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Hi everyone. I’ve been married to my wife for 22 years, and I’m beginning to understand our marriage very differently.This isn’t based only on a suspicion that my wife may be attracted to women. She had sexual experiences with women before our marriage and again during our marriage. Nothing physical has happened that I know of for roughly 14 years, but that period of our marriage remains significant for me. I experienced myself as being "maneuvered" into giving permission for what happened, then carrying much of the blame when things went badly. Afterward, the entire subject essentially disappeared from our lives. My wife will not discuss it even superficially today.Meanwhile, I’ve spent much of our marriage feeling that I was responsible for creating our connection. I believe she genuinely loves me and experiences me as safety, family, and home, but I have rarely felt spontaneously desired or pursued by her. For years I responded to that absence by looking inward—trying harder, taking responsibility, and assuming there must be something deficient in me or in what I was providing.As I’ve begun stepping outside that shame-and-responsibility loop, I’m seeing our history differently. I notice how naturally her attention can become activated around certain women, while that same spontaneous energy has felt largely absent between us. These aren’t entirely new observations; I think I’m finally able to look at things I’ve noticed for years without automatically explaining them away or making myself responsible for them.I don’t know what label my wife would ultimately use for herself, not sure she actually can look deeply and self-examine, and I’m not interested in forcing one onto her. But attraction to women is not hypothetical in our history. What I’m trying to understand now is what that history, the longstanding patterns in our marriage, and what I’m seeing today mean for my own life.I still love her. I want her to be happy and free, and increasingly I don’t feel a need to force an outcome. But I also don’t want to disappear anymore inside the role of keeping everything safe and functioning while accepting responsibility for a lack of connection I may never have had the power to fix.I’d particularly like to hear from husbands who eventually realized that their wives’ love for them could be genuine, at least within a role, while also recognizing that love, attachment, safety, and spontaneous sexual or romantic attraction were not necessarily the same thing.
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Hi, I'm an old woman and I was very happy to divorce my gay in denial ex husband.
By midlife I was already in a lot of pain but I had stopped looking to my husband for love care or comfort and building my own life from my studio at the bottom of the garden and so when I learned the term 'gay in denial' from this forum, it was a crucial piece of information and I finally understood - as in experience and time and observation finally weighed in - that x really was gay and really did not love me. But I didn't want to blow up my life. I thought I am over the hill, I just want to be in my studio and we can be good friends can't we.
No. Wrong. Over the hill, sure, but a whole lot of life still left to live. And no he was not my friend. By the time I got away from him I was in my 50's and in even more emotional pain, It was my lawyer who used the term emotional abuse.
for me it was clear - away from him even with no one else, even a cave in the Himalayas was better than staying.
Hope things work out for you, all the best, Lily
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I'm sorry you found yourself here Bigvalley. I had a friend put it this way. "What he is calling love is friendship not love. She said my soon to be ex was treating me like a friend not a wife. It wasn't romantic and it can't be a romantic relationahip without a desire to be intimate (for women that can be more of an emotional intimacy sometimes, maybe for some guys too i don't know). From your description your wife isn't intimate emotionally or from a sexual attraction standpoint. She sounds like a friend too. Just my quick take on your situation. All of us deserve intimacy, and when the intimacy goes elsewhere it feels abusive to me. It's cheating. There are different kinds of love and I believe my ex loves me as a friend but never knew how to be intimate with me truly, He did fake it well in the beginning but I can see the missing pieces with hindsight. Also, in my case I guess his type of friendship is pretty lacking because a true friend wouldn't have lied so long at such a cost to their supposed friend.
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I’ve been on a journey for some time now. Essentially I’ve gone through an existential crisis for the last year. Intense personal therapy and grinding hour by hour to sort through it all. What I’ve endured. What I’ve carried and taken the blame for.
I’ve a significantly detailed theory on how I got here. Sone is my own shame loop but mostly it’s 2 decades of looking at “it” but not seeing it. I’ve changed vantage points and now more clearly see what I knew was there but was obscured just enough to be vague and ambiguous. The daily behavior. The moments when she couldn’t flip “modes” fast enough. The shallow platitudes that historically passed as “love” when it was in reality just maintenance and protection.
Through all of it it’s the grief I feel that is hard. That and the recognition that I’ve been an emotional pack mule, structure and I’ve been isolated. The loneliness is like death. And accepting all my dreams are dying is the daily grind, really. But ironically, because it’s a different pain now I am finding myself. Because I lost me or had him stolen from me. I’m trying to like myself again.
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Hi Bigvalley, I can tell you have been working through this but I am bothered when you talk about having your own shame loop - what's that? perhaps you mean you had a parent who pressed the shame button? Me I had a lovely mother and a narcissist father who played all the selfish games on his own family.
anyway, my point is you are clearly a caring person not a selfish one and everything you have written indicates it is your wife who is playing the shame and blame game on you. Glad to hear you are waking up to it - that's typical emotional abuse.
The sense of isolation is shockingly bad isn't it, the loneliness unbearable. and yes, key point, all of that gets better as you winkle out the lies you have believed - you are getting yourself back. your own honest reflection.
I could start by saying you strike me as intelligent brave and kindhearted but perhaps the most useful thing to say is don't be hard on yourself for being tricked, just give yourself a hug, you are doing incredibly well.
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My shame loop predates my marriage. It’s how I internalized the religious conditioning I experienced. How I saw myself with mortality and eternal life. While I still have faith, how I experience it now is changing. Instead of feeling like I have to earn love, that if things don’t go right, I feel responsible and own it, I am learning to break that pattern.
But, this pattern followed me into marriages and other relationships. Now, instead of feeling judged by God and others, I’m seeing life as more experiential and that I am a good, but imperfect person but that I don’t have to take responsibility for everything that happens around me. My belief is I was the perfect person for my wife in that my strengths and weaknesses could be used against me and for her benefit to hide behind. Her system recognized it. Whether she always consciously knows it or not, I fill a role that keeps her from looking deeply within and must be maintained at all costs.
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oh, okay. you might be right that she is avoiding self reflection, idk. but anyway, my observation is that there are many non-straight women who want to keep hold of their husbands and families and have their girlfriend as well.
Like it is their right. And the thing that gets me is you see the emotional pain the straight husband is in however loyal and loving it just makes it worse.
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I’m sure I’m not alone. But there isn’t a girlfriend per se. Her connections are emotional with plausible deniability and I know some of the women don’t see it for what it is. She clearly connects with different women for different purposes and I’m left as the functional cover and support staff. But because I’ve been so conditioned by her the ability to even have a conversation is unsafe and pointless. Any obvious experiences that have happened with women years ago were rewritten, forgotten or ignored. Like it never happened.