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Hi, Sean might not have seen your post yet and I know how useful it is to get an answer from him but I thought I'd have a go at answering your question myself.
I was in a long term marriage - what my mother finally said about him, after observing him closely was that he would neither fully accept me nor let me go. From the inside I couldn't really see it but as soon as she said it I knew she had hit the nail on the head - he wasn't playing by the same rule book as I. I could see how I had kept trying to get him to accept me or let me go and it wasn't long before I could see how he'd just been playing me, keeping me at arm's length but not letting me go.
He had what he wanted and he used me to get it - his nice comfy closet. He kept his boyfriends at arms length too.
it is sad. my commiserations, it's hard yards when you realise you haven't been loved back. It's sad the effect they have on our lives.
I have had happy times since, if not enough yet. But right from the first day in my new home I've found that just not being with him is 1000 percent better.
So in answer to your question - Why would a later in life man who has come out, really want to hold on to both lives at the same time? - closet dwelling, it's a way of life, it goes down the generations. Has he come out yet to everyone?
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LCoulter, if you have Instagram check out @itsmcmartyfly he is very vocal about why he stayed with his wife in a sexless "lavender" marriage. My bi husbamd has recently reconnected with an old time gay friend. He is out of his long-term gay relationship, and said that in the recent years, he has actually built a much closer and more secure relationship with a female friend and has stopped chasing gay relationships (I am 99% sure he is still sexually active with men). Male/female energy polarity serves as a strong pull, even if sexual desires are misaligned. I'm sure Sean will have some gems of wisdom for you, too!
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Thank you everyone for posting. In response to LCoulter&7's question:
Why would a later in life man who has come out, really want to hold on to both lives at the same time?
Fear. I'm happy to share my own experience but please keep in mind that I'm not a mental health professional. After coming out, my mixed orientation marriage (MOM) limped along for 18 painful months before we finally separated/divorced. I highly recommend reading, "The Velvet Rage" by Dr. Alan Downs. Some consider it the definitive modern work about the coming out process. If I remember correctly, Downs outlines different stages in the coming out process. And one of those stages is called "splitting." This is a time when a gay man is semi-closeted, meaning trying to maintain identities in both gay and straight worlds. The classic example is of a young actor from the mid-west who is out, proud, and dating men in New York city, but remains the closeted "he just hasn't found the right gal" don't-ask-don't-tell son when visiting his parents back on the farm in Indiana.
With gay men who marry women, splitting looks a lot like what you described in your post: meaning a "lavendar" (read: platonic) marriage to a woman through which the gay husband enjoys both emotional security while also maintaining a certain degree of status through his heterosexual marriage.
So what now? You wrote:
"It makes me feel really confused, and feels like it just prolongs the inevitable. He tells me he'll never find someone like me, that he'll always be there for me, in this redefined relationship. And he says he not looking to run away from this family. And in the same breath, he admits he doesn't want boundaries, and says he doesn't know if he wants to just go out with men, or be in a committed relationship with a man."
It's up to each of us to define love and marriage. If you're getting nothing from this situation (other than his dirty laundry) and your husband seems unwilling to change to meet your physical and emotional needs, then you should proceed accordingly. I find the best test of whether a MOM is sustainable is to put things in heterosexual terms. For example, if your best friend came to you and said that she and her husband hadn't had sex in years, that he planned to move to his own apartment, and was sleeping with other women, what advice would you give her?
I hope that helps friend. Good luck!
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Hello friend! Super weird request, but I trust you'll say something valuable. So... I'm about to message my husband's male friend.. Very ironic, because you called it a few months back! Wives like to meddle, maybe we just can't help ourselves - who knows, it's either anxiety or care ![]()
Here's a short story. My husband met this guy in a bar some 5-6 months ago. The guy is openly gay, in his 20s, very hot and unusually smart and down-to-earth for his looks. It was all going swimmingly and my husband was very happy to have him in his life. Conversation remained pretty much platonic, but with clear signs of attraction/care from my husband's side. The guy was generous in his communication, lots of honest/genuine banter - they had pretty much daily exchanges from what I understand (I don't track my husband's phone anymore). My husband went to see him, they had dinner, the guy made it clear there was not to be "anything physical". Fair enough, my husband was happy to have him as a friend - kind of like a "window to a life he doesn't have". So the conversation has continued after the meeting, but I think my husband dropped any flirting he may have done previously. Then, after a week or so, the guy just vanishes. No explanation, no "I'm busy", nothing. My husband sent several "sorry if I've done something wrong" messages - and still nothing. I'm super puzzled, too. My only guess is that despite saying "nothing physical" the Little Princess still expected signs of affection and (possibly) a valentine's day present.
