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January 10, 2017 11:37 am  #211


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I totally agree with Ruby.  I think that the children of a gay spouse deserve to know the truth - even if it hurts them.  Living a lie is never the right thing for anyone.  The truth often causes pain, but it is temporary.  The ramifications may be permanent (or may not), but they are that person's decisions to make - not ours as their parent.

My kids cried when they found out their father was gay (they were 14, 10 and 8).  But they became accepting over time.  They're 20, 16 and 13 now.  They are all accepting of his lifestyle now.  He's living authentically, and so are they.  Because my kids know the truth but didn't know the details of what went down in our marriage, it's opened up opportunities for especially my daughter and I to discuss relationships and how our choices affect our future.  How water always trickles downhill.  I have revealed things to her over time according to her understanding that I feel will stay with her and help her into adulthood.  Things like how sex within a relationship is pretty much the embodiment of your feelings and passion for each other.  Therefore if that's off, it reveals that there is an issue.  The issue could be how one of you feels toward the other, or it could be that it reveals damage in the other individual.  But it MEANS something.  We've also talked about how damaged people deserve love just as much as anyone else, but that the healthy person who decides to be in a relationship with them WILL be affected by the other person's limitations.  How damaged people don't always want to go through the gauntlet to fix themselves - even for someone they love.  You don't have to marry someone damaged just because you love them.  And you do not have to stay intertwined with someone who is toxic to you.  You are your own biggest ally; if you don't know what you're worth and what you deserve and need and want, then no one's going to just give it to you.  It all starts with you valuing yourself and not jumping at the first little nibble on the line.  Lots of lessons we could never discuss here if they didn't know the real truth of why our marriage went south.  Lessons on forgiveness and moving on and creating a better life.  Lessons of respect for others' choices and truth.

Live in the truth - all the damned time.

Kel


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January 10, 2017 12:04 pm  #212


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I do not believe in protecting my children from all adult issues. My children know that I do not have a ton of money so they know when I say no to a particular expense that there is a reason. That teaches them about budgeting money. Children know when something is wrong or when they are not being told the whole truth. Ultimately they will learn to distrust their own instincts if they are constantly told that everything is fine. I want my children to listen and trust their gut so I always confirm their suspicions when they are true. That doesn't mean I have to tell them all the gory details. 

Early on my children were confused about why we couldn't work out our disagreements and stay married. I told them that their father cheated and that is why I chose to end the marriage. I made it clear that no one has a right to do that without consequences and no one should allow themselves to be treated that way. This one was easy because I could prove it and their father didn't deny it although he did blame me. That helped them understand that there was no fixing it and that the divorce was permanent and for a valid reason. I told them that I would honestly answer any questions they had whenever they had them. They have both come to me in their own time with questions.

Since I can't prove that my ex is gay and he will never admit it I had to let my kids come to that conclusion on their own. When my one child directly asked about it I felt free to give my opinion and it was received with an open mind.  I was able to tell him why I believed it and how it affected me and our family and ultimately led to the divorce.  He had already come to the conclusion and was simply looking for confirmation.

Kel is so right.  These are all teaching moments and can be used to help our children grow to be much better adults and advocates for themselves.  I will not always be there to protect them.  They need to learn to do this for themselves.  It is my responsibility to teach them.

 

January 10, 2017 3:05 pm  #213


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Thank you for sharing Kel and Ruby. My question is for those women who are still married to gay men. Ruby is the exception in that she booted her husband at the first sign of cheating. Most of the posts here describe a different pattern:

1. Marriage is sexless for years (if not decades)
​2. Denial "He's not gay"
​3. Suspicion/investigation "Is he gay?"
4. Confrontation "Are you gay?"
5. Reconciliation "We'll make it work for the kids."
6. Repeat
7. Separation
8. Divorce

​I agree 100% with what you've shared, but what about women still trying to work things out with their gay husbands? What is the tipping point in a gay-straight relationship? As I've shared, my (then) wife and I tried to stay together for about 18 months following my coming out. It wasn't pretty. In fact it was a train wreck. We convinced ourselves it was, "for the kids" when in fact I was just torturing them with our beyond f*cked up relationship. I was in therapy at the time and asked my counsellor, who also treated children, for any signs my children might be in distress. When he described my three kids perfectly, eldest son insomnia, middle daughter anxiety, and youngest constipated, I finally accepted I was putting them through hell. Society so wants couples to remain together, to just 'tough it out', that it's very hard to overcome the idea that hard work can fix a gay-straight marriage. I believe bad relationships are like second-hand smoke. The first blueprint for any relationship is what kids see with their parents. And I was giving them the most god-awful example.

​So my question is: when do you finally know your gay/straight marriage is over?

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January 10, 2017 5:35 pm  #214


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I asked myself two questions:

1. Can I ever lay beside my husband again without thinking about the infidelity?
2. Is he capable of doing what he needs to do not only to earn my trust but to help fix what was a miserable marriage?

The answer to both of these questions was a resounding "No."  There simply was no future for me with this man.  Without a yes to both of these questions I knew that I could never give myself or my kids the life I wanted for us.

I am so happy.  I love my solitude.  I love my nice little home that is all mine.  I love not having that negative energy pressing down on me every minute of every day.  I do not need a man in my life and now I realize that I don't even want one.

