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Hey guys - I made a post a few days ago and got alot of great information and support from y'all. I had to reset my account, so I'm hoping y'all will see this. Especially those of you who were kind enough to respond.
Basically, My husband told me before we married that he is trans, but because of his size (hes 6'8") and because of his son he never ever wants to transition. He was super open and even offered for me to talk with his general therapist. I told him that I didn't have a problem at all with him being trans, but that I was exclusively attracted to men and so if transitioning was something that he truly wanted at some point, he needed to tell me because that wouldn't be fair to me after X years of marriage.
To my knowledge, I do not believe that has changed. But, since our marriage, 4 years ago, here are the consistent behaviors I am dealing with:
1. RAGE. I never know what will set him off. Its like hes two people. One is caring and kind and funny and super loving. the other is volatile. unpredictable. I never know what will set him off or "who" I'm coming home to. He will scream and say horrible things and punch holes in the walls. This is continually blamed on me. because I "pushed him there". Sometimes, I will admit, when I've had enough I absolutely will say inflammatory things. (But no below the belt stuff. I am a divorce lawyer, so I am typically very aware of exactly what I say and why, and if I'm being rude - then it is because I intend to. I rarely just mouth-off) But it isn't common for me to be rude. Usually his rage is because the fork was in the wrong drawer and so "nobody listens to him or cares what he thinks", or something similarly begnine. Basically, his responses are really really disproportionate to the offense on mot occasions. We have talked bout it and there are always promises that it will end - and can't control it - and hes ashamed of that. Of course, when he feels ashamed he ghosts me and "punishes himself" so, then it is redundant for me to get any apology or even get to be upset about it. (Lest I "push him there" again). Its manipulative. I'm not saying it isnt how he really feels, but it is manipulative just the same.
2. SEX (sorry for the details here, but its a big part of what's going on) and if you'd rather not read this section, I understand LOL) ok, so, the sex between us has always been out of this world. It is still great, but has slowed SIGNIFICANTLY. At the beginning of our relationship he told me many times that he felt like there was too much emphasis on it and it was a problem that I wanted to do it alot. But, we still did, and he communicated that it was "the best of his life" (me too.....but).... I had never been as attracted to a man as I was to him and, honestly, I did want to alot. this was not typical for me as in my first marriage I had just learned to live without it because (well, because of alot of reasons that dont matter now) Moving forward. He has alot of rules about it has to be "organic" and I am not to ask because that ruins the mood. um. ok. more rules. So, I complied. We still were intimate alot so, no worries on that end. He then wanted me to penetrate him in a real dominant way. I agreed. He confided that it made him feel ashamed to ask - and he wanted to make sure I enjoyed it as well. It didnt bother me - but I noticed that it was a real big deal for him. and he has alot of dildos, etc. that I assume he uses on himself. So, it was just on my radar that it was the most enjoyable for him. I have asked him repeatedly if he was attracted to men. the answer is always no - he just wants to feel like a woman does, and thats the only way. He claims that he absolutely does not want to be with a man, I dont know if that is true, I was asked by another member in my last post if maybe the fact that the sex has diminished is why I'm here, because that was a big thing I was holding on to. the answer is, I don't know. Maybe,
3. HORMONES so, I am menopausal and I take testosterone (it is great for women in menopause, BTW, really helps tremendously) My dr. told me that I dont need to take estrogen because the T kicks off estrogen, and it would be really bad for me to have too much estrogen because it could effect not only my health but mood swings, etc. I found out recently that my husband had completely stopped his T shots and is now injecting himself with estrogen. He has grown small breasts (which he LOOOVES) it has effected his muscle mass. He was never ripped or thin.....but he was still very manly. Which, as I've said, I was very attracted to. But now he just looks different (and I don't mean older or heavier). His shoulders slump. His butt is different. Just everything looks, well "off" I feel wretched saying this, but its the truth and in combination with all of the other things, it is effecting my attraction to him.
4. PORN/OTHER WOMEN this one is tough. When we met I was real clear that I was looking for someone to be the man in my life. I wanted to be treated like a woman. I had spent too many years having to control everything and that's not what I wanted in my personal life. I wanted to be respected and cared for. I live in a world every day where I fight and I am the alpha in most rooms I walk into. I dont want that for my marriage. I want a partnership where I am afforded the treatment and respect of a wife. Well. a year or so ago I discovered a bunch of porn accounts he had. It was honestly by accident, but once I found it I went full PI on the deal. and there was so so so much. He lied about it twice. First saying that it was just a few times and it was for my benefit (long uninteresting story). Second that it was all because he was trans and wanted to look at women but I was "the only one" he was attracted to, Needless to say I had trouble swallowing that. The third was finally an admission (although still clinging to the excuses) that it had been a big problem for alot of his life and, yes, sometimes the cycle of porn resulted in him looking at it as often as most people check Facebook. And some was pretty raunchy. He claims it has stopped. but I'm not permitted access to anything so I kind of doubt it. Also, there is an ongoing problem (also related to trans he says) about his staring at other women. like. uncomfortable staring, He will literally stop talking to me because hes staring at a woman. He says this is common for dysphoria and its not about sex or attraction. I point out, that he is, in fact, attracted to women so how am I to know the difference? I have finally just let this one go as I see him actively fighting the urge to stare at every woman he sees.
