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Support » I'm afraid there are no solutions for my situation » February 19, 2017 8:48 am

KellyClark
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First, I am so sorry. And I'm angry at your wife for selfishly putting her needs before her son's and being heartless and selfish toward you. You will be happier in the future.

I agree with posts above - see your advisor first! He or she will have ideas you haven't considered, I'll bet.

Find out where you can get free legal advice; your advisor may help with this also.

Think about how strange and unhealthy it would be for you and your son (especially) to live in a a household with your wife, her lover, her lover's children....no way!

Be strong. Stand up for yourself and you son. You're smart enough to be in this PhD program, you can do this ❤

Support » Lostgirl - this thread is for you » February 13, 2017 11:42 pm

KellyClark
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Lost Girl,

I'm so glad you found this forum. I wish I had when I first discovered my husband's secret. To know others were experiencing nearly the same story and that it does get better would have been so comforting. I kept his secret for 26 years. It's so destructive. Don't do it!

No one can tell you what you're husband's sexuality is in truth, but my own experience is that saying one is bi is just a way of avoiding the truth. My soon-to-be-ex husband is still not there yet and may never be. But trust your gut. It doesn't really matter is he's gay, bi, or straight. He's not living up to his wedding vows, and not the man you thought you married. I would suggest you leave his dilemma to him and focus on yourself. Are you going to feel loved and safe and cherished in this relationship? Counseling helped me enormously. I was so caught up in feeling sorry for him, worrying about his feelings, I was slowly dying. Once I declared that his behavior was unacceptable and that our marriage was over, the healing began. I've got a long way to go but I've moved beyond the stage of trying to understand him; I've moved past mourning the death of our marriage; I've started looking forward to the possibilities for the future with someone who loves me the way it should be.
I'm at a different stage than you are but have found so much help in these pages. I would also encourage you to get into counseling if you can. Tell someone you trust and get the hugs and support you need. Don't despair!

General Discussion » GID NPD - how does an empath leave one when they decide to? » February 12, 2017 12:11 am

KellyClark
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These examples of strength are so helpful. I think the detachment it takes to survive and move on is so difficult. I keep thinking of the lessons I learned in al-anon. Detach with love, don't get sucked into crazy/thinking, let go and let God or your higher power, which to me means trusting in the power of goodness.

It really helped me to get angry. My soon to be ex can't let go and I've had to be kind of harsh. And honestly it feels good. I told him we cannot be friends until he's willing to be honest.

I'm putting myself first for the first time in my life and that is a critical survival tool for me. His journey is his work. My journey is to live authentically and honestly. You just can't go wrong with honesty.

Not that I don't backslide once in awhile but I'm doing it less and less all the time. It's really okay to say yes it is all their fault. Keep your focus on the central, foundational lie upon which e erything else was built. None of the other stuff matters. When I realized that none of the other issues we had in our marriage mattered because they all stemmed from his lie, it really simplified things and I stopped trying to rationalize or argue.

It's so freeing to say, it doesn't matter what you believe about your sexuality, I know what I believe. And that's what I base my decisions on. Moving on.

Stay strong and think constantly about the freedom in living honestly.

I feel such compassion for all of you and wish all good things for each of us.

General Discussion » Forum Jargon for Newbies » February 11, 2017 10:58 am

KellyClark
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Daryl wrote:

Sam - if you can "sticky" posts like this it would be awesome!
"The Script" as a sticky would be another good one if anyone has a copy.

I'd like to read "the script". Is there a link.

Support » Telling my adult children » February 11, 2017 9:51 am

KellyClark
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Jkpeace, 

Joy and grief at the same time feels about right. We are being reborn by fire I suppose. I once described to my therapist that I felt like filing for divorce was like an amputation. I was heartbroken to lose my leg but now the gangrene couldn't kill me.

I think being loved by another who is 100% in, will contribute an important component to the healing. I wish that for all of us.

After I wrote out my story (first time to put it all out there except in therapy), it made me feel so stupid and weak. I thought if someone else had written those worlds I would have felt like smacking them. But I think most of you understand how desperately we want to believe the lies and how convincing our manipulator-spouses can be. It's much like living with an alcoholic - the shame, cover-ups, denials, and co-dependency.

I'm just so glad  I'm OUT!!

Support » Telling my adult children » February 11, 2017 12:09 am

KellyClark
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My story.

