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Oh, no worries, SamanthaNL, take your time.
Thank you!
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Hi Annon,
I did wanted to answer your post soon. First of all to say I am so sorry you find yourself in this position which you didn’t anticipate nor detected to begin with when you got married.
I sincerely value your inquiry to my advise but want to emphasize I am no counselor! I am just speaking from the experience my husband and I learned during our road through all this, through a land of not knowing where to go. The importance to have (some) people in your life with whom you can be frank and open to talk to about anger, doubt and confusion and ask questions which you yourself don’t have answers too.
So by far…that would be my first advice, try and find someone with whom you can talk to, cry and be just yourself. Have your own inner perspectives straight in what you want and need. Clear your head and feelings, level them out so to speak.
Do not feel limited by your wife with what she feels is the right way to go in what you have to speak about and your inner feelings according to her sexual need and being. Because you need it, maybe even more then she does! Just a few people which you trust!!
I absolutely realize this is a very difficult time for you right now, and the damage this news causes for your marriage, and it’s painfulness of realizing some borders you do not want to cross in the midstream of letting your wife explore her feelings and wanting her to be who she is.
I have read your other post and I am making an educated guess this is not something your wife discovered a few months ago. She probably thought about it for a long time but now told you consequently as a result of being honest and transparent and responsible.
And that is probably even more painful to grasp then accepting your wife’s feelings for women. But being kept in the dark all those years and you being the victim of her secret, not being her main objective of significance the same as you held her. Broken promises and trust.
I don’t know, I am just being candid, because I don’t think you asked me for rosy dubious answers.
And that is probably the main issue first I think. You. Because if you want to pursue a monogamous marriage with your wife it is not at all just about accepting and maintaining her feelings as valuable and being who she is. But it’s about accepting the fact that you both are equal in value and importance as well. If you want to go this road ahead, it is a road together. It’s a bond and unity you share together. It’s accepting both your feelings in the equation and finding away in open and honest desire to have the responsibility to choose for each other as you once promised when you got married. Those promises do not diminish at the crossroad as one side of the marriage demands to earn the right to be herself and makes you choose as it is her awareness and being herself.
If you lose that aspect, then you yourself diminish your value, not only as a husband but also as being a man. That is the whole problem with tunnelvision, the slipstream of deliberation of sexual feelings are considered the sole priority and primary issue and source for every other step one takes, leaving the spouse on the sideline. And downplaying the importance of the value of who she really is as the person she wants to be in the totality of things. Thinking it is alright and for the best for both to set sexual orientation on the first place, but in fact building a gap farther and farther away from each other. Because it is all based on a one (self-seeking) sided need.
She has to acknowledge that fact too in the deepest need she feels obligated to. Not by mere will to be in a household together, paying the bills and accommodate your needs twice a year. But from and with her heart, because that is what a unity, the bond of marriage contains. The essence of love.
If you want to tell her something that has merit: she should not leave the totality of who she is as a whole person. Sexuality doesn’t just hold or keep merely and simply feelings toward…, it is about (in her case) being a woman. Knowing what she is in the totality of her existence. It is so much more, the feelings she has are just a part of that. And moreover, if she knows that fact, she does not have to be a victim of her feelings as if she is out of control when she makes an other choice that comply with her preferences to the whole she wants to be in life. The world and social media is telling every one to obey feelings or otherwise be unhappy and wanting, but that is not so!! For instance, my preference is not my feelings toward woman, although I do have those feelings and acknowledge that fact and accepting myself as a result being in peace and satisfied with myself, knowing and acknowledging that part of who I am. But my actual preference is with my marriage and the love for my husband, wanting that even more and also belongs to me, as a part of who I am. Among a whole bunch of other personality stuff that makes me to whom I am. I have the choice. I am in control of what I want to pursue and fulfills my longings. For it is my will, not my feelings, who run my life and my love for the person I want to share my life with.
This information she should have shared with you (earlier) and be on the table as a mayor issue of why your sex-life or intimacy were not there to begin with as it should have been. Knowledge you should have had a choice about whether you could or would be able to live with that.
For this is not something that will, if controlled and modified correctly, goes away.
So it is important you personally think long and hard (= heart desire to the depth) of what you feel, need and want in life to live in acceptance and accordance to those standard that require all that, but her needs and feelings as well. This is no one(wo)man show and you are the audience.
