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Known him for 35+ years. We are in our 50's. He just shared with me 3 days ago that he is a heavily invested cross-dresser, complete with a storage unit hiding most of the goodies, and wants us to go out and "have fun" in a welcoming community. He's not out of the closet but says in drag no one would recognize her as him. That same night he put on special night wear and I saw him in a bit of drag for the first time. I guess it makes him, I mean her feel sexy, but it is a complete turn off for me. He tells me when he is in drag, I shall refer to him as "she", and that "she" has a different name. We have an adult child together. I missed the warning sign of body hair shaving which started years ago. He initially said that was for participating in sports. I told him the shaving stubble on his chest felt like sandpaper to my body, and was extremely uncomfortable, he got mad and didn't speak to me for 3 months back then. I told him I find his natural body hair attractive. I was very confused about why he would not want to be naturally attractive to me, it seems so effortless. The man I was initially attracted to had body hair. I know there is a section on this forum to tell our stories and maybe someday I will sit here and go into all the details. I am still in shock, of course. How could I have not stumbled across his stash of girl-y clothes and make up all these years. I am not a "snooper". So now what, when he puts on a "nightie" and we go to bed, he is she? I have no sexual attraction to women AT ALL. I have no way of anticipating in advance of which moments he will choose to express as she. He has put me in the position of having to figure out how to tell him (or will it be her when I am bringing it up) that we simply can't be a couple. We can be buds. I would not mind going out with "her" in drag, but it would definitely be platonic. He is not out of the closet, so I can't talk this crap over with my friends. This man (when he is wearing male clothes), misrepresented to me for DECADES. This woman (when she is wearing female clothes) is someone I do not know. I just didn't see this coming. This PERSON is someone that I used to trust. I have no idea what all has been going on behind my back during our relationship. I know I am rambling...what I am hoping for is some suggestions on how to have the "TALK" with him/her, that our relationship has just evolved into no more than platonic, effective immediately. Our future simply cannot be as "partners". I don't want to deny him/her an intimate relationship, but she would need to find someone attracted to "she"s. Do I just break up with him/her? Or do we live together as "roomies". I am SO CONFUSED and DAZED and UPSET. Now that he has told me, I have no doubt I would be spending a heck of a lot of time with "her". Thank you all for being here, since I'm not allowed to "out" him/her by telling any of my friends what just happened that turned MY world upside down. I'm also afraid that he might be trolling sites to see if I post anything anywhere, and he might bust me for reaching out to other like-minded people. It's just so awkward that he/she has all the current social support celebrating the rights of the LGBTQ community, while as the unsuspecting heterosexual partner I get to suffer in silence. HELP!
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Hi snookered,
Welcome, so sorry this is happening to you, but so glad you found us. First of all I have zero experience with trans, my experience is with over 30 years of my life being stolen by a gay in denial now ex spouse that did whatever he could, including doing major damage to his kids to keep his secret life a secret. But there are similarities, namely some significant changing of the rules and just expecting you to just accept it and go along with it, and embrace it. That's 100& BS! There are some wonderful women on here that I'm sure will chime in that are also dealing with this issue. You are not responsible for keeping his secret, and you have a right to talk to somebody you trust to get some support and guidance. He doesn't get to make all the decisions here. You matter ! And we have all questioned ourselves, trust me, they are quite good at this. You loved and trusted, and in a loving relationship, shouldn't have to snoop. What do you want? Keep breathing, it's like getting hit by a bus right now, we are here for you.
Keep posting.
Hugs
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Dear Snookered,
Of course you are confused, dazed, and upset. He's been secretly indulging in a sexual fetish, which is a betrayal of you--you're supposed to be his intimate partner. Now he's reached a point at which indulging alone part time doesn't satisfy his escalating need, the phase in which he needs you to validate him while he indulges more frequently and openly.
