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Strategies for MOM's » How do you do this? » January 10, 2021 3:13 pm

Epiphany
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Hi Dutchman. I did speak to him a short while ago. He said he wants to continue trying with us. I didn’t think to ask why. I just assumed it’s because he loves me and our life together. I told him he needs to ask if monogamy  something he can do because if not, I don’t think I can do an open marriage. We will be going to counseling. He said he’s still attracted to women so I do believe he is bisexual rather than gay. He’s always been attracted to women as far as I know...I just didn’t realize the extent of his continued attraction to men. He’s been sending messages and pictures back and forth with men. Just admitted to cheating on me with a man (oral, not Intercourse) while traveling when he was 26. I told him, it seems you are still looking for that. He admitted it I guess by nodding his head yes. I’m not sure where this road will take us. I’m trying to ask myself what I’m willing to deal with and not deal with. I’m completely dependent on him financially, we have a beautiful family. It would be hard to choose either path I suppose. Thank you for your insight and direction, it’s very helpful.

Strategies for MOM's » How do you do this? » January 10, 2021 11:13 am

Epiphany
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Hi. I’m brand new and just coming to the realization that my husband and I need counseling because of years of secretive actions on his end, exploring his desires for men. I married him knowing he was bisexual but his desires seem to go back and forth. Sometimes he wants women/me more but currently we are in a sexless marriage for 4 years now and I’ve recently found very direct messages on his phone to other men.

We have work to do. I don’t know what we will learn but I’m coming to the realization that divorce, something I never imagined, might become a reality for us down the road. What I cannot get over at this point, is the betrayal. No matter what his desires, he’s cheated on me...physically kissed both another woman and another man (that’s all he told me) , and fishing for relationships online. I suspect there’s a lot more to the story. I’m not sure how much I’m ready to know. We are going to go to counseling after our weekend trip away for his 40th Birthday (with friends). I also cannot get over the fact that all passion is gone between us rn. We’ve been in a sexless marriage for 4 years now.

My question to you all. Is how do you make a marriage work when there’s betrayal and lack of intimacy? Do you stay abstinent for eachother? Have an open marriage? What drove you to the decision to stay rather than leave and possibly find another mate? Is it love? Convenience? Family?

I’m asking because we do love eachother so very much. We are soulmates for sure...though I do believe it’s possible to have more than one soulmate. I don’t know what I want and what I’m willing to work with at this point. I’m just starting to explore my options. At this point I’m completely dependent on him financially with no degree, and a stay at home Mom. Our youngest is a 12 year old boy. Our kids would never expect anything to be wrong as our family life is so good, our relationship strong with the exception of intimacy.

I want to move forward with

Support » How to talk with him » January 10, 2021 9:27 am

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Hi. I’m pretty new here. I posted my story under Is he/she gay...I think that was the title. Long story short...I’m almost going on 19 years married to my best friend from highschool. We started dating after highschool and things progressed fast. I was pregnant at 20, he was only 19. We were MADLY in love though...very passionate, everyone’s fairytale couple. Till this day, people comment on our love for eachother, aspire to be like us. If they only knew the truth though. I married my husband fully aware that he was bisexual. His attraction to men, according to him, faded though and he had no desires to explore that side of himself as he was very much into me and what we had going on.

Fast forward through our marriage and 3 kids later...I learn in 2009 that he and a woman co-worker were having some sort of affair. I had suspected it so was snooping on the computer and actually came across an email exchange between him and another male. Sexual in nature, with the attempt to hook up possibly. When I confronted my husband he said nothing came of it because when the guy shared his picture he was not interested. Then my husband opened up about this other woman and that was SUCH a bigger issue at the time that the man was forgotten about. A few days later, my best friend shared knowledge she had about my husband coming onto a fellow male classmate from school (my husband did a fast track degree program while we were married). He apparently had kissed and touched this gay friend while in the bathroom at their graduation party...I was literally just outside. When I confronted my husband he said he was drunk and it’s only when he’s drinking that he desires men.

So we get through this devastating blow. Things get really really good again. Very passionate, lots of time and talk and connection to eachother. Fast forward to 2017. Our sex life is dwindling, our connection bad. In June of 2017, we had our last attempt at intercourse as he is having repeated issues kee

Is He/She Gay » Feeling alone in this » January 10, 2021 9:01 am

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Ellexoh, I’m not as confident as you that he’s completely gay. I’m not sure if it’s because I’m not ready to accept it or if it’s because I married him, well aware of the fact that he was Bi and then experienced a long period of life with him without him seeming to explore that male attraction anymore. I’m wondering, with Bisexual people, if it’s possible their desires change over time...perhaps now he’s desiring men more, maybe it’s because he’s bored in our relationship, does he still get turned on by women? These are the answers I need to find. Like Julian had mentioned...does it even matter? I’m in a fog of too many what if’s and emotions right now. I want to talk to my husband to find answers but we have a trip planned for his birthday at the end of the week and I’m worried what I might learn, I don’t want us to ruin that trip and I’m wondering if I should wait for counseling. I will go over to the support forum too. I’ve been reading posts from all the forums. I can say this, it is very empowering and eye opening to hear everybody else’s stories. I do feel like there might still be a light at the end of the tunnel...no matter which tunnel we choose to take.

