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Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » January 28, 2025 12:05 pm

SamanthaNL
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Today we found this video from Joe Kort on youtube.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEc_hyCXAI&pp=ygUaam9lIGtvcnQgbWl4ZWQgb3JpZW50YXRpb24%3D

 
When discovery/disclosure happens somewhere down the line in marriage, it causes a complex set of initial difficulties and turmoil to overcome (like we ourselves had to work through). Nevertheless the core principles and characteristics of the relation (on the way forward) is very much the same as described in the story in the video. There are so many key points we share with their story. A MOM is not doomed by definition, nor should it be because external opinions say so. Whatever you choose together, be aware you’ve power of choice and free will.

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » June 25, 2023 9:03 pm

SamanthaNL
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Hi Anon42, reading your posts I unfortunately already got this impression. Yet, I am sorry to hear that, I am sorry for you. Although I think you have made a lot of rational considerations in dealing with, and signifying what is best for you and your children, to move on. Not getting lost and buried in the staggering emotional rabbit hole you faced anymore. Good for you! Indeed, two people are needed to launch the fundamental necessities to contribute to another participation in the marriage where both feelings must be equally met and the openness to talk and be true to each other.
 
Personally, I think it is odd that someone does elect sexuality (making preference to the entire sexuality) as ‘I know what I feel, therefor I know myself’,  but is reluctant to consider the correlation to everything else that is important in their behavior, character and personality. Hiding behind : ‘I do not understand’….
Rejecting to consider this internal inconsistency.
Neglected to contemplate what that means regarding everything else they say they hold for valuable. Turning themselves into fragile people and all others into the unyielding and dominant opponent.
Shutting down a huge part of who one is, the focus mainly based on what is missed and how to control those “missing” feelings, instead of what they have and are. Decisively pondering on that vision. Feeding it, needing it….
A major error that confines to a life without having a choice, focal point is merely filling a requirement, leaving al other just and valid commitments and promises.
Mainly looking to one particular aspect and making that their authentic being and all-important aspect of who they are.
I am not even (yet) mentioning spouse or children, but things as self-worth, self-esteem, proud of yourself (and I don't mean vanity!!), happy and relaxed with and in your body, content and comfortable and responsible, loyalty, trust, conviction, values and principles … and all those things someone needs

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » May 9, 2023 10:50 am

SamanthaNL
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Hi Annon,
I did wanted to answer your post soon. First of all to say I am so sorry you find yourself in this position which you didn’t anticipate nor detected to begin with when you got married.
I sincerely value your inquiry to my advise but want to emphasize I am no counselor! I am just speaking from the experience my husband and I learned during our road through all this, through a land of not knowing where to go. The importance to have (some) people in your life with whom you can be frank and open to talk to about anger, doubt and confusion and ask questions which you yourself don’t have answers too.
So by far…that would be my first advice, try and find someone with whom you can talk to, cry and be just yourself. Have your own inner perspectives straight in what you want and need. Clear your head and feelings, level them out so to speak.
Do not feel limited by your wife with what she feels is the right way to go in what you have to speak about and your inner feelings according to her sexual need and being. Because you need it, maybe even more then she does! Just a few people which you trust!!
I absolutely realize this is a very difficult time for you right now, and the damage this news causes for your marriage, and it’s painfulness of realizing some borders you do not want to cross in the midstream of letting your wife explore her feelings and wanting her to be who she is.
I have read your other post and I am making an educated guess this is not something your wife discovered a few months ago. She probably thought about it for a long time but now told you consequently as a result of being honest and transparent and responsible.
And that is probably even more painful to grasp then accepting your wife’s feelings for women. But being kept in the dark all those years and you being the victim of her secret, not being her main objective of significance the same as you held her. Broken promises and trust.  
I don’t know, I am just being candid, because I d

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » May 9, 2023 1:47 am

SamanthaNL
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Hi Anon42
I am so sorry it takes a little time to respond. The morning I saw your post, we were a few hours away from boarding a flight to the US where we will spend a month driving through some of the states and visiting some friends. I am writing a response though but I do not have wifi everywhere which I need for writing and translate. Thank you for your patience!
I wish you much strength during a very very difficult and heartbreaking episode in your life.
I hope to post soon!
Sam

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » January 10, 2023 8:20 am

SamanthaNL
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Since it is an aspect more people ask to specify my thoughts about ‘tunnelvision’, I worked out my thoughts about this aspect a little more. I hope it will clarify it a little more.
About how I encountered things in my life and my approach of the circumstances, but I do belief it doesn’t just apply to me… although I think there is not much difference, this is written from my perspective as woman having SSA and a straight husband.
Without any accusations, merely trying to give common sense to what I learned in myself deep down and how it helped me, decide what was important, what mistakes I had made in myself, my husband, and our marriage.
Marriage, the essential base for me, though I should say: for both of us, because it’s key in the whole process.
Now nearly 38 years together in marriage, although I didn’t understand my feelings especially in regard to SSA. Much of this is already written in this thread.
After a decade of depression not knowing who I was in totality, and a lot of shortcomings in every aspect because of that in my marriage. My preference was not an issue on the table as such but clarified a whole lot after…. Problems with sexuality and intimacy were there from the beginning.
 
There is no denying that when one discovers to have SSA feelings, it brings a lot of confusion inside. Particularly if this develops within a male/female relationship, in other words, marriage.
An essential thought pattern that changes and develops almost naturally, yet quite unconsciously, for the person with SSA feelings.
Particularly from the moment of "coming out", it develops even more intensely. Because it is no longer simply something about and relating to just yourself. Both, positive and negative thoughts, within yourself are given air, space and words (from seeking relief/giving consolation, openness and conversation, deliberation and contemplation, to, along the line, closing (emotional) doors and asserting aiding yourself).
 
