I don't know to move forward from here. Trans/bi/? husband.

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Posted by LoFoSho
August 8, 2020 10:32 am
#1

Hey, 37/F newbie here. My husband came out as trans a year ago, and fully wanted to transition at the time he told me (The day before our 5 year marriage anniversary). Needless to day, I was shocked, and felt all the feelings one could feel and was reeling from the totally unexpected announcement. He has since gone back into the closet, done a complete 180, and said he feels comfortable with his gender "most of the time." I don't believe this to be true. He has closed me off and won't talk about it with me, saying he resents my reaction and told me that I should love him for him, not for his "bag if meat) - ie his male body. Fast forward a year, of him seeing a gender counselor, and myself seeing a counselor, and together seeing a couples counselor who is trans themself. I have tried to get him to talk to me, to no avail, when a week ago he tells me he wants to "experiment with his sexual and gender identity" and that he is interested in an open marriage. After bomb one, bomb two didn't garner the same emotional reaction, but I have essentially shut down. I'm sure its a defensive mechanism, but my feelings for him just switched off.  We share a five year old son, who was born a micro-preemie and who I left my career for to me a SAHM to take him to appointments and therapies. I am starting grad school in two weeks, full time. I have no childcare other than myself. I have no job. I have school, to pursue a career I am very much passionate about and want to continue forward with. I just don't know what to do. He shuts down conversations about his latest announcement, telling me he doesn't feel comfortable or safe talking to me, despite giving him no reason to feel that way. Im lost.

 
Posted by SusanneH
August 8, 2020 12:33 pm
#2

LoFoSho, so sorry you’re in this lousy situation. My situation is a little different, however I’ve seen & learned so much since I found out my husband was already cheating with men. He never “came out”. I had to search for 1 1/2 yrs on computer, phone, etc before I had enough evidence that he HAD to start admitting to things. So, you’re ahead of a lot of us that he’s at least letting you know what he wants to do. 
It would be nice if HE knew. My husband is bisexual, but not interested in gender changes. He only likes oral sex, but not interested in a relationship. But, he, too, has waffled back & forth on whether he wants to stay in the closet in a monogamous marriage or go his own way and have sex with whomever he wants. He decided since all he likes is the sex, which doesn’t last 20-30 minutes or so;  that he has more going for him in a marriage with a life & wife that he’s already created a “life” with.
BUT, he does talk with me. In fact, I schedule talks& reading once a week (he won’t schedule it, but is willing to talk, which is so important. He’s never talked about his feelings, so we’re also using books on communication, which we need desperately. At first, it was like pulling teeth to get him to open up, but with therapy and sticking with the talks & reading, after a year it is getting better. 
So, if he’s talking to you enough to tell you what his intentions are, maybe you can get him to open up. Once he does, maybe it will help him make up his mind what direction he wants to go. I know it has to be an agonizing decision for them. Once he decides, then you can figure out what you want to do.
These are just suggestions 😉. Everyone is different. Read all you can and follow your heart as well as your mind......as in ‘peace of mind’ for you.
Take care of yourself. Read and post as much as you want and can. There are a lot of folks who have spouses that are transgender on here that can help you with that more than I can.
Blessings & (((((HUGS)))))

Last edited by SusanneH (August 8, 2020 12:34 pm)

 
Posted by OutofHisCloset
August 8, 2020 1:00 pm
#3

LoFoSho,

   You're in a situation that sounds in many aspects like the one I was in: a spouse who comes out as trans, intending to transition, then retreats in the closet, dismisses your distress over the loss of your husband and the upending of your world and even attacks you for it, won't speak openly, says it's your fault he can't, and then hits you with another bomb, this one of wanting an open relationship, stonewalling you while attempting to lay the blame at your feet, and then moving the goal posts of what he wants. The end result of this for you is that you're constantly off balance and in reaction mode, rather than action mode.  You need to get some control over your situation, and that means getting out of reactive into active mode, and focusing on you yourself and what you want and need.

   I would say that at this moment, all of your energy should be directed at helping yourself, and getting yourself into a position in which you can act independently of your spouse and whatever decisions your spouse makes about gender expression and sexuality.  You don't want to feel you have no choice but to stay.  One way to go about regaining control is to go and visit a family law lawyer to see what your situation is with respect to a separation or divorce.  You may be entitled to financial support and child maintenance should you decide to separate while you two process this huge change.  One thing's for sure: you may be thinking you can't afford to leave, but trying to care for a young child and concentrate on your school work while in the orbit of your spouse's black hole of need and constantly changing ideas about himself is not going to be a picnic, either. 

