General Discussion » I would like opinions. » February 24, 2023 3:21 pm |
I agree- clearly written from the POV of the lgbt spouse who doesn't have or express empathy for their partner.
I've maintained that I have empathy for my spouse. I understand and believe her when she describes her experience. I don't blame her for repressing her sexuality. HOWEVER, I have also had my own experience that she acknowledges in a general way, but is also unable or unwilling (or some combination of the two) to acknowledge the pain she's put me through over the course of our marriage due to her concealed sexuality, and especially since coming out. The damage done to my confidence and sense of self is pervasive. Her isolation of me and lack of support has been devastating. There is an amount of that inability that I believe is simply personal limitation. Some of it appears to be based on not wanting to accept responsibility for the pain she's caused.
The consensus from most everyone I've heard from is that the pain isn't coming from the revelation of their sexuality. I think most of us could understand someone repressing or hiding something like that because they feared for their safety, loss of family, social persecution, spiritual repercussions, etc. What everyone seems to be most hurt and impacted by are the actions of our spouses as a result of their coming out. These are people we've loved deeply with our whole hearts. It's not the coming out that has been the problem.
Support » When do things get better? » February 22, 2023 9:58 pm |
I’m moving in a week, signing my lease tomorrow. I’m also sick with COVID.
I don’t want to feel this alone anymore. She’s destroyed my life. I don’t know if I can ever trust another human being again after this. How do you get through this?
General Discussion » Disillusioned » February 20, 2023 3:05 pm |
Anon,
When I was at my very lowest, literally intending to end it right then, I texted my LW a number of times. She knew I was suicidal. Her only response was to tell me not to post on social media. She says she was protecting herself. I guess that was what was most important.
I don't know what to tell you. I'm hopefully moving out in 1-1/2 weeks. I feel sick about the idea of trusting a human being ever again. I can't connect with my faith right now. I'm just holding out until I feel like I can breathe again. Weight training helps me still feel alive for some reason. Once I move I'm going to start making artwork again and hopefully that'll help me process things.
I'm only commenting to tell you that I know many here care about you. I wish there was more I could offer.
General Discussion » 2022 was a fucked-up year » February 19, 2023 5:10 pm |
I don't know what to think about people responding to this stuff. I guess my bro-in-law was going to call me. My LW came out to him weeks ago and he asked how I was and said if it were him, he'd be completely losing his mind (YEP). To my knowledge he's the only person she's come out to who even thought about me. Hasn't called me either though.
Kids are in an especially difficult, confusing situation. You're both their parents. Hearing that your parents are divorcing is hard at any age and what a confusing reason to try to understand.
Support » Separating » February 17, 2023 8:16 pm |
gwendolyn and MJM,
What does TGT stand for?
I'm in my own therapy, have been for 2 years (aside from many 8-12 week periods over the last 6-7 years). We're attending joint therapy sessions for separating couples to work through what needs worked through so we can co-parent our kids as successfully as possible. I wish she'd have been willing to do that before all of this.
We talked alone about what we were going to say to our kids. I asked if she wanted to tell them we were getting a divorce, or if she wanted to tell them we were separating and figuring the rest out. We've both talked about not wanting a divorce but there have been so many issues. Since we've spent so much time apart lately I've felt better so I thought maybe if we separated, we could heal and figure out a path forward. I know that probably sounds stupid that I'd put that out there as an option. I needed to try one last time. We talked about things that bothered her and I tried to explain my side. I told her she has no idea the psychological and emotional damage this has done to me and she doesn't even seem to try to. She said that she's put so much work into becoming okay with divorcing and was visibly frustrated. I said that's fine, we'll stick with our decision.
Then we told our kids. The conversation went pretty well all things considered. I'm moving out in 2 weeks, 6 blocks from our house so the kids can have easy access to both places.
I don't know why I'm sharing all of this. I feel numb.
Is He/She Gay » He says he never questioned his sexuality until now... » February 16, 2023 2:06 pm |
I have a few thoughts based on many conversations I’ve had with lgbt people who’ve come out later in life. Straight people rarely question their sexuality and imo, if he’s turned on by male gay porn he is not straight. There are different kinds of attraction. Romantic, intellectual, relational, sexual, etc. Maybe he’s now still attracted to you as a person but not sexually. Coming to terms with one’s sexuality has a pronounced affect on things.
