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November 22, 2023 8:30 pm  #11


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

magellaniccloud wrote:

  I am done condoning her selfish actions to "discover" and "heal" herself of her unhappiness.

You can not make anyone in this world happy. That is their responsibility, 100%. If you search for happiness elsewhere, it will never be where you are at. Let them go. I had to do the same. My ex claims to be gay now, likely to avoid responsibility for her actions. Do I care? I do not. All that matters is I endured a 19 year marriage and I was happy, because being happy has always been my responsibility. Was I mis-treated? Emotionally abused? Neglected? Taken for granted? All of the above, but the key was finding out "WHY" I accepted that behavior from someone else. Now that I have healed that, I am now happy, healed and thriving in a relationship I never even thought possible with my friend from high school She is amazing. There is hope, but its up to you, all of us to focus on our own healing, not on how sick our GID ex (or near to be ex) spouses are/were. 

Be well, happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate. 
 

 

July 16, 2024 12:49 am  #12


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

So I found this site today as I research my own situation (I'll write up my story in that forum in a bit), and I came across this post which sounds like it could be me in just a short while. 14 year marriage, 4 kids... but she admitted to me last week that she doesn't find men attractive and is really into this gay friend she has.

I'm crushed and going to try therapy. Because right now as she chases after this affair....I don't know how we could possibly stay together

 

July 16, 2024 2:52 pm  #13


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

Hey John!
Just read your story. I am sorry you are going through this.
You can read my posts, but in short- my ex also came out as bi. We are still in contact, but I haven’t asked in a long time what he identifies as (bi/gay) because it doesn’t matter to me. He lives with a man now.
You are at the beginning of this emotional rollercoaster, so try and remember that it will be lots of ups and downs. But it will get better and life can be amazing if you let it.
I still come to this site because I feel a connection with people here, and because I think it’s important to give support to others. But I have menaged to let go and enjoy my life. My separation gave me a new beginning in life and it’s great.
This was unimaginable to me as it happened 1,5 years ago.
Take care of yourself and trust your gut.
Love and a hug!

 

July 16, 2024 6:58 pm  #14


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

It is all utter horseshit by the way. Never believe a word that comes out of a lesbians mouth if it is talking to her man. There was never any emotional connection as we understood it. For one reason or another, we were a vehicle for what they needed out of life at some point. Social acceptance, money, house, kids, a beard or just the physical manifestation of a closet. The amount of times I have heard about the sexual fluidity of women in these situations is mind boggling. Bi now, gay later is a common mantra. When they have achieved life as they wanted it, then they will take the life they need. There are plenty of butch gym member lesbians out there looking for “that special lady”. If the lady in question is attached to 50% of the marital assets then even better. The amount of late life lesbians who eventually turn round and say “I am not quite as gay as I thought I was” is also very high. The lack of emotional connection to men is literally why they are gay. It isn’t on the men. Never even think that you did anything wrong or made a mistake. We were fooled for a reason. It is the oldest profession in the world after all. Women can fake it. They can fake all of it if it suits them. So many good family men just chucked away after having served a purpose. Breaks my heart every time i hear it or read it. The same goes for the wives of gay men who were used by them for their own ends. Why should anyone believe a word that comes out of their mouths? 


And now here is my secret, a very simple secret. It is only with the heart that one can see clearly that which is essential is invisible to the eye.
 

July 16, 2024 10:15 pm  #15


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

John, I know you are hoping there's some way to accommodate your spouse and save your marriage. I think many here wanted that. If you can do it, good for you, but remember that you matter. "You are not obligated to set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm." That was another member's tag line in their signature. They haven't posted in a long time but it's a statement worth remembering. Definitely continue your counseling. Get some perspective and clarity before anyone makes decisions that allows events that cannot be undone, such as intimacy with another or agreeing that it would be permissible. Also ask yourself, is this how you deserve to be treated ? What would your advice be if a close friend confided a situation like this to you ? Many of us have been where you are now. Post as much as you need to. It's always a disorienting roller coaster at the beginning.


“The future is unwritten.”
― Joe Strummer
 

July 16, 2024 11:24 pm  #16


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

Daryl wrote:

Also ask yourself, is this how you deserve to be treated ? What would your advice be if a close friend confided a situation like this to you ?