    You might also talk to the graduate faculty rep of the department where you planning to matriculate, to ask about TAships or other financial support while you are in grad school.  They may not be available for the upcoming semester or even the first year, but it's worth seeing what's possible.  Another solution is to see if there are other single women with children in the program with whom you might share an apartment and childcare.  Not ideal, but if you are looking for options, instead of trying to convince yourself that you have to stay because you have no choice, there may be options you haven't considered.  I realize that I am not you, and it's easy to tell others what is very difficult to do, and that they don't want to do, but from my perspective, a just retired academic whose spouse dropped his trans bomb after 32 years of marriage, I think you are in a good position to re-start your life on your own.  You have the time and the potential to build your life back up, even if you have to build it from the ground up.  From what you say of your marriage, it doesn't seem as if your spouse, who is spending his time invalidating your feelings and refusing to engage in conversations with you while shifting the ground of what it is he wants, is not going to meet you even half-way as you try to work things out.  (Not an uncommon experience here with men in transition.)  Please don't listen to or feel guilt over your partner's claim that somehow you have made him uncomfortable talking.  That's a very common blame shift, one that takes the onus off of him to act and to engage, and tries to stick you with it, making his feelings become your responsibility, and laying his action or lack of it at your feet.     

One last thing, about the "meat sack."  To suggest that the body doesn't matter is bullshit.  We live in our bodies.  We perceive, feel, and think through our bodies (it's commonly accepted now that our thoughts aren't walled off from our bodies in some "disembodied" mind).  We experience the world, including cultural expectations, through our bodies.  Bodies matter.  And if, as your spouse says, they don't, then ask yourself why it's so important to him to want a different one.  What he's saying is that his body shouldn't matter to YOU, but that his body is allowed to matter to him--in fact it matters to him so much that he's willing to trade his life with you and his child for it.  Well, his body does matter to you: you married a man you fell in love with because he was male.  Now he wants to disavow both his male body and role, and to experiment with his sexuality as well as his gender expression.  There is no reason in god's green earth he should expect you to be ok with that.  Nor should you.
 
 

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (August 8, 2020 1:49 pm)

 
Posted by Zenobia
August 8, 2020 2:28 pm
#4

Very sorry that your situation finds you here but glad you found somewhere like this for support.

My situation is similar to yours in some ways (small child, lots already in my plate, expectations that I should just be on board and fine with anything) though in mine my spouse hovered at cross dressing and having “time” as their alter ego but recently went all out for transition. It can be very difficult to handle everything you have going on (child, upcoming school all all the prep for these) and then all of this is dropped onto as well and in your case...again.

Lots of good support here and Idea for how to care for yourself. Least in my experience so far my spouse is consumed and focused with their new identity with other responsibilities taking a far back seat.

Some good questions here already about finding what resources you have from school. Do you have any family/friends supportive of you and your son?

 
Posted by LoFoSho
August 8, 2020 2:32 pm
#5

@SusanneH and@OutOfHisCloset, thank you both for your thoughtful replies. I wrote that post in a haze, as evidenced by my typos and disorganized thoughts. 

@SusanneH Your perspective is certainly relevant. Unfortunately, despite so very many attempts and scheduled "check ins" he doesn't share. It is heartbreaking.

@OutOfHisCloset, our situations do indeed sound quite similar. And thank you for your perspective as an academic (I am pursuing a MA in Counseling Psychology). The reaction mode vs action mode is definitely accurate, in the case of our relationship. I am constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop. I will try to start advocating more for my needs instead of bowing to his.

 
Posted by LoFoSho
August 8, 2020 2:38 pm
#6

@Zenobia, thank you for responding. To further complicate things, my husband's father came out as gay when he was 11, and from there he essentially abandoned everyone for a walkabout/to fully immerse himself in his new life. My husband even takes offense being labeled as "bi" (despite his attraction to men) because he is so triggered by his father/trying to avoid comparison. As for support, I have truly remarkable friends for surrounding me, but not the best relationship with my family (both parents are big time alcoholics, enablers, and certainly have some co-morbid psychological issues). This makes it a tough situation.

 


 
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