Disclosure abou

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » November 3, 2022 4:30 pm

SamanthaNL
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Hi Nasturtium,
Again, sorry for having to wait such a long time for a reply, having some of our kids over… I hoped to have time during my nightshifts at work but that didn’t happen… But I hope my answer is beneficial to what you were looking for.
 
To begin with, I never asked my husband not to speak about my, and there for his problems. It never crossed my mind to ask that. Why should I?  I had a few close friends to speak about my feelings so why shouldn’t he be permitted to have the same as a straight. It is very important.
When you have a real wound, you go see a doctor or care to find assistance to dress the wound properly. And advise on how infection can be avoided, or pain can be reduced.
Well…this works the same, things sure need care, advise or healing. 
 
And lets say, even if I would have been ashamed about my sexual orientation and would not be to eager to reveal to much about my sexuality and private life that comes with that. I cannot expect my husband not to speak with someone. Whirl through turmoil all by himself having not only to cope with a wife who has a different sexuality. But also, his own sexuality that falls away, or even feelings being enough or being the, and a man, he expected to be.
That would not be fair would it. I do not have that right, which is solely beneficial to my feelings. An expectation or either my guilty or shame… but… Should he feel to be ashamed himself too??  Would his confusion and pain and even shame for not being enough for me not be as valid and reason to talk about with a close friend he feels comfortable with?
 
There is a lot to think about, to get objective advice or just an arm around a shoulder when you feel alone. Conformation needed on whether feelings are justified or not, without having to think you have to keep a brave face in consideration toward your spouse. Acknowledgement of your own feelings. Talking on what your perspectives were and are for your marriage without immediately having

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » October 29, 2022 9:15 pm

SamanthaNL
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 Hi Nasturtium,
i am very willing to answer your question, but I am lacking time right now to sit down and give it my full attention. Our kids are over for a few days. 
English is a bit complicated so always takes a bit of more time. But I will respond as soon as I can. 
Hope you do not mind.
Thanks in advance! 😉

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » October 20, 2022 4:45 pm

SamanthaNL
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Hello JV42
You distinguish several elements thrown together in a mix, blend in a muddle to walk through for view and approach. I think it is wise to emphasize the core line of my post is the feeling you describe of ‘being stuck’ somewhere in the relation. Not reducing of your spouse’s feelings to non-important-land. But things I have considered for myself.
 
I hope your wife finds a trustworthy account. For me it was a route of considering every single aspect, through essentially accepting the conclusions I drew from it as right for the way I wanted to live my life, and making it concrete, so following up on those conclusions...
Whether it makes a difference to know from an early age to have SSA feelings? My feelings became clear for me only much later in life married and having 4 kids and a whole landscape of troubles within myself not knowing why, but when I did, I was able to deduce explanations.
 
Reading your post, I do wonder what exactly your wife knew when she was young. Because at the same time you write there was still a lot that was vague until more recently. What exactly has become clear recently in comparison to when she was young? I gather that’s more then just accepting SSA.
And what made the obstruction disappear so that she now can name her feelings so firmly.
Does the downside from ‘coming to terms with her attractions now’ mean ‘growing unattractiveness towards’ you? If so, why?
How much time was in between her being young and now being married, and in awareness of her feelings now? What made her decide to get into a marriage with a man although being, like you describe, mindful of confusing feelings? What were her feelings towards you at that time?
 
Sorry for all the questions (I can think of a lot more but for now ;) but questions that matter to get some clarity. You don’t have to tell me! But to solve it, it’s essential to consider all. To get to a grip on things. Being honest and open to herself and, preferably, to you

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » October 19, 2022 10:50 am

SamanthaNL
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Hi JV42, i am sorry it is taking a little time... I have been very busy the last couple of days with work and I do not want to give an easy and quick-thinking  answer to your question. Writing does take me a bit of time due to translation and wanting to express and explain myself the right way. However…I did want to let you know I have read it and started, hope you have a little patience with me.

Sam

Strategies for MOM's » 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman » September 20, 2022 9:54 am

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Hi JV42,
First of all, like I tried to point out in my previous response to distinguish the difference, I was 16 when we met and 19 when we got married. Still very young and so much things I couldn’t comprehend to what I should have know about myself. My upbringing had build a wall that prevented I was able to learn my own emotional needs or sexuality. I think I didn’t really grew up in a sense. Never connected to what I liked and wanted. So to make a comparison to that time is hard. I wasn’t really aware of sexual feelings or what love was in those  days.
 
I think a lot of my options were related to a fear of not being able to find someone who loved me and wanted to spend his life with me. I used the wrong truths for myself to have a relationship, though I didn’t know nor understand the real reason for it.
No, there were no feelings of butterflies  flying around in my belly. I just acted to the best of my knowledge.
Before I met Dutchman there was a (shy) young man who was interested in me. Now that I think of it, I don’t think the response in my feelings towards him were any different.
But when dutchman came along he was forthcoming and had something adventurous about him that I liked very much. Besides that we had our faith and values on the same page. So many things were going for him.
I liked him and we bonded very well in most other aspects. Intimacy and cuddling was there and it felt safe and for me an honor that someone would even take interest in me like that. So it was exciting and playful, but it never hit a spot and lacked initiating intimate affection from my side. Still It never occurred to me that my sexuality was different.
I didn’t know any lesbians or what they were like, let alone that I myself would be one. It took years before that question even came across my mind.
 
We’re now 37 years into our marriage of which the last 17 of those years in awareness of why we had so much troubles during the first 20 years in the intimacy an

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