When my wife went from bi to gay she asked for a divorce.   I was in a full panic worried about the impact on my two daughters.  My wife proposed a MOM, where we'd live as roommates, while she commits adultery on the side.   While there were many reasons to reject this, the biggest was I was concered my children would pick up on the level of disrespect my wife would show me.   I do not want then growing up thinking this is acceptable and then find themselves in similar relationships later in life. We're now in the process of divorcing.   I'll find a healthy relationship and model that for my children.

 

July 17, 2024 12:02 am  #17


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

John, I read your story and felt your pain, like many of us partners/spouses that have been gaslit, lied, betrayed and emotionally or physically cheated on.  It seems like they are on a fast running train with no turning back to us.  It hurts like hell when they are emotionally detached from us, not wanting sexual relations with us, oblivious to our presence while they are nonstop texting. It’s down right disrespectful to a supposedly committed relationship.  Only when push comes to shove or with evidence, they will only admit what you know.  Saying they will never cheat, want to stay in our relationship, you are the most important person in the world is ludicrous while their emotional behaviors continue towards someone else. Mine wanted to live as roommates too, although we did not have kids.  I was the beard, and economically paid half of all expenses and mortgage.  It also is baloney to stay together 'because we have history and have gone through ups and downs."  They sometimes want to change the rules about monogamy, to see if it will be acceptable to you.  Whats with that!  We are kind and trusting by nature, would never do this to our partners..therefore we tend to believe their BS and thinking we can save the relationship.  Most of us here have walked in your shoes..  while some people may have saved their marriage or may have lived as roommates, or opened up their marriage....I think it is rare.  The most important thing to say to yourself is..what do I want.  
Doesn’t matter what the sexual label is, gay, bi, trans etc..if you aren’t the most important person to them, what’s in it for you.  I’ve been through this cluster f.@k and had confusion, stress, as well as anger, depression and anxiety.  **Taken Care of yourself the best you can.  **You are taking the right steps to post here, counseling for yourself. ** Try to eat well, sleep and rest. **Read the First Aid kit on this site.  * Don’t isolate yourself, although at the beginning you will want to.  Journaling helped me.  I talked to my sister, who I trusted as I was bewildered out of my mind.  I didn’t want to stay with mine, I was disrespected, gaslit and abused verbally and emotionally.  I let mine go, to live his life with his sexual harmony and desires.  Sending you a big Hug across the miles.  Post as much as you want.

Last edited by Norah (July 17, 2024 12:17 am)

 

July 17, 2024 6:04 am  #18


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

Thanks for all the kind words and advice everyone. I definitely have a lot to deal with and work through here...

 

July 19, 2024 8:31 am  #19


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

When a gay partner tells a straight partner that they may be bisexual, what they are in fact telling them is that they are in fact gay. If you are straight, and are in what you believe to be a straight relationship, the straight portion of a bisexual relationship is irrelevant. They are not telling you that they are a bit straight, they are telling you that they are a bit gay. If they have no intention of acting on their homosexual desire, there is no point in divulging this as a revelation. Something has changed in their view of the relationship when your view has not. This tends to mean the involvement of a third party as a confidante, or a facilitator who either causes them to question themselves or directly seduces them emotionally. If they try to rely on their own research into the subject of whether they are, or are not gay, there is virtually no information available to them that could reassure them that they are not. The simplest truth is that, straight people do not question their sexuality. Only gay people have cause to. As soon as a partner voices any concern that they may have about their sexuality. There is no way back. There is only going to be a gradually increasing, and ever more slippery slope.


And now here is my secret, a very simple secret. It is only with the heart that one can see clearly that which is essential is invisible to the eye.
 

July 19, 2024 8:39 am  #20


Re: Do most non-straight spouses come out typically as Bi?

Yeah, that is precisely what has happened in my case. The more I heard, the less I thought Bi and the more I thought gay. Although when we were talking about it on a different day, I said gay instead of bi, and she replied with an "I'm not gay!" I had to reassure her that it was not meant as an offending comment. But I hear what you are saying...there was another woman who shook these feelings free.

And yeah, that is my concern that the slide has started. And I do understand the possibility that I may never be happy in this relationship again.

 

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