Going together requires not just acceptance for her, like I said before, which, from what I gather in your story is agreeable to her except going outside the marriage seeking comfort for her feelings. But if you do not comprehend that to the core that’s actually not even the issue in the source, then… how can she? (for instance: If she would have had feelings for a man…would you make this same remark? ) So the core questions involve more than sexual orientation.
Acceptance is good and important, but it is going deeper and further than only accepting her feelings.
Both have to get out of the tunnel-vision that focusses on sexual orientation as the main and central aspect of life and decisions. Letting loose, and then grasp other values that make us a person. That opens up a broader perspective and actual freedom. That is the place to take decisions from. And yes feelings will follow in accordance. Sexual feelings as a result of love instead of the other way around. As such a monogamous MOM gets fulfilling to both.
Do realize well, both have to be willing to go this path, if one doesn’t want it, then it’s simply not an viable option.
Your wife is free to contact me through my personal mail you find on SSN, but like I said…I am on holiday 😉 so not always able to respond immediately.
My thoughts are with you both wishing you a way through this turmoil.
Sam
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Thank you, Samantha for taking time and answering me. I'll see if I can share some of these ideas with my (so far) wife.
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Anon42 wrote:
Thank you, Samantha for taking time and answering me. I'll see if I can share some of these ideas with my (so far) wife.
Welp, the wife is not open to any such ideas. She claims she can't see any way of changing her mind, and won't even try to understand what your thinking is, SamanthaNL. Thanks for giving it a try. I would work hard for saving the marriage, but that would require two people thinking that it is possible, and it's not the case unfortunately.
I've basically accepted the inevitable divorce, am feeling pretty much ok and distancing myself from the wife.
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Hi Anon42, reading your posts I unfortunately already got this impression. Yet, I am sorry to hear that, I am sorry for you. Although I think you have made a lot of rational considerations in dealing with, and signifying what is best for you and your children, to move on. Not getting lost and buried in the staggering emotional rabbit hole you faced anymore. Good for you! Indeed, two people are needed to launch the fundamental necessities to contribute to another participation in the marriage where both feelings must be equally met and the openness to talk and be true to each other.
Personally, I think it is odd that someone does elect sexuality (making preference to the entire sexuality) as ‘I know what I feel, therefor I know myself’, but is reluctant to consider the correlation to everything else that is important in their behavior, character and personality. Hiding behind : ‘I do not understand’….
Rejecting to consider this internal inconsistency.
Neglected to contemplate what that means regarding everything else they say they hold for valuable. Turning themselves into fragile people and all others into the unyielding and dominant opponent.
Shutting down a huge part of who one is, the focus mainly based on what is missed and how to control those “missing” feelings, instead of what they have and are. Decisively pondering on that vision. Feeding it, needing it….
A major error that confines to a life without having a choice, focal point is merely filling a requirement, leaving al other just and valid commitments and promises.
Mainly looking to one particular aspect and making that their authentic being and all-important aspect of who they are.
I am not even (yet) mentioning spouse or children, but things as self-worth, self-esteem, proud of yourself (and I don't mean vanity!!), happy and relaxed with and in your body, content and comfortable and responsible, loyalty, trust, conviction, values and principles … and all those things someone needs to have confidence and strength and real happiness inside…knowing who you want to be. Those usually do not appear to be as genuine and basic elements that also need to be incorporated as much as sexuality, in the same importance.
I don't think that's rocket science...
That is making just a healthy observation developed through own experience.
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Today we found this video from Joe Kort on youtube.
When discovery/disclosure happens somewhere down the line in marriage, it causes a complex set of initial difficulties and turmoil to overcome (like we ourselves had to work through). Nevertheless the core principles and characteristics of the relation (on the way forward) is very much the same as described in the story in the video. There are so many key points we share with their story. A MOM is not doomed by definition, nor should it be because external opinions say so. Whatever you choose together, be aware you’ve power of choice and free will.
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Hello,
First I wanted to say it is welcoming to know there is a location focused on potential positive outcomes with the idea of a MOM. I also wanted to thank SamanthaNL for giving a perspective that I didn't consider.
