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March 13, 2017 8:55 pm  #391


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

   "Happy blogger" is telling the only story that's allowed to be told: gay/trans spouse reveals him/herself, spouse and children clap their hands and say "Yay!"  
   I believe it was Sham who reported on the hang-dog looks of all the wives who'd capitulated at a "support group" (read: re-education camp) for the wives of the transgendered, and drove away as quickly as she could.
   Listen: I make my living analyzing story forms and interpreting stories (I'm a literature professor).  When I watched "Grace and Frankie" it was right after what I then called "the trans reveal" and I was incensed at the way the show was written.  Of course it was the WIVES who became the support group (after one of the husbands has a heart attack), because MEN aren't expected to "understand."  And the children all just fell into line and helped plan the wedding.  "Transparent"?  Don't get me started.  Of course the main character is already divorced! You think that isn't deliberate?  A wife would be too inconvenient to the narrative of "finding oneself, coming out, and celebrating the 'authentic' self"!    
  Ok: I'm a little bitter tonight, so I'll end this now.

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March 13, 2017 9:13 pm  #392


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I am thinking that the "Happy Blogger" being discussed is the woman described in this story: http://extratv.com/2017/03/11/mommy-blogger-announces-divorce-from-gay-husband-it-was-our-secret/ 

I never heard of her or the blog before and I don't think that I have read anything since this became news which indicates exactly when she became aware that he had same-sex attractions.

If they came from conservative Christian backgrounds however it could have been something that she actually entered marriage knowing, believing that their love and faith would enable them to overcome this temptation together. And there are clergy who still encourage this. 


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March 14, 2017 1:52 am  #393


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Thank you Abby and others for sharing. I agree with OutofHisCloset that the narrative is wrong. Firstly, it's almost exclusively a male-centred narrative. So most of what we're seeing in press reports or on television centres around either gay men coming out or men transitioning to female. I too tend to focus almost exclusively on the gay husband as I have very little experience with gay wives other than posts from Lostdad or Rob. Second, outside of this forum I rarely hear about the straight spouse's struggles. This is so wrong.

​I remember reading an article years ago that described the typical barbecue. It went something like this: mom does all the shopping; she cleans the house; sets the table; prepares the salad; sets out drinks; marinates the meat; and makes hamburger patties. Dad cooks meat on the barbecue for 15 minutes, walks in, and we all applaud him...including mom! The same is true in a gay/straight relationship. Society applauds the gay spouse's "courage" while the straight spouse is left to do most of the heavy lifting. It's wrong and my time here has forced me to see things from your perspective, rather than from a fluffy "People" magazine perspective.

​As I've written before, "gay" doesn't excuse the lying, cheating, and narc-like behaviour on the part of gay spouses like me. Similarly, a divorce is simply a divorce. It's traumatic, painful, and life-altering, particularly for the kids. I don't see how a divorce turns into a wonderful life experience simply because one of the divorcing spouses is gay. Children suffer in any divorce so perhaps it's time to stop sticking rainbow flags in their hands and calling the end of their families "beautiful."

​And once out, it's no pride parade my friends. I'm sure this is why so many of your ex-husbands and ex-wives get angry and depressed. We're told it's all glitter and angel wings after coming out but the reality isn't quite so "fabulous." For gay parents, it means seeing our children much less or perhaps half the time. As for relationships, yes it's relatively easy to hook up in the gay (male) community, but we quickly and often violently learn that flings aren't intimacy. I've also realized that most of the gay community is seriously f*cked up. Lots of problems due to hiding in the closet in my opinion. Few of my gay friends have stable relationships or they bounce from boyfriend to boyfriend with very dramatic ends. I was shocked SHOCKED to discover that me, a gay ex-husband with three kids, was actually one of the most normal people among my gay friends. I also have one of the longest and most stable relationships. I credit my time here with helping me understand the struggle from a straight spouse's perspective. And I'm afraid your voices are lost in a tidal wave of disco balls and rainbow flags. It's wrong.

​I wish the mom blogger and her gay husband lots of luck. But I can't help but feel that she's continuing a false narrative that coming out solves everything, self-discovery is more important than family, and that this new divorced life will somehow be better. I look forward to her follow up post in about 18 months. Maybe then we'll get the real story.  

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March 14, 2017 10:39 am  #394


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I think I read that the "happy blogger" knew he was gay for a number of years and it was THEIR secret. And now is the right time to tell the kids and come out to the world, divorce and move on doing family dinners, family vacations etc etc etc!!! All so amicable  But as you say Sean we'll see about her follow up in approx 18mths time!

