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Posted by lily
February 19, 2022 6:52 pm
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I haven't watched stuff like this before but yesterday I saw a bit of a show about Gay Conversion Therapy.  Largely it was about how damaging it was and should be illegal for minors, and how wrong it was to think of being gay as being unChristian.  

The trouble was - no mention of the collateral damage - we didn't rate a mention.  

Basically it went the therapy made me feel suicidal, I felt better when I stopped thinking I could change my urge for men.  I stopped thinking I was defective because I couldn't feel for a woman like I can for a man but that doesn't stop me from being Christian and I can choose how I want to live my life. 

Fine, no problem with any of that, but then comes one of the married ones who stares down the camera and says I have a right to a normal life with a family and children just like everyone else.  That's when I yelled at the tv.  OMG the self entitled pr!ck.  Not one nano second of care or consideration for his wife, she doesn't rate a mention, nor his children.  couldn't watch any more. 

That's when I realised there weren't many lesbians interviewed.  but a few were, so it was acknowledged that women can be lesbians, even though they didn't get much airtime.

straight women really are at the bottom of the pack.  and we're so useful!

 
Posted by Rob
February 19, 2022 7:42 pm
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I thought about this..why my GX married me etc. She had this insane sense of entitlement.  She was entitled to kids and the benefits of being married to me but did not think I was entitled to faithfulness and a normal marriage.

Best to get far away from these entitled people.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 
Posted by lily
February 20, 2022 6:01 am
#3

Yeah I've been thinking about it too, Rob.  I find the entitlement so staggering.  At one stage I was starting to think the women were even worse than the men, at least the men knew they were doing wrong.   Now I think it's equal, both male and female Gay In Denial - and I have stopped seeing it as them believing they're special  - does the bully who steals your sandwich on the playground really think it belongs to them - it's just a stand over tactic isn't it.

so that is what I am thinking now - my ex was resentful - he would say I never asked to be born like that meant we owed him.

 
Posted by OutofHisCloset
February 20, 2022 10:33 am
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Lily,
    "...my ex was resentful - he would say I never asked to be born like that meant we owed him."

  This is what my ex thought, I'm sure.  He resented the fact that he was a man when he wanted to be a woman, and he resented me for "getting to be" the female he wanted to be, and, because he had been "cheated" out of what he wanted to be, he felt entitled to use me and act in whatever way made him feel better. He felt entitled to creep on my femaleness and my female sexual response so that he could fantasize about being a woman, but he also felt entitled to discourage any show of femininity in me because if he couldn't have it then neither could I.  He felt entitled to deprive me of the information I needed to interpret what was happening in our marriage.  Above all, he felt entitled to keep all this to himself, and to imply that the problems in our marriage, many of which no doubt arose from his secret dissatisfaction with himself, were my fault.  

 
Posted by lily
February 20, 2022 6:26 pm
#5

yes, that's it - unstated, but very real resentment.  like he resented me for naturally being what he wanted to be, the female in the relationship.  and I think maybe he resented me for being more able to be happy than he was.

 

 
Posted by Ellexoh_nz
February 20, 2022 7:25 pm
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Everytime I see a news heading lead with or containing the words "gay conversion therapy" I simply dismiss it and move on. I'm often interested in people to read articles about the struggles in their lives but this topic just makes me fucking angry

Elle


KIA KAHA                       
 
Posted by lily
February 23, 2022 10:28 am
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I must admit gay conversion therapy seems particularly toxic.  I had just sort of assumed it was a sneaky way for Christian gays to hook up but there seems to have been a very punitive edge to it - one guy was talking about being physically abused as part of the treatment.  Horrible.  So much for God loves all the children - not once they hit adolescence.  I can see why so many of them said they ended up feeling suicidal.

But lhe utter disregard for the straights they marry while trying to be straight is so entrenched it is shocking.  what gives them the right to so disregard the needs and feelings of someone else, particularly when they are professing to love them.

 

 
Posted by Victo
February 23, 2022 2:25 pm
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lily wrote:

But lhe utter disregard for the straights they marry while trying to be straight is so entrenched it is shocking.  what gives them the right to so disregard the needs and feelings of someone else, particularly when they are professing to love them.

 

You pretty much nailed this.  Yes. 

Conversion therapy is clearly about pleasing the society, not the individual.  And so the cost of individual unhappiness and trauma is just expected to be borne by the converted homosexual, but the poor undeserving straight partner who gets caught up in this ickiness is yet another casualty that is not even considered.  But again, this is about pleasing society not the person.  Individuals are forced to bear the terrible cost of appearing normal to the outside world.

The question is why?  What is the point?

 
Posted by Abby
February 23, 2022 10:03 pm
#9

Men who admit to being attracted to men are actually encouraged to marry women to straighten themselves out. Plain women are recommended because they will be grateful to have a husband.

I heard that from a gay pastor who was given this advice while in training. He joined the Metropolitan Community Church instead where he did not need to hide his sexuality.


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 
Posted by HopelessRomantic
February 24, 2022 12:09 pm
#10

Abby wrote:

Men who admit to being attracted to men are actually encouraged to marry women to straighten themselves out. Plain women are recommended because they will be grateful to have a husband.

Man, that hits a little too close to home. My crossdresser husband said something similar to me when we were young. Paraphrasing here, but he basically said that men don’t want to marry attractive women/women that they want to sleep with because they’re hardwired to think of them as cum-dumpsters/only good for one thing... that they instead want to marry the “nice” girl (Aka, the less than attractive girl who makes up for it with her personality) because she’ll be a safer bet and make a better wife/try harder.  (Such a flattering thing to hear from your future husband...)

 


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