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Support » How do you decide what to do when he tells you he is gay » April 29, 2024 9:52 am |
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
You have a lot to think about. You'll go back and forth....one day thinking everything will be fine....the next day being consumed by doubt and regret.
As long as you can see there's the possibility of a good & trusting life with a man who is bisexual-probably-gay you'll hang on to all the good you see in him and disregard all the things that hurt you or make you sad.
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A friend once told me that the only reason I stayed in a crap relationship was because I could not find a better man. That might have been true then (I was in my 20s), but it is not true now. If I am unhappy with a man, I know I'd rather be happy and alone, than stay. So, it really comes down to being honest about whether I am happy or not.
To help me be sure about this, I will enlist the help of someone through this forum, and I will make an effort to get out more and just meet other men. See where that takes me. I do deserve to be loved and I know that.. (I get such a sense of deja vu, saying this), though sometimes I worry about my capacity to give a lot of time to a partner. He'd want to be a horse person or a writer, something along those lines, and someone who is very happy to be in his own space and do his own thing. Obviously it would help if he was also straight and he loved sex, because that is super important to me, I can tell you... maybe it will wane over the years, but going on what I know about myself so far, I doubt that very much.
The main thing is, my current partner / fiancee has agreed to sort out our finances to ensure we each have a roof over our heads in the event of a break up, and that the division of assets is fair. I feel this protects both of us from potential stress and financial ruin, in the future, without necessarily saying that we want to split up.
Right now, after 4 days of talking about things, we have reached a point where he has decided to rephrase what he said, and that he is not truly gay like he initially said. We did have
Support » I officially filed for a divorce today. So many mixed emotions! » April 28, 2024 10:30 am |
gwendolyn_C wrote:
DD - this is when self-preservation needs to be considered. Your partner is telling you exactly what he plans and wants to do. To his defense, he is being truthful and now is the time to accept or reject how his decisions impact your life moving forward. You have already given 10 years of your life. Do you want to spend another 10 years in this state? How do you want to live for the next 10 years?
Yes, you will need to rebuild, but don't allow fear and the unknown to paralyze you. I can't go back and change time. Truthfully, my GID Ex is not a bad person. We have three beautiful children and he's a good dad. But I now understand that I deserve to be loved! You also deserve good love. Figure out if he is capable of giving you good and healthy love.
Thank you - that is what I aim to do. Obviously, when he asked me to marry him and I said 'yes', I felt he loved me with all his heart. I now need to see what will change moving forward.
Support » Can a Marriage Work if Romance Has to Be Found Elsewhere? » April 28, 2024 7:46 am |
I am a straight woman, so bear that in mind when reading my answer.
Why do people lie?
Because they don't want to hurt someone they love, is usually the answer. Another way of saying that is, they don't want to end a relationship that fulfils some of their needs. I have a fiancee who came out to me as gay, 3 days ago, but who was just bisexual for 10 years we have been together. Do I believe him when he says, he still loves me? Sure. Do I believe that he is genuine in wanting to "just fuck" other men and not form an emotional connection to one? Of course, it makes sense if it is also true that I am his soulmate, as he claims.
Then again, I think humans struggle with big changes, indeed they hate them, and so the easiest way for a bisexual or gay / lesbian person married to a straight person, is to try having their cake and eating it, too. Like you, I was told by my loving partner, that I am free to go fuck other men. What I am more inclined to do, however, is DATE other men with a view to finding a sane, straight man to replace him. Not because I don't love him, but because I am seriously devastated and I don't want to end up killing myself!
That's how you really ought to be thinking about it, I believe.
It is entirely possible to maintain warm, loving friendships with people we were once in love with, and to that end, I always make sure to keep any animosity out of my break ups. I also take ages to get around to it, usually, because I want to give it every chance of success. Except this seems to me such a clearcut case, becoming more clear, the more I think on it. You are straight, she is not. You want her, and her alone. She wants someone else, and a little bit of you. How does this work for you two? It doesn't, if you are hurting. If you decided you did not care, and you had someone else in your life to fill the gap your wife leaves when she isn't there, maybe it'd work. That all depends on individual personalities (some people are not monogamous, which
Support » I officially filed for a divorce today. So many mixed emotions! » April 28, 2024 7:18 am |
I want to thank you for posting this.
I am stuck (at the moment) trying to decide what to do, after my partner of 10 years just told me he saw himself as gay (previously I always knew he was bi, and I was ok with that). He has had sex with me since, and adjusted the statement to "a little bit bi, but strongly gay" - this is a very sudden change from the past 10 years, during which time he hasn't bothered with men at all. I know for a fact he has met someone, I've heard enough statements that - when added together - present as evidence of this simple fact.
He still says I am his soulmate and that he doesn't want to have an emotional relationship with a man.
At the same time, he openly admits he "must be selfish" and that I can't expect regular sex with him anymore. He also talks about spending time away from me "just for him", which will be additional to the current time we already spend apart (he works in mining, so he's away for a week at a time, every second week).
