood, his ongoing alcohol addiction, his terrible secrets, none of which were my own. I brought him  love and loyalty, compassion, appreciation, forgiveness and caring. I am gradually shaking off the gift of shame he gave me. Hugs to you and me. We deserve them!

General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 20, 2019 1:19 pm

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Control, I can completely relate to the utter waste of time and life that out exes dished out to us. It is years, decades of our lives that were stolen from us. I have been going through my house dealing with so many possessions that were acquired throughout my marriage which was most of my adult life also. It has been cathartic for me to dump items which are emotionally charged. I feel a bit lighter with every piece of junk that I ditch that my POS husband gave me. I believed each gift was a sign of love because that is part of my “love language” yet it was also a way for him to feel wonderful about himself. Look what a great husband I am!  So generous!  So thoughtful!  He got a lot of praise for every gift he gave me. They all made him look great. Most of them I don’t want anymore. Purging my environment of so many objects has helped me. The more I dump the better I feel.

General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 20, 2019 11:58 am

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Thank you all for your insightful responses. On some level my POS GID ex H and I were a perfect match because we wanted many of the same things but for VERY different reasons. He didn’t choose me because I was weak or easily victimized. He chose me to elevate himself. I brought all of my personal strengths to my marriage and made his life so much better. I adapted myself to lift him up. Isn’t that what a lifelong bond is supposed to be about?  The good things I saw him doing that I believed were also for US were actually not for us but for him. He had many qualities that made him look like a great husband. I was so love-bonded to him that my physiological response to him was that of feeling safe and secure. If he had been mean and cruel to my face it would have been easier to accept what I now know he did behind my back. That is where the dissonance is so drastic. I could not reconcile the two very different realities until I read about the behavior of Covert Narcissists. I don’t want to spend more of my precious time analyzing  HIM but somehow it has helped me to get some kind of resolution to my dissonance by thinking about him on that behavioral spectrum. It is also very validating to come here and say can you believe this?  How can this be?

General Discussion » Reminding Myself » October 19, 2019 5:28 pm

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I have not been here in a while because I needed to step away from TGT to try to focus on myself. I am recovering gradually, 17 months into a (nearly) no contact separation and 39 months post discovery that my husband and “best friend” of over 30 years is a GID cheating, self-centered POS whose greatest talent is lying. I struggled and still struggle so much with the cognitive dissonance between the reality of who I thought he was and who he actually is.  I think that is the devastating difference between basic infidelity and the surreal nightmare of TGT. Our torturers were not just hiding what they did but they have taken away all remnants of happy memories in our relationships by hiding WHO they are/were. I am not entirely in agreement with the DSM classifications of personality disorders because I feel it is such an oversimplification of complex issues, but my ex GIDH could certainly fit in the category of covert narcissist. Apparently they care so much about how they are perceived by others that all their energy goes into keeping a mask in place to hide their shame about their true selves. I think all of this exists on a spectrum. However, it does give me one possible answer of how he was/is willing to discard the most loving people in his life rather than to be honest with them. Does this resonate with you as well?

Support » Seeing the ex » March 2, 2018 12:02 am

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Count,
It sounds to me like you are handling a terrible situation as well as anyone could. You sound strong. You are young with so much life ahead of you. It is hard to wrap your mind around the level of betrayal our spouses have shown us. I still struggle with that and I am 16 months post discovery of TGT and six weeks post my husband of 32 years moving out. I love your forum name. Actually that is my favorite fiction book. The story of ultimate betrayal but the Count prevails in the end. He is full of righteous wrath and rightly so. But in the end, he has justice.

Support » I chickened out...twice! » March 1, 2018 11:26 am

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You are making progress. I believe you will feel better after meeting with an attorney. Just because he wants to know where you are going it doesn't follow that you are obligated to tell him.  You can meet with as many attorneys as you like!  Get another appointment. You don't have to tell him in advance. Just say you are running errands or you feel sick or whatever. Think of a reward for yourself after you get the appointment. Then another reward after you go. It is not easy. You can do it. If you can run a business you can do it. Go for it!  We are rooting for you.

Strategies for MOM's » The hardest part of wanting to keep my r'ship together... » March 1, 2018 9:37 am

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Wishing the best for you in your research and sending good thoughts your way. It is very ironic you had a prenup. So if he signed that maybe you can get a postnup signed now as a sign of his good intentions. Get him to put a signature on his promises. Not the ones he wants to make but the ones that will help you feel financially more protected.

Strategies for MOM's » The hardest part of wanting to keep my r'ship together... » February 28, 2018 12:37 pm

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I say let him love bomb you with something that will actually help you feel more secure. Many people get post-nups who plan to stay in the r ship.

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