Is He/She Gay » Feeling alone in this » January 9, 2021 9:19 am

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This too....yes, I’ve decided I need to take this slow. All we’ve known (or I’ve known I guess) is eachother our entire adult lives. Julian, it does suck but it’s not been the constant in our marriage. I read an amazing quote from somewhere else in this forum “You can hurt me with the truth, but please don’t love me with your lies”. I plan to talk to my husband tomorrow. I plan to share this with him and get some clarification. There are so many unknowns and I know we need counseling to get to the answers for some. There are so many positives in this marriage...so it deserves the time it will take to seek the answers. I do not want to feel like this again. This is the 3rd time now that his actions have caused this turmoil for me. I already told him that I love him but I have to have respect for myself and that I’m not ready to be some old washed up maid type wife. I also need to take a step back and look at the logistics of how this would work. I’m feeling a little stronger today and I know, because I’ve been through this before, that I will be ok. However, I’m a stay at home Mom with no degree. My husband handles all the finances. I need to not only give our marriage and love time to get sorted out but I need to become more independent and develop a possible exit plan. We also have children, our youngest is 12, our oldest 20 (we had kids very young). I need to think of them, especially our youngest and the best way to handle a possible divorce down the road for their sake. At this point I’m in limbo. I don’t know if we can fix this with counseling or if I need to start detaching. I will not let myself be out in this position again though. If I choose to stay awhile it will be because I believe it’s what is in my best interest in regards to my needs etc...

Is He/She Gay » Feeling alone in this » January 8, 2021 8:50 pm

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Thank you. Give it time, talk and talk. Very good advice. It made me stop sulking for a bit today with the knowledge I can deal with it later. It’s interesting how everyone here is going through similar situations yet do different. I’ve seen posts of people staying together after the fact, people who were shocked/forced to end things and everything in between. Over the years I’ve learned to look at people as souls. I see my husband and I know he has a good soul and he loves me. I’m not sure the depth of his deception yet but it is my plan to tell him that if he decides he is gay (he will be going to counseling to help him figure this out), it’s not an immediate death to our marriage. I have considered the possibility of staying just to let our hearts have time to adjust. I know I couldn’t stay forever because I’m already craving the intimacy we’ve lost over the years. I’m just trying to prepare myself for any scenario. I told him  that  every time I begin to trust him again another “tidbit” of information to what I believe there is more to comes out. At this point I’m beginning to think I just want our communication and friendship back...he’s been a bit surface only, nothing too deep in regards to our love/relationship. Certain things give me hope though...he gets jealous of other guys talking to me (not that I like it, and maybe he’s just threatened), and I do believe he is bisexual with an attraction to women still. I’m just not positive of that, or if he has any attraction towards me. I think that’s what I’m most scared to learn.

Is He/She Gay » Feeling alone in this » January 8, 2021 4:08 pm

Epiphany
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You are right. I will not go on in our relationship the way it currently is. There’s so much confusion right now. I don’t know how bad it is, what he’s actually done or not done. I know our marriage can’t continue this way though and I think that’s why I’m so emotional...because I know my standards won’t allow us to go on if his truth is that he can’t stop looking for relationships with men (or other women for that matter). We need to go to counseling, alone and together. Our marriage deserves the time it will take to find answers. He’s gotta show a genuine effort and so far he has. I think I’m just so scared to see our life flipped upside down. I did tell him I plan to go to school next year. I am developing a plan to ease this transition in the event that our marriage is not fixable. I have years of experience in childcare and can get an easy 2 year degree to become a Director. I saw someone else post that being in a marriage with a bisexual provides hope, being married to a gay is a tough place to start. I don’t even know what I’m dealing with rn. I really appreciate your understanding and am touched by your post. Thank you. It definitely helps to talk

Is He/She Gay » Feeling alone in this » January 8, 2021 12:53 pm

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Hi everyone. I’m brand new to this group, just found it yesterday. I’m a 41 year old Mother to 3, married almost 19 years to my highschool best friend turned boyfriend then husband. We love eachother DEEPLY. When we were friends in highschool I knew he had a boyfriend for a short time. He used to tell me all about it while I was in my relationship with my 1st boyfriend...who get this, is now openly gay. I’m fact, my now husband even shared with me eventually that him and my ex had oral sex at one point during my relationship with my ex. My husband used to tell me though, that he would someday marry me and he had plenty of girlfriends as well...so I obviously knew he was Bisexual.

When we decided to take the plunge and move our friendship of 3 years to dating...it was magical, fast, passionate. He told me he had no more desires for men...his ex even attempted to come onto him and he not only denied him, but shared it with me. We had our first daughter at a very young age, I was 21 and he was 20. When she was 1, he left me for a short period, stating that he had fallen out of love with me. During this time I was battling post partum depression so blamed myself, got medicated, and “won” him back after only 2 weeks of separation. Looking back, I do remember him becoming extremely close to a male co-worker and my best friend (also his best friend, a female)...telling me that she remembers him talking for long periods of time on the phone with someone else (noticed at parties etc). Fast forward to 2002, we are pregnant with our second daughter and married in Jamaica. He’s still very much into me...I remember because his intense sexual appetite did not match mine with all the pregnancy hormones. We had years of great intimacy. In 2008 we had a son. In 2009 I discovered he was having some sort of affair with a Female coworker who was coming onto him with great intensity. Till this day he tells me they only kissed and touched a little. During this time I became

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