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August 22, 2017 1:48 pm  #1


Irrefutable proof.....

 :/

Last edited by Ellexoh (September 2, 2017 12:06 pm)


KIA KAHA                       
 

August 22, 2017 2:16 pm  #2


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

My spouse left her computer accessible and her facebook messenger conversations were easy to find.  

I would just give you a little advice.  Be careful what you ask for.  I know you are tortured by your lack of 100% proof.  But rest assured, when you find that proof it opens up a new wound that hurts more than words can describe.  There is no pain like reading your treasured spouse talk about how great the sex was and how excited they are to do it again.  I'm more than a year removed and it still hurts a lot. 

Sometimes you are better off trusting your gut and not having the exact details because those details burn into your soul. 
 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

August 22, 2017 2:33 pm  #3


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

I do know of people here who have gotten private investigators.  Not many, but some.  I can't say that they were any more mentally settled over their findings than those who were left wondering were.  If you intend to confront your spouse with the supposed findings, there won't be the reaction you're hoping for.  There would be no, "Omg, WHAT have I done?  Omg, I'm SO sorry.  I've been horrific to you.  Let's go to counseling and I'll be open about all areas of my life from now on."  They will have excuses, they will play the blame game (you know the one - the one where they fault YOU for not TRUSTING them!).  They will say you drove them to it, or that that's just a friend, etc.  Blah, blah, blah.  All lies.

For me, it came down to knowing that no matter what was wrong, it wasn't getting better.  And it wasn't going to.  I walked because I wasn't happy, and he didn't seem to care enough to even be affected by that.  I saw no change over 16 years, so how much was I going to see over the next 15?  I decided I didn't want to choose to be in an unhappy, stagnant marriage.  It was only later that I learned that he was actually gay.  But even if I'd never learned that, I'd still be happy today that I chose to walk away from choosing unhappiness.

Please keep in mind that there are no good answers here.  There are bad scenarios, and there are worse than bad scenarios.  Worse than bad is when you find out your spouse is gay because you've been given a disease from their cheating.  Or having their boyfriend contact you to say that you're getting in their way.  Bad is figuring out that your spouse is gay.  It is not less bad when you know exactly what they've done in the bedroom with the other individuals.  It gives your brain images you don't even want - despite feeling like you do want them.  I've been asked many a question by others that I don't have the answers to - because I never asked them of my ex.  Things like, "How can he be gay and still have slept with you?"  I have no idea.  What the fuck does it matter, ya know?  I need to describe his compartmentalism to them in order for my story to be understood?  I don't need anyone else to understand it - Iiiiiiii understand it.  They want to know when he realized.  Is there a good answer to that?  If I'd asked my ex that and he said "I JUST figured it out yesterday", I'd think that maybe ending things was premature (even though things had been "off" for a decade).  If he'd said, "Years ago", I'd have been upset that he'd kept this from me for years.  If he'd said, "All along", I'd have been mortified that I'd been played that long, and beyond angry that he did this to me.  There IS no good answer.  The specifics don't matter.  What matters is that you're unhappy, you've tried to express this to him, and it's not fixed.  If, on TOP of that, you feel that the root cause of the problem is something that can't POSSIBLY be fixed, then it's just more proof that walking is the only option.

Do what you need to do.  But know that you likely won't be any more happy no matter what results you find.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

August 22, 2017 8:48 pm  #4


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

Yeah... just the fact that you distrust them and feel in your gut/bones  that they are up to no good..its a horrible way to live.    I agree with Phoenix...when I found the horrible proof it was crushing.  Horrifying.  Even more sick, evil and warped was watching my GX act like there was nothing going on and what she was doing was normal.and morally ok... on what planet?    

I guess what I'm trying to say is the proof solved nothing.. it offered no solutions... only hurt and grief.   My family finally told me to stop reading and looking..you know what you will find ..horrible stuff.  

Again just the fact that you feel you have to snoop says something is fundamentally wrong..  A spouse should not make you feel that way...its not you....you dont need proof to prove its not you..  You are not wrong for distrusting.     Snoop.   It may help the cognitive dissonance   We need to live in reality.   But realize it will hurt and offer no solution in itself.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

September 11, 2017 2:19 pm  #5


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

I've come to the realisation that the only proof I need....is the acknowledgment I no longer want to be 
THIS UNHAPPY.  
Saying the words this morning to the silent brick wall that lay beside me " I don't want to be this unhappy. I 
don't want the homosexual you, I want the heterosexual you and I know that's impossible because you have to be who you are just as I have to be who I am" 
He was silent through all this.
 