As the last resort (I mean hubby already like quadruple-texted), I am thinking of reaching out to the guy over his public socials saying this: Hey X,I hope you are well. I'm Bascat's wife, we briefly met at the bar in Melbourne some months ago. I apologise for the intrusion, but is there a chance you could send Bascat some sort of a message - even if it's simply to close the conversation? The man has pretty serious abandonment trauma (childhood stuff) and having people fall off the radar without any explanation really triggers it. I mean he's a big boy and will get over it, but it would be great if you could help him out if it doesn't cost you much. From everything he told me you're a nice guy and I'm sure it wasn't your intention to cause him any distress. If, on the contrary, he did do something to upset you - seriously, do tell him - he is the kind of person that will do everything he can to fix it.All the best
Thoughts?
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So... I'm about to message my husband's male friend..
Absolutely not. A much younger man ghosted your husband. End of story. Such is the sad reality of modern dating. I'm of course very sorry your husband is struggling at the moment. You wrote:
"As the last resort (I mean hubby already like quadruple-texted), I am thinking of reaching out to the guy over his public socials saying this: Hey X,I hope you are well. I'm Bascat's wife, we briefly met at the bar in Melbourne some months ago. I apologise for the intrusion, but is there a chance you could send Bascat some sort of a message - even if it's simply to close the conversation?"
Here is what I wrote during one of our previous exchanges:
I too would block your husband if during our exchanges he mentioned that his wife would know everything. And why? Because I don't want to run the risk of his wife texting me at 3 a.m. "What the f*ck are you doing with my husband!?" And there is the very real risk that she'll creep my social media profile...
In a recent update, you mentioned being wined and dined by another man....let's call him Carl. Imagine making the difficult decision to end your liaison with Carl only to receive a flurry of "PLEASE message me!!!" and "What did I do!!!???" texts from Carl. You choose not to respond because you've moved on. You then receive an Instagram message from Carl's wife asking you to explain your decision. What would you do?
So what now? I wouldn't message this 20-something. Clearly he's moved on so you two should perhaps do the same. Best of luck!
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Well, I'm glad you were late with your reply, because OBVIOUSLY I was too impatient and did it anyway (trimmed the text by about a third though).
The guy messaged - so it's all good. Kind of confirmed he was looking for more investment on my husband's side. Him being married wasn't an issue. Him not being fully smitten was.
The more I interact with people in the dating world, the more I'm convinced we're like a different breed.. Everyone says they want "emotionally available " and "no games", but when they're presented with it - they get annoyed. My husband is VERY easy to manage: you ask him for more distance - he gives you distance, you ask for closeness - he gives you that. When the guy said "nothing physical", he didn't go "we'll see about that", he just switched all the flirting off.
As for me and Carl.. I can't picture a reality, where me, a 46-year-old woman ghosts someone. I may have done it to a boy or two, when I was like 13-14, but since my frontal lobes developed and I understood the impact of my actions - this has never happened since. I had many conversations (and even months of co-regulation) with my exes to thoughtfully (although not always painlessly) decouple.. this is maybe why I'm still friends with all of them.
This is why the modern dating world baffles me - feels like people have lost all the humility and empathy (and this is said by me - avoidant leaning, not always best emotionally attuned person).
Carl is single, but if a guy's wife ever texed me (we need to assume she knew, as I'd never date anyone not in an open marriage), then I'd be like "hey girl, let's grab a coffee". I'd be waaayyy too curious to meet her to feel any irritation.
Anyway, hubby's better, he got his closure. And I got brownie points for being a supportive wife/friend.
Carl has also been communicated a boundary - so we are back to emotional monogamy (physical remained).
We'll retreat to our emotionally mature ivory tower for now, and observe the world from there. Despise us, call us weird, we don't care 😅
Thanks for your reply - always interesting. How's the wedding prep going? Must be getting close?
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Glad everything worked out. Question: what exactly did your husband want from this 20-something gay man? Given what you wrote, it sounds like he wanted a platonic friendship with a younger man he was attracted to. Feel free to clarify (or ignore). Be well!
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Gah... f*ck knows what the man wants! I think platonic friendship would make him happy. Anything physical would be a bonus. His fundamental (trauma caused) distrust towards older men explains why any "platonic friend" has to be young... but don't ask why he needs to be hot (eye roll). He is definitely much more aware of his feelings and wants than 2-3 years ago, but there are still blind spots, and they are frustrating to watch. I think as he accumulates new life experiences, he will see that a friendship from a young hot person is almost guaranteed to come with an expectation of a financial investment. He needs to be addressing his issues with older men - and he is working on it - but I don't think all childhood traumas can be healed, to some we just have to adjust.