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General Discussion » Why did my closeted ex wife have kids with me? » March 22, 2023 6:33 pm

Lake Breeze
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BlueBear - I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head re why a GIDX would do something like marry and have children with a straight person.  I think that what you have described was very much the situation with my husband and me.  I've always thought that he wasn't just gay, but had a personality disorder on top of it.  I have no problem with gay (not for me to be married to, but in general), but I do have a problem with fraud, and I believe in my situation it was fraud and he's just never had much of a conscience about it.  He was also very interested in acting.  I couldn't have said what you have said better.  Yes, they had other options like staying single, in the closet, having "quiet" private relationships as single people, or moving to an accepting location.  My GIDX wanted to look "normal" and he didn't care what it cost anybody else.

General Discussion » Why did my closeted ex wife have kids with me? » March 22, 2023 9:47 am

Lake Breeze
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I haven't posted here in years, but am checking in.  In my case, I think my GX had kids with me literally to "shut me up".  I had been wanting kids for awhile and kept talking about it to the point where I think he was just annoyed and said OK.  As Rob pointed out, some of these people have a "broken moral code" and he couldn't have cared less about the commitment aspect of any of this - to me or the kids.  He just wanted me to stop yacking at him about it.  Our first one was planned, the second was a "surprise" and he was extremely angry about it and blamed me for not "being careful".  (I'm in Seattle too.)  It's been 20 years since my divorce, and about 10 since I finally figured out the whole thing and what had been going on, so I can understand why 5 years later you are still very hurt and frustrated.  For me, it is something I have never gotten over or been able to move past.  I know others have, and I wish I'd been able to, but it just didn't happen for me.

General Discussion » Elizabeth Smart father announcement » August 16, 2019 10:56 am

Lake Breeze
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While I do not condone his marriage years to Lois AT ALL, I will say he at least actually came out, publicly apologized, and acknowledged the "excrutiating pain" he caused his wife.  That is far more than some of us ever get!  Again, I do not condone his overall behavior in any way.  I am not one who believes that if gay people could live authentic lives and without societal scorn, that they would never do this sort of thing.  I have always felt that my former spouse would mess over another gay man if he felt like it.  He's just selfish and selfish comes in all varieties, gay, straight, etc.  There are many gay people with integrity who would never do this sort of thing in spite of what they suffer at the hands of society.  They live honest lives regardless.

Support » So hurt and confused.. » March 31, 2019 8:10 pm

Lake Breeze
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Hello again Blankspace.  First I want to apologize for mentioning my health issue in your thread - I didn't mean to horn in on your space, but at the same time, I would also like to thank Lynne, Lily, and Daryl very much for their good wishes and comments about my situation.  Your good thoughts mean more than any of you might know.

Now Blankspace, I did want to add some more about your situation.  You said a couple of posts up that you wish this wasn't such a gray area and that it would be easier if it were black and white.  Well, I'll tell you my take on your situation is that it is black and white, it is only "gray" because you are still in love with him.  The actual situation I think is very cut and dry.  The others who have given you advice are all very knowledgeable and experienced with this business and I would heed what they say.

It is just so, so hard and such a shock to be in the position you are in.  There are hints of what I went through in your story too.  He wants to have his cake and eat it too and life just doesn't work that way.  You do not owe him anything in the way of not talking about this to friends and family.  Just take care of yourself and do what you feel you need to do.  Be gentle and kind to yourself.

Support » So hurt and confused.. » March 31, 2019 12:53 pm

Lake Breeze
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This is blunt and I am sorry if that is too much for you, but I wouldn't buy what he is saying.  It sounds like your gut knows where this is going. Listen to your gut.  (I am dealing with breast cancer now, so haven't been on here much.  Very anemic from treatment, so no energy to get on here much or to be "delicate" and offer lots of explanation when I do come here.)

I am so sorry that this is happening to you and wish you nothing but a positive future.  It is a nightmare to be in the situation you are in.  It will get better.  Just keep listening to your gut.

Is He/She Gay » Wife afraid to say she's "gay" » January 22, 2019 9:44 pm

Lake Breeze
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Daryl - That is the absolute best view of "for better or worse" that I have heard - assumption that there were no secrets being held.  I have always struggled so much with this concept.  This really is clarifying!  

Prince take heed.  Daryl really knows what he's talking about!

Is He/She Gay » Just need some validation that I'm not crazy. » November 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Lake Breeze
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Jkc - I am one more person to tell you that you are not crazy!  This is a very real thing.

General Discussion » The porn tells the truth? » November 4, 2018 11:50 am

Lake Breeze
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There used to be a gay man, Cameron, who posted some real good info here, but since registration has been required, he no longer posts.  One of the things he said once was that gay men will watch straight porn, but they focus on the man; the fantasies are about the man involved.  Sounds like that's what you are noticing.  I think the porn really is the ultimate tell all.

General Discussion » Cuckold or cheating wife. Husband gay. » October 28, 2018 11:07 am

Lake Breeze
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Hi Willow - My former husband has never admitted that he was gay, and I frankly had not realized it myself at the time of our divorce (many years ago now).  However, he was cheating with someone and I knew it.  Toward the end of our marriage, he would often make comments that suggested that I was cheating too, although he never showed any signs of being turned on by that idea.  I always thought it was a way to "balance out" his own cheating, so it wouldn't look as bad to himself or others.  I think what Ignorance said above is also a possibility, that he might have been looking for an open marriage of sorts.  I think my former spouse wanted either out of the marriage altogether or something like an open marriage.  He said things that suggested I might be cheating and I thought that in a certain way, he was even encouraging it, so that he would have some sort of "out" for his own bad behavior.  Like you, I never had any desire to be with anyone else.  I thought we had marriage problems and wanted to work on fixing them; I did not want another person.

General Discussion » A request to interview straight spouses who are currently married » October 26, 2018 11:47 am

Lake Breeze
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That makes total sense, OOHC, and I would hope that anyone here who might agree to participate in this project clearly understands all of this.

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