I do know a couple in my hometown (actually I'm aware of two couples in this situation over the last 15yrs or so) but for one of the couples he, in my opinion was an out and out homosexual even while married. When I first met him I couldn't believe he was married, to the point that my STBX and I had a conversation about him being so GAY, he can't be married (little did I know what was going on under my own nose - not with this guy though!!). This guy (a hairdresser) eventually came out, is married to a guy, his ex wife has a partner of her own and the four of them along with the couple's two children have "family" dinners, including Christmas together! The original couple still run a business together...........I'm not sure I understand how that works!
 


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March 14, 2017 2:41 pm  #395


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Okay Sean.  I know you may have answered this question a million times but here it comes again.  I have read from other gay men that they cannot stand to be with a woman.  They have tried but said that the thought of it makes their skin crawl. So now to the other spectrum. I have read on this forum that a man married three different woman, is now 72 and was gay the whole time!  I know my ex could perform with me and enjoy it in the beginning, but the more he watched gay porn the less interest he had in me.  Now getting ready to marry another woman (counseling and no porn)  who does not see him as gay.  Is this where the term bi comes?  I believe ex would be much more sexual satisfied if he felt comfortable and not in denial  of his gay feelings. we use to have great sex!  Did he just get bored and wanted to look to sex with men?

 

March 14, 2017 3:24 pm  #396


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​Hi Linda. Thank you for writing. In reply:

1. I have read from other gay men that they cannot stand to be with a woman.  They have tried but said that the thought of it makes their skin crawl. 

I'm assuming that you're straight. If yes, it would be similar to you hearing your entire life that you should be attracted to women and should also marry a woman. So you marry a woman and dutifully have sex with her, not unlike how I slept with my straight wife for years. But you're sleeping with the wrong sex so there is no passion and you eventually start making excuses not to have sex because you just don't enjoy it. I'd say that now I could not see myself ever having sex with a woman again. I wouldn't be able to do it. But I'm not repulsed by women nor their bodies.  

2. I have read on this forum that a man married three different woman, is now 72 and was gay the whole time! 

​I'm not that surprised. I have a theory that the older the gay spouse, the more entrenched the denial. A man aged 72 remembers when being gay was illegal and remembers when gay men were vilified and lynched.

3. I know my ex could perform with me and enjoy it in the beginning, but the more he watched gay porn the less interest he had in me. 

This follows a familiar pattern. It's not the gay porn that turns a gay husband off of sex with his wife, it's his growing awareness of his true (homo) sexuality. Porn was nothing but a catalyst for something that was bound to happen: namely his lack of interest in sex with women.  

4. Now getting ready to marry another woman (counseling and no porn)  who does not see him as gay.  Is this where the term bi comes?  I believe ex would be much more sexual satisfied if he felt comfortable and not in denial  of his gay feelings. we use to have great sex!  Did he just get bored and wanted to look to sex with men?

What do you consider great sex? I could 'perform' with my wife, particularly in my 20s and 30s, but had to fantasize about men in order to maintain my erection and orgasm. So I can't mistake performance for enjoyment. I can only speak about my own experience. As I got older, it became harder and harder to deny my attraction for men. Before coming out, my wife and I hadn't had sex for almost two years. This tapering off coincided with an increase in watching porn. Now out, I haven't watched any porn in over two years. I no longer needed it. Getting back to your question, I'd need more information to provide an opinion about your and your husband. But if your sex life cooled off and then stopped while he increasingly turned to porn and gay hookups, perhaps it was more a case of your former husband accepting his true sexuality. Not boredom.

​I hope that helps in some small way Linda. Please write again if I haven't answered your questions.

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March 15, 2017 3:39 pm  #397


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Well done JK for reaching out to her. That demonstrates a lot of courage and initiative. I look forward to reading the updated version of events.

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March 16, 2017 8:21 am  #398


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

JK started a fascinating thread http://straightspouse.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=595 about her husband distancing himself from the kids. As a gay ex-husband, I've experienced a similar disconnect with my own kids and am happy to share my journey.

​By way of background, I experienced gay attraction at age 5, suppressed it, met a girlfriend at age 18, married her at age 27, and had three kids starting from 30-37. I came out at 40, divorced at 43, and am now 45. My wife has primary custody. I started posting on this forum last autumn.

​Gay people have a lot of emotional problems. And I'm just writing about gay people who come out in their teens or 20s. Coming out is emotionally traumatic but coming out to a straight spouse, divorcing, and breaking up a family is nothing short of soul-destroying. What's worse is that we've chosen to do these things so we can't justifiably play both aggressor and victim. I've read a lot of posts here from straight spouses who refer to their gay husbands (sorry Rob and Lostdad) as distant, guarded, or somehow 'playing a role.' This was my experience. I was playing straight my whole life. Yes I was a good dad, but I lived with the fear that people would find out my secret. When that secret came out, I went into a very deep and dark depression.