 

January 10, 2017 6:10 pm  #215


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Good for you,Ruby. We need to  get our self respect back. I also love the solitude..there was way to much drama for too long.

 

January 11, 2017 11:51 am  #216


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

I didn't have confirmation of him being gay before I asked for a divorce.  There had been little clues here and there, but nothing large enough for confirmation of any real activity or wrongdoing.  I just knew that I wasn't happy with the intimacy level in my marriage, and it wasn't getting ANY better, and I believed it never would.  Essentially, I'd lost hope for any change.  I was tired of feeling invisible and unattractive and like something that my husband needed to tolerate.  Alllll those years that I still had hope for change, I could keep going  without what I needed - because there was hope.  When I realized there was no hope for change any longer, and that the problem was actually getting WORSE (his low drive was actually lessening and mine was increasing as I got into my 40's), I realized we were moving further away from any potential change.  At the same time, I realized that I was choosing to STAY married.  And that meant choosing to be okay with being unhappy the rest of our days together.  And while leaving didn't assure me that I'd find the intimacy I desired with someone else, staying meant that I would NOT find it.  And I just couldn't choose unhappiness.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

January 11, 2017 5:59 pm  #217


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Well said Kel. I'm reminded that many straight couples divorce because of infidelity, lack of intimacy, or simply because two people don't love each other anymore. As you shared, most of our own gay/straight marriages are at this point even before the gay thing is revealed. Why then is cheating with the same sex considered "a phase" or "excusable"?  

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January 12, 2017 8:09 am  #218


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

jkpeace wrote:

I am confused, when anyone words this situation in this way:  "It wasn't just TGT.  Our marriage had other problems..he was a cheater...he was dishonest...he kept secrets."  Of course, I'm paraphrasing.  Every single one of my marriage issues could have been worked out, IF my husband were not gay.  I can't figure out why anyone even comments on other things.  My husband could be a perfect gay man.  That means he should not have married me.  The marriage cannot work.  It is flawed, at its very core, which makes every other issue, quite simply, not matter...in my opinion.  It also means there was, absolutely, nothing I could have done to stay married.

For those of you who might be able to make an open marriage work, please, disregard my comments.  I would never judge anyone, in our situation.  Every single one of us is trying our best to do our best, making sense of a very confusing situation.   For me, staying with a gay man does not fit with my core belief of what a marriage is.

You're right JK. So right. The reasons I was given since she would NOT admit she was gay and having an affair were along the lines of "you didn't put up the toilet seat". Minor things...it was like she was grasping for any reason she list other than TGT as the reason she wanted a divorce.
So in the very end she couldn't even be honest with me..couldn't give me that little bit of empathy or care. In the very end she lied.
That scares me. That a person could be so heartless and evil. I'm so glad I'm away from such evil.
But it leaves me questioning everything..surely there are kind people in the world that wouldn't do this to another..people who have no dark secrets...that they mean what they say and say what they mean. Should I be scared of everyone..both male and female..is everyone a pathological liar.

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January 12, 2017 12:39 pm  #219


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Thanks for sharing JK and Rob. I'm afraid I wasn't very clear in my previous posts. I agree with what you wrote JK: being married to a man who identifies as 100% gay isn't going to work. I know from experience that it didn't work. Although we gave it a try. With regards to mixed orientation mariages, I can't comment although being married to a bisexual man or woman has its own challenges I'm sure. 

My question was more along the lines of: why do so many couples try to work things through ​even when the husband is so clearly gay? ​It's that chicken/egg logic: is he a bad husband because he is gay or is he just gay and a complete *sshole? Living with a narcissist, who refuses to have sex, cheats, lies about it, and is abusive are all justifiable grounds for divorce in heterosexual marriages. Add that he's gay on top of that and it's certainly an even bigger deal breaker. Or is it? I've read a number of posts here about couples who try to explain away a spouse's homosexuality post-discovery. It's a kind of "Oh he's an *sshole because of childhood abuse; lack of a father figure; dominant mother blah blah blah." 

​My question is: if you're already with a lying, cheating, abusive and manipulative husband who hasn't had sex with you for years, shouldn't you divorce? Why is homosexuality treated like some strange "hall pass" that excuses years of bad behaviour? Why does the gay thing so often motivate couples to re-set the relationship and try again?    

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January 12, 2017 1:14 pm  #220


Re: A gay ex-husband answers your questions

Sean, you could not be more right on.  I understand the position of this board and many other groups for straights that we are to be tolerant and understanding if someone chooses to stay with their newly discovered closeted gay spouse. I personally for the life of me cannot fathom that. Once I found out what my XGH had been up to it took me about 2 months to realize that this marriage had to be over. One, why in the world would I choose to stay with a man who has lied to me for 28 years! That's a pretty poor track record and not likely to change. Secondly, why am I going to choose a relationship that is completely a mismatch sexually? My marriage showed me that already and truly, it's not what I signed up for.  Why would I choose to continue a marriage with someone who has lied repeatedly, cheated, betrayed my trust, had an incredible amount of sex outside of the marriage AND who I now know prefers men??  I always have to keep quiet when anyone discusses staying in their marriage because I believe the exact opposite is necessary. Distancing is key, not living together anymore is key and trying to work on moving forward without each other is the very best thing for both of you.  It can't be a marriage, it can only be a less than satisfactory arrangement. IMO

 

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