You are in the "shock" phase, but you are already entering the "bargaining" phase (the "what can we be to each other phase?"). Because you are still invested in your marriage and in the partner you thought you had (but are beginning to realize you didn't/don't) you need to make a special effort to begin to think about what YOU want and need, and not what HE wants and needs, or how you can accommodate him. You can already see that he is not interested in accommodating you--witness the you "shall" refer to him by his bs woman name. My husband came out with a version of this, telling me exactly how I would be expected to please him in bed, as if it dictating what form our sex life would take was his right. This means you need to establish boundaries, the ones that will make YOU comfortable. And #1 is that he can call himself what he wants, but he can't insist that his reality become yours; call him by his name, not his bs woman name.
There's no "good" or "ideal" way to have the talk: you just have to tell him, and the sooner the better, before he starts parading around the house in front of you. If he starts doing this, and you don't object, he will take this as a sign that he can do this with impunity. Believe me, he won't ask--or ask more than once! He doesn't really want to have to talk; he wants to push your boundaries to see how small you can make yourself--what he can get away with without having to negotiate.
Seeing him dressed up upsets you, so tell him you don't want to see him dressed up. If the idea of having sex as some offensive idea of a "lesbian couple" puts you off (believe me, what he will imagine "lesbian sex" will be like is nothing like what lesbian sex is really like), tell him no dice (and think about that: what kind of sex life will you have it it's always on his terms, which means he acts like a sexually submissive pornofied f---me doll?), if sleeping in the same bed with him makes you uncomfortable, move to another room.
I'm some two years past "disclosure day" myself, and so I do know what you're going through, as do others here. Take some time to read some posts--those by "whatasham" will be especially relevant to you. Read J. Michael Bailey's "The Man Who Would be Queen," because Bailey, a psychologist, has an excellent description of autogynephilia, and a checklist that you will undoubtedly see fits your husband.
And write and vent.
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Welcome to this forum. Unlike many of us you are not legally married and if ever there was a good reason to break up this is it.
He wants to do girls night on the town: you aren't a lesbian so at the end of the evening you go home missing the man who isn't there anymore. What a dreary and depressing existence for you.
Look ahead: the past is in the past. If there are occasions where both of you need to be present for your adult child it sounds likely he will present himself as male which should make it easier for you to do what the occasion calls for. Otherwise there seems to be no reason to keep in contact with him/her.
Your child doesn't need to know the intimate details although saying "There was someone else" springs to mind if pressed for a reason.
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Why does he think he's allowed to hide this from you for decades and then completely rewrite your relationship and that you're not allowed to say anything about it? You most certainly get a say in this. This very important aspect of his life was hidden from you. That was some combination of selfish and cowardly and, as you said, your trust is broken. In my opinion, marriages need mutual respect. Any yes, we are expected to suffer in silence. That is why this board is so helpful.
I'm not sure exactly what you should say or how to approach it but you've suggested a few things already. You're not interested in women. I'm guessing you're not looking for a secret new female BFF. You don't know this female persona and you're not comfortable with the idea. It is almost like opening up your marriage to a third party. Probably the best thing to do is not make any hasty decisions, especially if you are leaning towards "it's over". Quietly make some plans, learn the legalities in your jurisdiction, find some support either professionally or someone close to you who can listen and keep it confidential.
One more thought before I let others offer their thoughts. If you think he is surreptitiously trying to follow you and see what you may be saying, what does that say about him? Remember this board is public so be careful about revealing too many identifiable life facts.
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New Trans Widow,
In rereading your post I'm alarmed at the way you characterize the situation, that he has said you "shall" call him by "her" name, that you are not "allowed" to out him (that you must stay in his closet). Is there some fear that he might react violently? Are you safe?
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I would not participate in this autogyn delusion. She/her references would be out the window for me.