I thought I was coping well holding the fort while he worked away, coping with being on my own, working from home (a decent government job, but I don't earn nearly as much as he does), keeping everything going, and having an absolutely awesome sex life when he was home. Now it seems, he is asking me to accept less time and less attention from him, with less intimacy, but he says "I'm still me" and "nothing's changed." Anything that I say, can and will be used against me, including statements such as "I love you".
Reading your story, there are so many similarities to what is going on here. It is extremely painful, more than words can say. But I understand that I must take steps to prepare for my exit, including sorting out the finances. My fiancee (he proposed only last December, back when life was so beautiful) said he would sign a prenup if it would make me more comfortable. Yes, well... it might not be a prenup that I draw up for us...
Support » How do you decide what to do when he tells you he is gay » April 28, 2024 5:28 am |
I have been told on another part of this forum, that I have my future direction already worked out, but that is simply not true. My loving partner of 10 years, who a few short months ago proposed to me to get married, told me 3 days ago that he is gay.
We have had sex since then, it was fun, but not as fun for me as usual, because I was gripped by this horrible feeling that "it is not the same" and "who knows when he'll want it again."
In the first 24 hours I had probably 100 thoughts of suicide, even deciding on the preferred method. I spoke to Lifeline multiple times and I sobbed my heart out. He came and held me, he was sweet and loving, but eventually he said if I continued to be miserable, he would have to leave to "protect his sanity". I understand he is feeling guilty, but the truth is I am alone on this property, working from home, rarely going anywhere, and he knows I have no support network. The gay counsellor that he has been seeing for a few months now, advised him NOT to tell me anything, because of the potential impact it would have on me, but he went ahead and did it anyway.
During sex, he agreed he might be "a little bit bi" rather than fully gay, but the next morning he was once again issuing me with warnings about how strongly he swings in the gay direction, and how I shouldn't expect regular sex, at all.
I don't know whether anyone out there has ever been in a similar situation to mine, and made it work. Specifically, I don't know whether I should believe my partner when he says he doesn't see himself ever falling in love with a man. He says he just wants to have sex with them, and that I am his soulmate. The soulmate he may not want to have sex with for a month or more. The soulmate that is meant to be perfectly ok with this new arrangement, and not even look sad, because looking sad makes him feel so very guilty, that he would have to leave.
I have thought about telling him my "plan" for what I might do if he leaves me, for good. How I
General Discussion » Ripping out my heart » April 26, 2024 7:59 pm |
Canary2
Thank you for sharing that story. I feel your genuine concern and respect it greatly. I was in a co-dependent relationship once, with an alcoholic. I know the pitfalls of such a relationship, but when I look back on it, I also know - with the clarity and perfect vision of hindsight - that I have zero regrets about it. That may sound crazy, considering how harmful being with him was, but the fact is, I know damn well why I made the choices I made, at the time. I did not actually keep him next to me long. I kicked him out after just 6 months, then went on seeing him casually, for 8 years! The first year or so, he was close enough to come see me, after this I moved across Australia to put some distance between us and try to wean myself off him. He never raised his hand at me and never begrudged me this move. Indeed, he understood and encouraged me to do it. He knew his problem, had joined AA and failed, and he was shattered about it all. Everything about us was horribly beautiful. He was my soulmate, in many way, but so damaged and unable to care for me, that a relationship simply wasn't possible. I died a million deaths while trying to forget him, and I kept buying plane tickets to go see him. The sex was out of this world. Simply unforgettable. I have some videos of him today (not sex tapes, lol, just videos) and hearing his voice still makes my insides constrict in the most sexual way... he was murdered by his flatmate in 2013, otherwise who knows? I'd probably still be in touch! I certainly speak to his father every so and so...
My current partner, however, is a different story. He is healthy, very savvy about STDs and protection, very selective with partners - we do not have a monogamous relationship really, it's not what we are about - and he earns about twice what I do. He not only contributes to the household... he pays a lot more on the mortgage, supports my lifestyle with horses, and has bought me a $100k car to tow the horse float with. During our
General Discussion » Looking in the review mirror » April 26, 2024 7:00 pm |
Ellexoh_nz
I put myself through law school by providing sexual services and Domme services to men and women, a legal profession in Australia, where I reside. It was quite confronting and challenging at first, but I needed the money and I had a very high sex drive, so I persevered. I eventually came to see past people's physical attributes and I began to make emotional connections very rapidly. Being slightly different myself, it was easy for me to empathise with men that were struggling sexually. Indeed, I understood them perfectly, I would say. I did not necessarily agree with what they were doing, since I am not a cheater and never will be... and I certainly didn't pull back any punches, when talking to them - I even persuaded some of them to change what they were doing, and some of my bookings ended up with no sex, because they decided not to go ahead. All because I said, you shouldn't cheat on your wife. At that time, I was also in a relationship with a male gigolo, who gave me his side of the story, sleeping with married women. If I wrote a book about this, I am sure a lot of people would be horrified and a lot would judge me, but the truth is, people have needs. It is as simple as that. And quite often, those needs cannot be met by just one person. Especially when it comes to sex.