5. SECRECY Since as long as I've know him hes been real secretive. Let me say, I do NOT believe he is cheating on me, I honestly dont. But there is 100% things he hides from me. More porn? Maybe, People he talks to? Maybe, Where he goes? Maybe. I dont know but the trust has been really broken since I learned about the porn. to be honest, the porn thing hurt me real bad.
So. There it is, there have also been lots and lots of good times, Wonderful times. But there's just so much of this other behaviors and the fact that I never ever know when it will pop up. In front of the kids. Or my family. Or my friends. Almost none of my family/friends like him because they see how rude he is to me and they dont like it. My brother has seen him explode and has told me that if I dont leave I am a bad mother. (Lemme tell you how bad that stung) My son loves his step dad and while he doesnt know hes trans, hes told me he doesnt want to leave. My step-son was raised with this insanity. So, it seems to not effect him much, But, I have told my husband that it doesnt matter. they are LEARNING how to behave. That part has gotten much much better and my husband has for the last couple of years not lost it in front of them. thats not an excuse, just where we are.
I just dont know if this cycle of abusive/destructive behavior will ever change. Because if this is just my life, well. It isnt good enough. And if it IS me, I need to know. and. the biggest problem is this: I genuinely love this man. Deep in my soul.
Sorry for the NOVEL. (Especially if you already read a version of it once) But, I need you guys, I need to know I'm not crazy. I need to know what in the hell to do. Also, thank you to all of you that responded to my last post. the answers to ll of your questions are: yes sex was important and it may have been a part of why I have put up with so much; I dont think hes gay....but I have no way of really knowing what hes hiding; and yeah. I am a divorce lawyer and I know exactly how to bail and what to do, and I'm on the brink of filing. This is my Hail Mary,.
PS my grammar and spelling and typing is horrible, so apologies in advance.
Last edited by Cat'scloset (November 12, 2025 5:55 pm)
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From what you are describing he isn't attracted to, he is competing with women. Do you think he wants to be pegged by a woman or ravished by a man?
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That is a good question. He describes himself as a lesbian. And the porn is 80% women. the rest being trans porn and some gay porn. so, the answer is I dont know. If he was a woman would he just want to be pegged by his wife? Or does he secretly want to have sex with a man while he is a woman? I don't know the answer.
I agree that he is competing with women. Maybe hes just full of resntment that I am one and he isnt?
Last edited by Cat'scloset (November 12, 2025 5:23 pm)
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I don't know him but I'm willing to guess with a certain amount of confidence - he is submissive, he wants to be the woman in the pairing, he wants to be penetrated like a woman, he wants his partner to dominate him - of course he wants a man!
The competing to be the alpha woman, the resentment of the straight woman he has partnered - these are stories that go beyond trans and not just my ex - these emotions come up time and time again - none more pronounced than with the trans but my gay-in-denial was pickling in vitriol by the time I realised he really was gay.
My observation of gay men, no matter how great the denial, is that the less the feeling of your girlliness impacts on them, the more comfortable they are.
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Cat'scloset wrote:
He describes himself as a lesbian.
My grandson....who thinks he's now a woman, at one point was calling himself a lesbian. Which is totally ridiculous, he's male and males will never be lesbian.
My guess is that my darling grandson would have grown up and, if the trans creep hadn't grabbed him thru social media, realised and accepted that he was homosexual.
Your husband can be trans if he wants. But every transwoman started out as a man.....and again
men can never be lesbian.
Elle
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I am a pragmatist. I'm also a romantic. Those qualities in me are in constant conflict in this relationship. I feel like a yo-yo. As soon as I'm convinced that this isn't a marriage I should ever stay in ---then its GREAT for a while. Then all the BS creeps back in.
I guess I need to know, from those of you that have suffered through this: does it ever change? Or is this just my life until he admits that he wants to transition and/or wants to be with a man? or is there another solution? Because as things stand now - I surely dont feel like I'm meeting many of his needs (Other than money). Hes constantly unhappy and complaining. About everything. Unless we are flush, if there's lots of extra money, there's alot more space between the insane outbursts. but they sure dont stop. And I cant understand how he treats me some of the time.