If he came to you and said "I'm a deer now, you will refer to me as doe while I'm in my deer costume. I will be sleeping in my deer costume and we will be having deer sex. You will not out me as a deer to anyone, but instead participate in my deer fantasy life." You'd think he'd lost his mind. Yet somehow it's different that he's claiming to be a type of human being he can never be? If it hinges on being human, replace all I said above with a white man now claiming to be black because the idea of being black is sexy and he gets erections from black-face makeup and afro wigs.
It's just so awkward that he/she has all the current social support celebrating the rights of the LGBTQ community, while as the unsuspecting heterosexual partner I get to suffer in silence.
Plenty of LGB individuals understand that trans/queer are not orientation based issues. They are fetishes or paraphilias riding on the coattails of the LGB rights cause. The social justice warriors that crusade for trans inclusion are most often extremely liberal hetero people with little to no understanding what they are crusading for.
I'm terribly sorry you find yourself in this position. Having your life turned upsidedown for the sake of someone's sexual delusion is a horrible place to be.
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OutofHisCloset wrote:
New Trans Widow,
In rereading your post I'm alarmed at the way you characterize the situation, that he has said you "shall" call him by "her" name, that you are not "allowed" to out him (that you must stay in his closet). Is there some fear that he might react violently? Are you safe?
Bless your heart, OutofHisCloset, for your intuition. On a side note, he does also have a substance abuse problem which used to escalate into arguments, and he was physically abusive. I went to counseling. I learned I could not change him, so I changed me. I learned not to antagonize him when he was drinking. The beatings stopped years ago, when our child was 4 years old, who has since grown up and moved out. Since the beatings stopped, I felt like I had made a big accomplishment. And we actually separated for years over him abusing me physically. Why did I go back? He can be very charming. I do not engage in any potentially threatening topics of discussion when he is drunk. When he is sober, which is what he shows the world, everyone loves him. He is a closet alcoholic. Back then, one of my coworkers told me I had made my own bed, now I needed to learn to lay in it. I adjusted. My late father was an alcoholic, so I suspect I was conditioned at an early age that if you love an alcoholic, there are concessions that must be made. He's not drunk most of the time. Just at night. I will stay safe. Thank you for caring. And thank you for making me remember he has a history of being a wife beater. I took the blame, that it was my fault for verbally pissing him off, so I've walked on egg shells for years and kept quiet, which meets the goal of not getting hit or otherwise manhandled. I do have a temporary safe place to go. I've read the book "I Don't Want To Be Alone". I know I've got some work ahead of me because I still have the chance to become a stronger woman, and to build a better life. It's going to be a tough road. So glad I found you and others here! Thanks again!
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Hi snookered,
Welcome, so sorry this is happening to you, but so glad you found us. First of all I have zero experience with trans, my experience is with over 30 years of my life being stolen by a gay in denial now ex spouse that did whatever he could, including doing major damage to his kids to keep his secret life a secret. But there are similarities, namely some significant changing of the rules and just expecting you to just accept it and go along with it, and embrace it. That's 100& BS! There are some wonderful women on here that I'm sure will chime in that are also dealing with this issue. You are not responsible for keeping his secret, and you have a right to talk to somebody you trust to get some support and guidance. He doesn't get to make all the decisions here. You matter ! And we have all questioned ourselves, trust me, they are quite good at this. You loved and trusted, and in a loving relationship, shouldn't have to snoop. What do you want? Keep breathing, it's like getting hit by a bus right now, we are here for you.
Keep posting.
Hugs
Dee, thanks for the hugs! What do I want? To be able to trust someone as my life partner! Now, after being fooled for dozens of years, I can't trust the old saying that "time will tell" to be viable, considering natural human life span expectancy. He has robbed me of that. I'm too old already to have a chance to be fooled again for the length of time I've been living his lie. Certainly, I will proceed with caution. I'm kinda thinking being single sounds like a good idea. Right now, I am exhausted contemplating what happens next...
Thank you for the warm welcome, and for being here. I feel a bit guilty for being in the beginning stages of shock/recovery from this ordeal, and look forward to the day when I can help others who wind up here.