I was 8 months pregnant and four years into my marriage when I found a notebook my husband had stuffed under the seat of my car. He was in AA and doing a 12-step study. The notebook was a catalogue of his fourth step - taking a fearless moral inventory. I didn't know what it was so I opened it and one the first page, #1 - homosexuality. #2 - broken vows.
That was that moment that you all know so well. When the picture of your life crumbles like the walls of a home in an earthquake. When you realize you're living with a stranger.

When I stopped being hysterical I walked in the house and told him to get out. For two days I wouldn't talk to him. When I did, he confessed to going to other towns to visit adult books stores for "anonymous oral sex." But claimed it was only when he felt bad about himself and that he thought that he'd been abused as a child but couldn't remember. This turned out to be a recurring theme and I don't believe it for a minute. I've found searches on his computer that lead me to believe he thought that would make me feel sorry for him and not think of him as gay.

I was not working and madly in love with my unborn child and ready to be a mom.  I could not bear to start over at that point and I believed him. He swore his love for me over and over and it was behind him and all the familiar refrains. And I bought it. But it was never the same.

Three years later in an absolutely miserable and sexless marriage, we had too much to drink one night, watched a romantic movie and created our second child. That was 24 years ago and one of the last times we were intimate. I threw myself into motherhood and loved every minute.  We moved to the country, he started a small business and I homeschooled the kids. I got my love and affection from my children and we didn't talk about the problem. Then one day I had an anonymous phone call telling me that my husband was "having an affair and everyone knew it." With my hairdresser, who was surprising

Support » Telling my adult children » February 10, 2017 8:38 pm

KellyClark
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Disillusioned,

I hear you. I gave up 30 years. 30 years without love, to a husband who could barely look me in the eyes. Constantly rejected sexually until I had no self-esteem left. He made me think it was my fault. I was too critical, spent too much time on the children, didn't initiate intimacy, etc... I am so angry.

The good news is, I have a chance now. I will have a normal relationship in the future. My children will see me happy, adored, cherished, respected. And he will probably die in the closet - sad and lonely. 

It's the most selfish choice a person can make. Keep that in mind. Any time I start to feel sorry for him I remember that HE HAD A CHOICE. I didn't.

Thank you for joining in!

Support » Telling my adult children » February 10, 2017 3:45 pm

KellyClark
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JkPeace,

I thought I was finished with the head spinning phase, but despite having eveidence, when he starts yelling "I'm not gay!" with such vehemence, I allow that little bit of doubt to creep back in. It amazes me, really. Like, I see black, he says white, and I start to wonder if my eyesight is going. But no, I do not have any doubts that he is gay. Only he seems to, although I suspect it's not doubt as much as it's denial.

The first time I learned of his sexuality "confusion" was four years into our marriage, 26 years ago (eight months pregnant with our first child, so I've had a long time to come to terms with this. That first time was like being hit by a Mack truck; the subsequent events were more like being run over by a golf cart - yep, he's still gay. This last time, it finally was too much. I filed for divorce months ago and endured the bitter anger, the lashing out, the threats, the dire predictions (you'll ruin us!) and for the most part we are beyond that. But every once in awhile, like when he has to give me money, or I remind him not to access pornography on our business computer, he blows up and I get sucked down the sewer pipes again.

This board and all of you have been a godsend. Your experiences with your children, telling others, dealing with the ex, are so helpful, but most of all, the reminder that I am important and it's time to focus on my healing and my future.

Support » Telling my adult children » February 9, 2017 11:14 pm

KellyClark
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Sitting in our guest room and shaking my head over his assertion tonight that he is not gay. And that I could be fine to question my sanity once again. I feel sometimes like he wants me to think I'm crazy. But maybe he really believes he's not. What I need to remember - I should make a sign - is what my first therapist said. It doesn't matter if he's gay or not. He has not been a faithful and loving husband and I have been unhappy for decades. I need to focus on the divorce and moving on and let him deal with his issue I suppose.

I can't believe how easily I get swept up in his lies.

Support » Telling my adult children » February 9, 2017 9:08 pm

KellyClark
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Had a blow up with husband tonight. I've been trying to avoid him as much as possible, staying at my mom's, but sometimes we cross paths.

Among the many topics we fought about was about telling the kids. He continues to deny that he is gay despite all the evidence and having admitted it in a previous marital crisis. He said, "Do not push me on this!" So I have decided to wait. I'll take the blame if I must.

My 27 year old daughter and I are going away for a week soon. I thought I might tell her then, but it may be best to just let it go and take care of myself. I have plenty of work to do to get this divorce moving forward.

I can't thank you enough for your support and for your replies. I can't believe how comforting it is to know I am not alone, although I wish none of us had suffered such a fate.

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