Please know I am new here, to this world, and felt a desire to post something to help me navigate the new reality of my personal life. My wife and I have been together and married now for 27 years. She just took the first step in being honest with herself and me that she is a lesbian. This only happened two days ago and we are both going through a world wind of emotions. I feel like she is going through all of the normal emotions a loving and dedicated wife would go through. I am feeling sad, anxiousness, desperate, but at the same time happy for her strength in being able to confront and communicate this to me. We are currently considering the idea of staying together. We initially expressed three basic options and this one appears to set the best for both of us. She is my world and my soul mate and the thought of not having her in my life for the rest of my life isn't the option I want, and it appears she feels the same. Now what this means is completely unclear to us. What are our ground rules, how do we navigate our options, all of this is unclear to us. Accepting her and who she is for me the easiest thing in the world, and I choose to love her unconditionally. The fact that she is a lesbian bears no weight on what I think of her, my love for her, and my desire for her to be happy with herself and in her life. I do not feel anger nor do I think of any what ifs or question who I am as a person. Now I am only trying to understand my own boundaries of what I can accept while still making sure I am her devoted husband, partner, best friend, and companion. I have told myself and her I am focused on being supportive, communicating, build and maintaining trust, and being overall productive. I am communicating everything I am doing including reading and posting on this board. I have communicated that I love her more than anything, I accept her for who she is, and we have all the time in world to figure this out together regardless of what choices she needs to make for herself.
SamanthaNL, I applaud you and your husband for your strength, and I am grateful to hear that if we choose it there is a possibility that we can make this work.
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Hi Irish,
quite something, this situation you find yourself in (and your wife too of course). I'm glad you found this forum/topic, because usually people have no information about the different routes and outcomes that are possible. When I entered this situation twenty years ago, I was told that it would inevitable lead to divorce, open marriage or some sort of platonic relation stripped of real meaning.
This was the seemingly predestioned lines of thought that (still) exist. There are many more related tropes: gay spouse should live in accordance to their sexual preference otherwise they are not authentic. One (or both) spouses will have to live a closeted life, keeping up appearances. A MOM must be sexless and living together like brother and sister. etc.
It's true that if a couple isn't working really hard on themselves and their relation and the questions that arise, they most likely will end up in such a situation.
Maybe one or both spouses didn't actually and realy want to save the marriage, communication is and was lacking all along, maybe it's one side always giving while the other is just taking.
Well, no marriage is perfect, but the decisive factor is the Will to seek eachother, the Will to reach out and break the barriers, improve what is lacking. So at the center is Free Will, and use of the power that is given to everyone who wants to. There is no predestination how a MOM will evolve and work out. No, you both decide and determine that. Not just staying together, but the quality of the resulting relation as well.
It will be a quest and not easy, but I hope you get from our story it's in your own hands as a couple.
On the way there, there are many sub-plots. Things to work out, together or each individually. In our path these came up over the years. Solving and overcoming them, resulted in growth. Sure al lot of trouble going through it, but all so very valuable in hindsight.
I get from your description that acceptance of your wife is important, and this is totally right! Acceptance who she is and what she feels, is very good. So she can be honest and feel save. But remember acceptance has to go both ways. You being understanding and supportive, is very understandable and okay. It's love in action. But this goes for your wife too. She's not incapeable of loving you the same way!
It has to be/become reciprocal, not a situation in which one is victim that is sacrificing to the other. Both decide and act from Free Will. No guilts or claims, its totally voluntary all arround.
Dutchman.
PS. As I'm writing this, Samantha is writing her own reponse too.
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Hello Irish, first of all, I am sorry that you have found yourself in these confusing, unexpected, and difficult circumstances. This is not what you had expected out of all things.
Unfortunately, there are no simple answers and, for the time being, an uncertain future. It is no coincidence that there are many topics on this forum, which people with similar problems and the intense pain that it causes are hidden behind all those words and issues. The questions they face, yes, but also the powerlessness and incomprehension, because both feelings are no longer on the same track and expectations are following a different path. You, as they had, and some still experience, have a lot of love for their significant other, i.e. spouse.
Hope and prospects can only remain together if loyalty and (/to) promises are number one on the agenda that stems from that point on. And both are treated equally. Priority. That was it, and it will certainly always remain so! A union, a marriage covenant. That does not make the pain and confusion (for each individual) any less intense, because it remains a search for choices and the right path, but it keeps the boundaries visible and together for the marriage in which you want to continue together.
You use the word ‘unconditional’, but what does that entail? What does that mean for your wife?
A question that arises ... Because sometimes the signs are visible, maybe not explicit, but beneath the surface. Or... and this might be a good question too... How did she gain here confidence about her feelings towards being lesbian?