The first steps are the hardest to take....especially when I thought my life was fine, then realised it was not....in fact it had changed to *unrecognisable*.....and now, in having to catch up to where He is means 
re-evaluating EVERYTHING in My life up to this point....you'd think those first steps to break away from it 
would be easy, cathartic, liberating. They are not. 

 


KIA KAHA                       
     Thread Starter
 

September 11, 2017 3:59 pm  #6


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

This is a watershed moment for you Ellexoh and a breakthrough in how you process this situation. 

Regardless of his sexuality, he is not a good spouse.  He isn't loving you as you deserve.  He isn't putting you first.  You need to put yourself first since he isn't. 

You are so right.. those first steps are the hardest.  Take your time and be kind to yourself.  

Let us know how we can help cheer you on as you move forward with your life.  


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

September 11, 2017 5:14 pm  #7


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

Ellexoh,

YES - you've got it now.  You've hit that nail on the head.

You would think that the realization would be cathartic, but it doesn't really feel that way at the time.  I think because the realization brings with it the inevitability of big changes, which are scary and uncertain at this point in time. Over time though, you will likely come to see that your entire journey of a happier life began with this day, and with that realization.  And there will be many more realizations now, too.  Some that empower you, and some that make you sad.  All bumps in the road.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

September 14, 2017 6:00 am  #8


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

Well Done Ellexoh!  That is such a helpful post.  You get to decide. 

You have a husband who wants things his way.  And it is making you unhappy. 

I had proof of sorts - he told me he had an affair with a woman in response to me saying I was divorcing him because he was gay.  Much later he told me gone to toilets for blow jobs around 26 times.  I knew about porn and a gaydar profile, and he googled male massage just after he arrived at his new apt in a new city... but he denied and lied until quite late in the divorce process.

It is still hard for me because I have always thought of the husband I had - before I knew.  Or actually the projection I had, the chimera of the person I thought he was.  And I remembered the comforts and the ease of being a wife and all that gave me.  But after he disclosed his affair, after all the years of worry and fear and gaslighting and feeling it was all ME.  I knew I could never really be happy with this person and that his interests/action had never really been to do with my happiness.  He feels he did me a huge favour staying with me so long as we had kids which is just another aspect of his demeaning attitude towards my abilities as a capable adult person.

To stay together what he wanted was for me to shut up and never mention it again despite the fact that the knowledge I had of his betrayals was so incredibly painful.  His attitude was 'get over it'  and stop mentioning it because it makes me uncomfortable (not to mention defensive and verbally abusive!)

And after the divorce and to this day he blames me and says I chose this.  NO I chose to remove myself from an abusive situation that was detrimental to my mental health.  And still if I do get in contact at all he does twist things and it still makes me feel crazy like I used to.

Soooo...

You go girl.  This other side place has its unhappiness too, but at least you have exercised your right to choose freedom from his agenda. 

I'm so sorry though as it is scary and hard.  I have felt so bereft on my own and it isn't what I would have wished for my family or myself at this stage in my life.

Kel is so right (as usual) - bumps in the road now....keep going!  Sending strength.

Last edited by Leah (September 14, 2017 6:14 am)

 

September 14, 2017 6:25 am  #9


Re: Irrefutable proof.....

Leah,
 I'd like to highlight your entire post!  But in the interests of emphasis I'll highlight only this part, because I think it applies to so many of us.  It certainly hit the nail on the head for me.

It is still hard for me because I have always thought of the husband I had - before I knew.  Or actually the projection I had, the chimera of the person I thought he was.  And I remembered the comforts and the ease of being a wife and all that gave me.  But after he disclosed his affair, after all the years of worry and fear and gaslighting and feeling it was all ME.  I knew I could never really be happy with this person and that his interests/action had never really been to do with my happiness.  He feels he did me a huge favour staying with me so long as we had kids which is just another aspect of his demeaning attitude towards my abilities as a capable adult person.

Ellexoh,  It does sound as if you've had a a-ha moment.  It will be followed, I'm sure, by more of them.
 

 

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