Posted by Ordinary guy July 1, 2021 5:23 am | #11 |
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
Sadday....just to add, at my (straight female) request my partner (bisexual male) of 37 years agreed to couples counseling but then refused after feeling 'got at' after 3-4 sessions. Up til then it had been me thinking I had to try to do everything and him thinking he didn't need to do anything.. That was the point I thought "why should I be doing the "finding answers" when this is his issue, not mine. So no more couples, just counselling for me alone. When I stopped being the instigator I started being able to see what was happening to me and my self-esteem. I became more important to what was happening to us.
Elle
This is sound advice Elle. Consider your own and your families interests as rationally as possible. Your wife is not capable of doing this at the moment. This is why:
If you take the whole sudden lesbian desire out of the equation and replace the current object of infatuation with any dopamine rewarding drug, you will see how this changes the way you view the “addict”. What you have on your hands is a human being, and all human beings are dopamine addicts of one sort or another. If you were to offer any compromise that still allows for a regular hit, it will be taken. It is stirring the same emotional response that you provided before. Your wife can still love you in a naturally maternal sense, but the romantic feeling of “being in love” is the physiological bonding need she is getting from her emotional interactions with this other woman. It seems alarming that the other woman has disposed of her husband already. The suggestion here is “Hi, I am available and ready to enter a full on relationship with you”.
Addicts can recover, they will always have the need to experience that initial high again. Be aware that the addict will agree to anything that will allow them to get a fix whenever they feel they need it. We all go for the Methadone of life to control the dopamine release, hobbies, alcohol, chocolate, sky diving or any thrill seeking activity. Unfortunately in life, those who cannot find love in their lives can resort to actual chemical loves that prove to be destructive to their own lives and those they are close to. This situation could lead to the same outcome.You can accept it for what it is, and every time the subject of her affection comes up swap her name out for Heroin instead of what she currently sees as her Heroine. Use this mindset when you are making your own rational decisions in the best interest of everyone.
4874 days…………
Posted by sadday2021 July 1, 2021 5:27 am | #12 |
MJM017 wrote:
I wanted to amend my answer a bit. Until this gets figured out, it may be best for your wife to avoid seeing this person at work. If not possible, perhaps change the department or find another job.
You raise all sorts of possibilities for the relationship, some which include her moving out. In my opinion, her not seeing this woman will give her a clearer and calmer mind about what next steps she wants to take. It gives you more breathing room and trust in her decision, as well.
The best to both of you.
Thanks yes, she is agreeing to no contact, and given the pain she seen its caused me, i think she's going to do her utmost to stick to it. But she knows as well as i do its a very difficult task. This woman will not let up. I said to my wife, if we need to legally separate so you can discover who you are, then we will, but not while you're under this spell. This other woman's unhealthy attraction to my wife was the trigger in all of this. My wife is also guilty but at least she's trying to maintain something between us. She's at least trying. She does now fully question her sexuality given the desires she's since discovered. It is strange though in the fact that she really was happily married, all until this other woman came along. Its as if she transitioned later in life. She swears she's never had these feelings for any women or woman before. I did read some articles about late blossoming lesbians, all of whom were happily married but ended up changing their sexual orientation later in life (typically their 40s once the children are older and less dependent on their mother) This seems to fall under my wife's category. Of course something had to of been buried deep down inside for this to surface. As i said i always had a bit of an inkling. She does have some tomboy in her. Despite being very cute and magnetic, she was never the type of girl to get her nails or hair done or wear a dress Just naturally attractive. But i was ok with it, as i said, we got along, the love was / is there.
We are talking and she seems to be coming round to making rational decisions now, showing immense care and affection for each other. Holding hands and hugging. She realizes that if she needs to explore who she really is, then she has to leave her job. There's no way she can just work part time and keep her neck above water. She doesn't know for herself if once the love fades for this other woman will she want me back. Sex has never been at the top of her priority list. She may realize the grass isn't greener on the other side, and what we had overall is / was far more important. But she also knows she can't go on knowing what she now knows without going through and discovering herself. If i was to give a fair assessment, she's never going to make a clear decision while she has feelings for this other woman. We are trying to be 100% honest with each other.
Posted by OutofHisCloset July 1, 2021 10:30 am | #13 |
Sad day,
Being a tomboy says nothing about one's sexual orientation. Or one's gender identity, for that matter. I taught a lot of college softball players who resented being thought to be lesbian.
If your wife decides to cut ties, she cuts ties; she doesn't "do her utmost" to cut ties. I still think there's more going on than meets the eye or that your wife is willing to 'fess up to: it strains credulity that the other woman would leave her husband and take her four children on a mere attraction and not an action.
I do applaud your getting through to your wife that if she wants to leave and explore her sexuality, then she's going to have to pony up to pay her own keep by getting a full-time job. That's only fair. I hope, too, that if she decides to stay with you it's not because of the financial/work incentive.
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Posted by Daryl July 1, 2021 11:25 am | #14 |
I agree with what OutofHisCloset and longwayhome say in the two replies before this one.
Cutting ties means exactly that - change your mobile #, block on social media, get a court cease and desist order if it turns into harassment. Your wife does not have to accept this persons active pursuit.
Marriage is a commitment. You're in it or you're out of it. When in it, you are always working on it.
Yes, you can support her, that is your choice. After 30 years it's understandable to not want to just jettison and walk away. Please remember to also support yourself and avoid negotiating away your core values.
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Posted by Abby July 1, 2021 11:42 am | #15 |
Thank you for pointing this out, OutofHisCloset. I not an athlete but I was not a "girlie" girl. My interests just did not include hair, nails and Barbies. If I were a lesbian I suppose I would have been happy when my GXH lost interest in sex with me but unfortunately for him, he'd married a straight woman. That said, much as I craved male affection and intimacy I would have shut down fast any man showing an interest. That would have upended the family and my children deserved better.
Whatever the future holds for your marriage it is only prudent for your wife to find full-time employment ASAP. Here in the US the headlines are filled with stories about employers are having trouble filling jobs. This career move would take her away from the co-worker and remove some of the pressures as both of you make decisions.
Posted by sadday2021 July 1, 2021 1:26 pm | #16 |
I'm sorry if i offended anyone about my tomboy comments. I am just trying to make sense of all of this and going crazy in my mind saying to myself what signs were there. Again i apologize. This forum is of a great service to people going though what i'm going through. I want to thank each and every one of you for taking time out in your day to offer help and support for the likes of me.
Love you all.
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Posted by Daryl July 1, 2021 2:30 pm | #17 |
"... for the likes of me"
We're all worthy. Do not allow the possible gay thing to lower your self-esteem.
Posted by Abby July 1, 2021 2:58 pm | #18 |
Sadday2021, I did not mean to put you down. I don't want straight men to write off straight women just because they to share certain characteristics with their former partners who turned out to be lesbians.
And I'm sorry I dissed Barbies. I always wanted a tool set.
Posted by Abby July 1, 2021 3:00 pm | #19 |
Delete "to" please
Posted by OutofHisCloset July 1, 2021 3:18 pm | #20 |
SadDay,
I admit to a hair trigger on your comment. My trans identifying ex, in order to feel more feminine, told me he liked my "butchness," and wanted me to remake myself into a "lesbian" to suit his new idea of himself. I'm sorry I pounced. Your explanation that you were merely trying to figure it all out makes perfect sense to me, and I'm sorry I didn't pick up on that.