He may have participated in sex and romantic things with you because he thought he should, didn’t understand that he didn’t feel how straight people felt, etc. It’s entirely possible he didn’t know/repressed things so hard that he didn’t put things together. Religious indoctrination is powerful.
Will he swing back? I hear the hope in that question. I had that hope. No one can tell you that, not even him. Just know that I’m 2 years post disclosure, I waited for 20 months for her to figure herself out hoping for her to find desire for me. In that time I’ve become depressed, angry, resentful, miserable, attempted suicide and feel generally disgusting, unlovable, undesirable and empty. Waiting for your person to choose between you and a different life and watching and listening to them reject you on a core level of your being will cause harm you can’t understand without going through it.
No one needs to have sex to know their orientation.
Please believe him and make your decisions based on whether being married to a gay man in a sexless, loveless marriage is what you REALLY want.
All the best to you!
General Discussion » Chump Lady on Our Path Podcast Released Today, 2/15/2023 » February 15, 2023 7:57 pm |
Wow that was an amazing episode!!!
Support » Two Years Too Much » February 15, 2023 6:47 pm |
Chelhell,,
I agree that you should exit the relationship. As others have said, regardless of labels, he isn't for you. No more understanding needed. Sometimes people just aren't compatible.
Your sexuality (gay, straight, lesbian, bi) has to do with who you want to have sex and romantic intimacy with, not what you like to do. Therefore, prostate stimulation has nothing to do with your sexuality. If a man only wanted to be the recipient of anal sex and didn't want to do anything else with his partner, regardless of gender, that might be an exception.
Just my two cents.
Is He/She Gay » Non Sexual Red Flags Question » February 15, 2023 4:41 pm |
I’m a straight man, currently legally married to my lesbian wife. These are my opinions:
The non-sexual things you ask about (work, general disinterest, etc) could be for any reason. Lack of emotional depth or connection within himself, personality disorder, response to childhood trauma, etc. None of those say anything to me about his sexuality on their own.
Not being jealous means he’s not bonded to you. There isn’t much connection to speak of, you’re his wife but it’s more like a job, a role you’re filing. The normal, even minimally emotionally available man is naturally protective and defensive over his wife. Nothing crazy but being okay with you sleeping with another man? Clearly lack of connection to you.
Straight men generally do not engage in sexually explicit banter directed toward each other. Being critical or insulting of each other? Yes. Hyping each other up some? Sure. If his “friends” and him are talking about doing sexual things to each other or sexualizing eachother, they aren’t straight. Period.
If a woman is even minimally attractive and good to him (especially if he also loves her), he’s going to want to have sex with her. Barring some physical abnormality, hormonal issue, mental illness or its medication, or indoctrination or beliefs from childhood that have shut him down. It can be complicated but it really sounds like he’s not straight and is focused on his desire for men.
For examples of some of those caveats, read Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel.
Support » Separating » February 15, 2023 3:35 pm |
So for the last 1-1/2 years I’ve been requesting that we go to couples counseling. She refused because she said she wouldn’t work on our marriage, there wasn’t a way to fix our marriage because the issue was her sexuality.
I talked to a sex therapist right after she came out who said if we wanted to, we could figure out how to incorporate her newfound sexuality into our marriage and it could actually be a good thing. I told her that and besides screaming at me for telling a second therapist, she told me her sexuality couldn’t be a good thing for our marriage, it wasn’t going to be a part of it.
In January she said she was willing to give me a divorce because she then understood that I deserved to be in a marriage with someone who could show up fully the way she couldn’t, and she was looking forward to experiencing that herself.
And last night (Valentine’s Day) our female neighbor came over who my wife is sure is a lesbian but doesn’t know it yet. Sure she’s married with 3 kids, nbd. And while I’m standing in the kitchen making dinner for our youngest kid, I’m talking to our neighbor whom I’m also friends with and my wife texts me that she wants to hang out with HER friend alone.
Today in our separation therapy session she says she’s not agreeing to a divorce because she’s gay but because I was a bad husband for 20 years.
Yes, our marriage sucked, yes I was often angry and frustrated, yes I yelled sometimes and didn’t manage my emotions or respond better. I’ve spent years acknowledging and apologizing for that. I’ve been in therapy for years dealing with childhood abuse and neglect. Nevermind the 7 years after we started having kids when I would come home from working all day and do the dishes, laundry, cook and clean up pet crap and piss from the carpet nearly every day because she was too depressed to do anything but lay on the couch. Nevermind her controlling, anbusive and critical behavior. Nevermind that often when I got