Now please don't think I'm trying to play the victim card. I firmly believe straight spouses are the heroes here...particularly straight spouses who continue raising kids. I cheated on my wife. I lied about it. I was a narc-like *sshole to her. I own it all and have apologized for my past behaviour. I'm sharing all of this to explain why so many gay husbands distance themselves from their kids. After separation, I went through a very deep and dark depression. After coming out, I expected pride parades, disco balls, and glitter. The reality was an empty apartment, angry kids, hostile in-laws, and loneliness. I'd spent my entire life pretending and getting validated for my Oscar-worthy performance. I'd built an entire life around a mask and that mask had fallen.

​My ex-wife was a stay-at-home mom. I supported the family and she raised our kids. So she did the majority of the child rearing. For the last five years of my marriage, I was angry and withdrawn. It was neglect. I was lost in a fog of anger, cheating, and screen addictions (mainly porn). In short, I wasn't a dad. And at the very lowest point of my relationship with my kids, I told them I'd be divorcing their mother. I've built an entire life on validation so when challenged, I tend to run. This includes running from my children's disapproval. As Kel described in a recent post, I too am the gay dad who got lazy. The less time I spent with my kids, the less time they wanted to spend with me, and down it went. I'm now starting to address this but it's an uphill battle rebuilding relationships with kids who feel a mixture of love and hate for their dad. But I'll get there. 

​I do want a relationship with my kids but I have to overcome my aversion to people who don't immediately validate me. I have to overcome relationship laziness. I want it to be 'easy' because I've always surrounded myself with enablers and cheerleaders. I went from playing the perfect dad to being a 'bad dad' and 'faggot.' This is why I believe gay fathers distance themselves from their kids, whether or not we come out. But it's now 100% up to me to rebuild a relationship with my kids. I can't involve (nor blame) my ex-wife. As Kel recently shared:

"Your ex's relationship with his kids is now firmly his and only his to manage.  He CAN do it.  He just feels too sorry for himself to take the reigns.  That's his problem, though.  He led his life dishonestly enough that it's now affecting every aspect of his life.  So be it.  You're not his babysitter.  Think about what it would be like if HE had custody - how far you'd be willing to go to make sure you're informed about their grades, their health, their social and emotional issues.  You wouldn't rely on him to do anything but pass on information that comes to only you (like a call from the school or the police).  If you would go out of your way to be involved with the kids, then he can, too.  Let him step up to the plate.  You can offer him assistance like, "I added your name to the online grade system", and then give him a link and the password - ONCE.  After that, if he contacts you for the info, just tell him he can find the link through School District X's website, and let him do the rest.  If he can't, then he's either not capable or not interested.  And that's HIS problem."

100% agree! Please feel free to send me your questions.  

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March 18, 2017 9:13 am  #399


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Sean,

It's me again, I wanted to run a situation by you that really has me confused. My STBX is leaving in May to go to medical school in Portland, Oregon. As predicted he has "decided" to go out there first, and get set up then send for me when the "time is right"? Really? does he really believe I am buying that? or is he just trying to make his own life easier? I have accepted that my marriage is over, that I have to move out of our rental and that I will eventually have to file bankruptcy. (a lot to accept, but it is what it is) 

The thing that bothers me, (the one for today at least) is that he has the nerve to tell me that he is "scared" to go out there alone and that it will be so much easier when I get there to help him. (what planet is he on? remind me not to visit.) Why is he playing this passive aggressive game with me? He still hasn't taken steps to buy his plane ticket? But wants me to find one and arrange to a pay for it. I am seriously considering starting a go fund me page titled, "help me get him out of my life and get divorced". Is this normal before a GID man finally comes out? He finally told one of the kids, she's openly gay and has been for a while.

I'm waiting for that one to blow up in his face. As I am sure she will tell her mother (his first wife) about it. Since her mother is such a treat I am sure she will tell the rest of his family. Oh well, at least it wasn't me.

What is all of his going back and forth about? He needs to just accept himself, man up, and quit with these games. My Army training is kicking in and it's about to get ugly around my house. How do I get him to grow up BEFORE we get to that point?

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March 18, 2017 9:30 am  #400


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

And to make matters worse? I am seriously thinking about going if he sends, not because I want him, but because there is nothing left for me here. That and the job market for my degree is in high demand there. Now, how screwed up is that?


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