Now, some might say sex isn't the most important thing in the world, but if that were the case, we wouldn't mind sharing our partners with others. No matter how much or how little someone needs sex, they need it, period. It is not a hobby or an activity one can decide not to engage in, without some serious consequences usually. We are social animals and we need physical intimacy to feel loved, accepted, and happy. We can literally die from lack of love, so it is a serious, life and death question that people face on a daily basis, and that makes many people desperate enough to do horrible things to themselves and to others. That is why it is a question that must be aired, not left t
General Discussion » Ripping out my heart » April 26, 2024 6:48 pm |
Thank you for your thoughts, Ellexoh_nz and OutofHisCloset, and Rob...
I will not be going ahead with the wedding unless and until I feel happy and secure in our relationship, which will take some time to be sure of, if ever. I am on here to try and get some guidance and some moral support, precisely because I do not want to go through it alone, and end up making a terrible mistake. As a long-term de facto couple, we are very enmeshed financially and the courts will split up our assets quite evenly, regardless of our married state. I am actually a trained lawyer (just not practicing any more, I got out of that rat race to work in government instead, which is a lot lower stress), so I know the law quite well and I won't be wasting money on lawyers.
At this point, I genuinely believe I am "fine" with him sleeping with other men, based on the fact that it has never worried me before, in my other relationship with a bisexual. IF my current partner shows me that he can satisfy my sexual needs and otherwise remain present in the relationship, I do not see too many barriers to staying with him. Having said that, I reserve the right to change my mind if I feel unhappy at any point. I think he knows this, and this is what has been holding him back from enjoying himself with other men so far - despite the fact that I gave him blanket permission to do so, 10 years ago.
If he shows good continued interest in me sexually, he is not fully gay, but more bisexual, and I have told him this, last night while in bed with him and witnessing his arousal. He seems quite confused about it all, to me, which is both a good and a bad thing. The scary part is, he might finally decide that he is fully gay and fall in love with a man, and then leave me. This is why I plan to use the freedom he has bestowed on me, to begin carefully interacting with potential suitors for myself.. while noting that I do not really have a burning desire to BE in a relationship with anyone. It would take a v
General Discussion » Looking in the review mirror » April 26, 2024 7:32 am |
Sometimes, men fall in love with a woman and marry her, even though they are not sexually compatible. I have met many such men and always asked the same question: why? The answer? "She is my best friend and I love her in every other way." Given that I was not emotionally invested in those situations, I was a neutral third party, I'd say they were telling the truth. It meant that they had chosen to make certain sacrifices in their life, just so they could be with the woman they loved. But occasionally, it got too much and then they would seek out casual sex to fulfil their fantasies briefly.
That is different to a situation with a gay man, who has the capacity to fall in love with another man, right? Because that's what it all comes down to, at the end of the day. Whom does one want to spend their life with? Next to which person do they feel they can be their most authentic self? I feel sorry for the men who are gay, but lack the courage to tell their spouses, and end up living a lie. Not only do they hurt the person they claim to love, they also hurt themselves, denying themselves a chance for a happy life. But again, each person must weigh up what's most important to them, which needs they need fulfilled absolutely, and which needs are transient. Only then can they decide who is the right person to provide them those needs.
General Discussion » Ripping out my heart » April 26, 2024 6:31 am |
I have always had horrible luck in relationships. When I was 40 years old, and after 2 years of being single by choice, I met this wonderful man 19 years younger than me, and we fell in love. We were just friends for an entire year, living together as flatmates, in perfect harmony. Everyone thought he was too young for me, myself included, but our relationship persisted for 10 years and grew stronger all the time. Last December (2023) he got down on one knee and proposed to me. I was in heaven. I felt the happiest I had ever been.
I was deathly scared to be so happy, because my past experience has taught me that when you are up, you have something to lose - and I had so much to lose...
Well, I was right to be scared, because last night my loving fiancee and husband to be, told me he was basically GAY. Not bisexual, like I thought, but more or less gay. He has since said we would definitely have sex again, that he still desires me, but he just swings "very heavily" in the other direction. Of course, I want to believe him when he says he still loves me and doesn't want to leave, and that everything will be OK. He says, "nothing's changed", but the truth is, my heart has been ripped out once again. And I know from bitter experience, the devastating impact this will have on my mental state, my work, my writing (I am a passionate writer working on establishing myself as a professional author), basically every part of my life. I am older than he is, but I don't look my age. I am very fit, very active, and I crave sex and intimacy with the man I love, on a regular basis. Once a month isn't going to cut it.
I am isolated, too. We live on acreage, I work from home, and I write huge number of hours every day. I don't watch TV, I don't go out to socialise. I just work, ride my horses, and write. Well, until now I also enjoyed great sex, the best ever sex, with my loving partner, every day that he was home. Plus, trips away with him when we could organise it. Now he is talki
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