Posted by Victo July 6, 2020 6:16 pm | #1 |
How do those who are recovering from being married to GID narcissists ever recover enough to date again?
I know the pandemic is not helping. I'm fortunate to be away from my ex during the extended lockdown stages of this pandemic. She has locked down at her father's place with her lesbian lover. Me? I locked down with my own parents. My GID narcissist ex-wife and I have been trading our 10-yo daughter back and forth.
Since I am with my parents, I do not feel the pressure I used to feel to help my GID narcissist ex project the image she wanted to project. I am not being gaslit and emotionally abused anymore. This time is supposed to be the time I use to date anew and discover, perhaps for the first time since college, the alleged pleasures of actual hetero relationships. However, the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc adds a totally new dynamic to attempting to date. I am not any closer to finding an actual hetero partner than I was when I was still being abused by my GID narcissist ex.
I believed I was ready to date and had been actively trying to meet new women right before the pandemic hit. Now, I am not so sure anymore. Mental health is hard enough to maintain when one is being crushed by a domestic partner. It all cost me my career last year. So I got out and was beginning to try to rebuild. 2020 was supposed to be my rebuilding time. Add a pandemic and a suspension of all that constitutes normal, my mental health has taken a real hit.
The only possible upside for me is that I am not the only person who has lost a career recently. A huge swath of the country has also lost careers lately. However, most people in this category are suffering the results of the pandemic. Me? I feel like I'm just putting off the healing I really need.
I don't even know what I am asking anymore. So perhaps you can help me with this: How does a survivor of a GID narcissist partner ever develop a healthy hetero relationship? Let alone do so in a pandemic? Let alone do so while also trying to figure out a whole new career? Let alone do so while we are mired in a historic economic depression? Any thoughts are welcome.
Posted by Ellexoh_nz July 6, 2020 8:02 pm | #2 |
Victo wrote:
How do those who are recovering from being married to GID narcissists ever recover enough to date again? ......... How does a survivor of a GID narcissist partner ever develop a healthy hetero relationship?
Victo.....For myself....as I'm not interested in trusting a man again anything 'romantic' would have to catch me unawares....lol
In saying that I think there's work to be done on ourselves before we even think about involvement with another. If a r'ship is what you ultimately want your inner self must surely have the demons we endure ...banished...from the forefront of our minds
Elle
Posted by Whirligig July 6, 2020 9:53 pm | #3 |
I'm with Elle as far as not being interested in dating again. It would have to be a surprise for me as well and I don't particularly enjoy those anymore. I also think she offers good advice about healing up and not rushing in. No need to pressure yourself right away. Maybe reconnect with some hobbies and interests outside of a relationship. Or start thinking of it in terms of friendship. Like are you the kind of person you'd like to be friends with? Helps you focus on both strengths and weaknesses you can work on. Maybe you can work on building some or reconnecting with people too. Increasing social contacts can make you feel better, feel less panicked about meeting someone, and either lead to romance or setups (should you be open to that). Calls to friends are low pressure. I feel I'm trying without too much obligation to get together. I'm finding that the longer I'm away from the lies the better I feel. I'm starting to be more proactive about things again. It's a relief because I was so very depressed. Set your own pace. You'll arrive somewhere better when you're ready.
Posted by Victo July 7, 2020 6:47 pm | #4 |
I appreciate these responses. Thank you.
I understand that there are those who feel that they never want to go down this path again, and I honor you all for that feeling. I get it. I do not blame anyone who has gone through this who feels that they are just done with relationships. I truly understand.
However, I do want to make something clear: I definitely WANT to try again. I feel like my story differs from many stories I read here. There are a lot of people who seemed somewhat happy in their marriages before TGT came along and shattered their lives.
Not me.
My marriage was so profoundly unsatisfying to me and for so long that I feel like I now have the opportunity to come out as heterosexual. I was so deep in her closet - so sensitive to her needs and for so long - that I feel like it is now finally my turn to experience all that I did not experience in my marriage. This is how I feel that I want to heal in the grand scheme. It is finally my turn, dammit.
I have read plenty of stories on here that end with a kind of surprised relief that real hetero relationships are fulfilling. There are people who DO get to have the love they were denied the first go around. That is what I want to experience. How do I get to experience that?
I certainly feel cheated by the decades of lies and manipulations that my GID narcissist ex had aimed at me. But I also finally got sick of it and finally stopped putting energy into the marriage BEFORE the AHA moment that finally came. I was not betrayed by the discovery of her lesbianism. I was relieved. It meant I was not crazy or a bad person for feeling profoundly unsatisfied by what she was putting in. I was not crazy or a bad person for finally just falling apart. Her admission of her relationship with a woman was, for me, a validation. She had, in fact, been gaslighting me, emotionally abusing me, and lying to everyone in our lives. I was not crazy or a bad person after all. Nor was I wrong to finally stop investing in trying to 'make it work'. I was so done and so ready to be out long before she ever came out. It was simply my sense of duty that kept me there so long. It was the feeling that I was supposed to accept structural flaws in the marriage. This is just what marriage is - a profoundly unsatisfying lie constructed to please outsiders. It was duty. But even that sense of duty had long failed me. I was so completely done with her bullshit. I was sooooo not attracted to her. She wasn't feminine. She was a lying, abusive, drunken, shitty, sexless blob.