Or, very crucial to consider, did she have a deep, intimate relationship with someone she really liked. I do not mean sexually! The interaction between women can be very profound, open, tender, intimate, close, confidential, and calm. Maybe that sparked a feeling even to an emotional sexual level and a feeling of closeness, even without being emotionally physically together.
It may have stimulated the recognition she needed at that moment. Maybe given her self-confidence. And now maybe clouding/explaining those feelings the wrong way, bringing them to something that it is not, but does evolve to…. Because it filled a kind of void that (perhaps) was there already and felt acknowledged. A silver lining vulnerable on display….
Distinctive to what you say: “I feel that she is going through all the normal emotions that a loving and devoted woman would endure.”
Is she? I think it’s a legitime question, not to accuse! But one I had to consider very deep for myself too. The woman I fell for had a great impact on me. I found security for the first time in my life. I Could address and express my feelings. She awoke something in me that never would have happened if we didn’t connect emotionally. (Not physically!)
Back to my first sentence: ‘this is not what you expected’. I think? Because there were no signs in your relationship. Why... after all these years...? Because it's extremely important that she knows the difference.
When I look back on our own marriage, which has now lasted 40 years... 20 of which were spent in our MOM, and Dutchman and I remember together what things were missing or what was good for the marriage in the first 15 years (we have both described many of these on SSN), there were clear signs. Some of them were unknown to us. And some we could immediately identify when we talked at length, often and very honestly with each other, searching for our way.
On the other hand, I would also like to add that, even though it may feel a bit strange, because it is comparable to a bomb going off and everything you stood for, it is a good thing that it is no longer a secret.
So in that sense, there are arguments for both margins.
Although this openness also presents certain risks. Now that it is out in the open, so to speak, there will be consequences. There is no getting around that. The result is that your partner's “perspective” and “feelings” are now acceptable, legitimate, and no longer a secret. They have a place in your marriage.
It is a good thing to hold very high that a beings' identity is not the harvest of one's mere sexuality, just a part of several other, possibly even much more important, characteristics.
But it should not become the elephant in the room either, that you both dance around. Where your feelings (your own feelings and your masculinity) are put on hold or sacrificed for the sake of peace.
In addition, being influenced by various things you read and hear and recognize and connect with carries the danger of letting go of all the obstacles on the road to a loving and valuable MOM.
Even the cultural pillar that normalizes that you MUST motivate your wife in all forms and perspectives to develop herself, because otherwise you are denying her. A perspective in which all nuance is gone and there is no longer any question of equality. In which your wife has no say over her feelings, choices, and will, and is left to her emotional fate.
Well. This post is getting a little long…but that is me, sorry. Though we can talk in this topic… If your wife wants to talk to someone too, for that is a major element too when going for a MOM, then give me a PM and maybe she can write me... ? I am no therapist, let that be clear, but I do have a pair of ears to spare. I know I needed those in that time. And yes, sometimes I still do.
I wish you both much wisdom and clarity.
Sam.
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Dutchman, I am very grateful that you have responded and are willing to give any wisdom you have, thank you so much. Right now we are still hugging, holding hands, and trying to work through any awkwardness. I am discovering as of yet, nothing has changed other than the not knowing what is next... and of course what I wrote about as a part of my own self reflection. At least this is how it appears to me. My wife wants me to talk and express how I feel, she wants me to not hurt, she has expressed that she wants to stay married and maintain a relationship with me, but we just don't understand what comes next as this is extremely new to us. Through her current actions, I have hope she will continue to choose me. Now, what are our options... what can we both accept? As you mentioned I thought of three options originally and none of them aligned with the one I have discovered through your and your wife's generosity in sharing with us. This was a very powerful and thought provoking and also hopeful outcome. Please know you sharing has helped me and made me realize even more that if we choose we have the rest of our lives to figure this out together.
I also believe in free will as expressed in choosing something. I appreciate this new simple way to express these thoughts "free will". I also really appreciate you saying and reminding me of, "It has to be/become reciprocal, not a situation in which one is victim that is sacrificing to the other. Both decide and act from Free Will. No guilts or claims, its totally voluntary all around." I in no way feel like a victim, but I have yet to ask if she feels this way. Nor have I yet reflected on this idea and how it could impact decisions in the future. Thank you for sharing this insight with me.
Thank you.