So... it is not a matter of dipping my toes into the shallow end. I was already ready to splash in the deep end BEFORE the pandemic hit. THIS is how I want to heal. I want to finally swim like I am capable of swimming now that her absurd tether has finally been removed.
However, the pandemic itself is a new barrier to my healing. It isn't the relationship part. It is the fact that relationships are off the table due to huge external limitations on intimacy. The longer this goes on, the less I feel that I will get the opportunity I am seeking and deeply want.
For those of you who DID find actual hetero love AFTER your miserable experience married to GID narcissists, what advice do you have?
Posted by Whirligig July 7, 2020 9:31 pm | #5 |
I can totally understand a desire to go full speed ahead after experiencing that but as a longtime single straight woman, I'll be honest, aggressiveness by men wanting to jump right into a relationship sets off as many red flags as the ones scared of intimacy. The latter took longer. I recommend going slow but not glacial. Not just for your sake emotionally but because for a lot of women that urgency usually translates to: just wants sex, doesn't care about me as a person, creepy, on-the-rebound, I-don't-feel-safe and then it's bye-bye buddy! I think part of why I ended up with two (only one certain) gay guys is because they didn't throw off that scary energy.
It's obviously caused its own version of problems for me but the point remains. If you're just after good times it might not matter, but if you want a quality relationship going slower might serve you better. Men aren't the only ones with unhealthy behaviors like being unstable alcoholics either and a slower approach might be wise as MJ was saying. However you approach it, I wish you excellent luck and hope you find someone great to connect with.
Posted by Lynne July 7, 2020 10:02 pm | #6 |
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Posted by Victo July 7, 2020 11:49 pm | #7 |
Again, I thank you for your responses. I do not mean to seem ungrateful, but I hope you all can imagine a middle ground between 'I'm never going to date again' and 'I just want sex right now.' Is there no middle ground between 0mph and 100mph?
Give me some credit, please.
Yes. I would like a heterosexual relationship that is fundamentally sexual in nature. I already put in the time in an abusive and non-sexual relationship. I do not need sex on the first date, nor is sex my first priority.
However, sex ABSOLUTELY IS UNEQUIVOCALLY a priority. I want to find a heterosexual relationship - and literally HALF of the word heterosexual is 'sexual'.
Before the pandemic, I was doing online dating, but the purpose of meeting people online was to meet in person. Now that 'in person' is out, I basically have zero desire to meet online. Online dating without any ability to meet in person is way too much like my marriage. If there is never to be any physical contact, what is the point?! Been there. Done that.
Posted by Whirligig July 8, 2020 12:39 am | #8 |
I'm pretty sure slow but not glacial is somewhere between 0-100. I'm not entirely sure what advice you're looking for here so just giving you my perspective. Take or leave it as it suits you. Maybe you'd find one of the older threads helpful. I think Phoenix's might still be found or some of the posts in the my stories section have been from people who managed to find new partners. I don't know many that explicitly address dating though. Unfortunately, you've got some limitations they didn't. Unless you're willing to expose yourself and your family to higher risk of Covid you'll probably have to get creative or focus on something else. I still think shared friends might be a good option. They know you, you can keep groups small while still having small get togethers, and low pressure for you and the other person. As for my advice? Who you are isn't always the impression you give is all I was trying to say. The other person and how quickly they want to go is always going to be part of the equation. It wasn't meant as an indictment of your character. Really, best of luck. No offense was meant.
Posted by Lyonene July 8, 2020 10:46 am | #9 |
"Before the pandemic, I was doing online dating, but the purpose of meeting people online was to meet in person. Now that 'in person' is out, I basically have zero desire to meet online. Online dating without any ability to meet in person is way too much like my marriage. If there is never to be any physical contact, what is the point?!"
People are cam meeting currently I believe. Having a "coffee date" over cam to see if chemistry is there and then getting to know one another. Nothing wrong with that, this quarantine isn't going to last forever. They'll meet in person when they can. In the meantime they have the ability to talk a great deal and get to know one another. There's not much a cam won't catch vs meeting "in person". Most guys want in person meetings to assure you ARE what your profile pics have displayed. Cams take care of that.
I'd rather meet a guy on cam personally. In person meetings have turned into pressure for me too often. Dude wants to touch me, kiss me, etc. Hard pass.
Posted by Rob July 8, 2020 11:25 am | #10 |
Victo,
I hear you...this pandemic has put a damper on social interaction. We can all feel it. Meetup the site/app , a popular way to meet people, might not be doing so well now. I
For me as I went through my divorce and after I found myself lingering and talking to everyone just a bit longer. This was because everyone was so much nicer and more normal than my GX. In time i went on a dating site because i concluded i deserved to talk to people..there was nothing wrong with me.
During the pandemic.. I would recommend joining a dating site and chatting with or getting to know someone online. As you chat with them..can they hold a conversation? Do they just answer in one word? Do they reply with some opinion or statement giving no information about themselves? Do they expect immediate replies?
While not human in person interaction its still social and you can get to know someone quite a bit talking to them this way.
For myself the decision was not as hard as i thought..i had trust issues like everyone here sure. But my GX was uniquely broken/hurtful..i realized even if i dated someone and they turned out to be gay and dumped me...they could not possibly hurt me as much as my GX did. She was not normal.
Good luck. Know that there are a lot of straight, normal,people out there..they are worth getting to know. We are also.