Now, the porn part, I cant speak to. cuz I'm locked out. But I imagine it ramps up when hes unhappy. Or maybe not. maybe its always all the time hes just learned how to hide it. because he knows that the lies that surround it have hurt me tremendously. ugh. I guess Im hoping for some kind of revelation.
But I can't continue to just be emotionally beaten so frequently. and have it be my fault. and I don't understand. and its all about childhood/patterns/trans. How long do I try to be ok with it until I just lose it altogether? I've almost left several times, but then I don't because the good-ness starts again and I DO LOVE HIM.
The fact that I even said all of that, in my rational mind, is just more evidence that I cant stay. :-(
If I were my client - I would tell myself to bail. yesterday. but, no one really understands where I am. (except you guys)
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What if you loving him doesn't necessarily mean he's a suitable husband for you?
If you weren't already married, would you sign on for the relationship you have now?
If someone you loved described a relationship like this one, what would you advise them to do?
The rage thing is total manipulation. Not uncommon for a gay/trans in denial spouse to make the other spouse Wrong in order to justify in their own heads the bad behavior they're hiding.
As far as secrecy goes, I was told early in my straight spouse experience that whatever we know about in terms of their behind-our-backs behavior is actually just the tip of the iceberg. Whatever you see, whatever they admit to doing - it's actually way, way more than just that.
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freed myself- OMG. Its like I am the client and you are the lawyer. Those are the exact questions I would ask someone who are to my office for a consult. the answers are exactly as you would expect:
-No I would not sign on for this immense pain
-No. love isnt always enough. Again, the pain is immeasurable.
-thank you for confirming that the rage is manipulation. I've dealt with so much of it, I think I have lowered my bar soooo far that I dont see the extent of it anymore. And it helps strengthen me to hear that someone I dont even know who knows the facts agrees with me
-and the secrecy thing really bothers me too. and I think that is the reality of most secrets, especially long term ones.
I dont consider myself a weak person. I mean, I'm human and not perfect, but I dont think I am weak and I can absolutely support myself financially without him (in fact, my finances would be better because I would only be supporting 2 people instead of 4.) It just all boils down to how much I love him....and I cant find solutions.
Maybe I'm just avoiding the pain that I have to go through if I leave. (well, make him leave.) I think that even with all of my knowledge and intellectually understanding, Im. well. afraid. Afraid of what he could do to my career. Afraid of never finding this kind of love again. Just afraid. Afraid of loneliness at 50 yo. And I know (again, intellectually) that fear is the motivation for most people's poor decisions. I know it from my job and just being human. I also know intellectually that I dont have a bad resume and I would very likely find another partner. Its just that I dont want one. I want him. And I know I will never find him again. but HE is making me miserable. This is the jacked cycle I am in and I'm sure you were too.
And I know it would be easier if I didnt care. I see your handle is "Ifreedmyself"
so, since I know the answers to your questions, and I know what I would say to a client or friend - and you know too - what did you do to get out? and how were you afterwards? Mostly, how did you keep your heart on board? Because as a divorce lawyer, I know all the semantics....I just cant get my heart to line up with me..
(again, apologize for the bad grammar - I type like I speak and Im admittedly a bad typist
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For me, getting out was pretty straightforward. We were married for 20 years; for the last two or so, the relationship had gotten worse and worse. He treated me like an incompetent child. I was somehow responsible for anything that went wrong and he shut me down any time I brought up something that was bothering me. Anything important to me I learned to keep to myself, so it wouldn't be criticized or belittled. I walked on eggshells all day. And who wants to have sex with that guy - not that he was interested anyway.
In retrospect I know that his secret was getting impossible to repress and he was taking it out on me. He had joined a gay friend group and had started hitting the bars, never telling me where he was going or who he was with. Finally he came out to me, and in an instant everything clicked into place. He said he was gay, and that was it for us. I'm monogamous, and not up for a MOM, and he was eager to start his new gay life.
In all honesty, I was relieved. I'd been dedicated to being married, because apparently it's really hard to tell a rough patch from a terminally bad relationship. Would I have stayed in the crappy marriage if he hadn't come out? I don't know, but him being gay was the non-negotiable that opened the door and freed me from the emotional, financial, and narcissistic abuse I'd lived with.
The first few months after he left were really, really, really hard. The way I made it through was therapy (my therapist is a rock star), and taking care of my physical self like it was a job. I was very open about what I was going through (he was fully out), and had a lot of support from family, friends, and colleagues. It took nearly a year for me to have enough distance and safety to actually absorb just how badly I'd been treated, and just how insignificant I was to this person to whom I was steadfastly dedicated.
I've worked hard to let go of the big questions I'll never have answered. Did he ever love me? Was any of our relationship real? I don't actually have any idea who that guy was that I was married to, because he was pretending. So to your question of keeping my heart on board - the man I loved was some made-up character, a gay man's impression of a straight guy onto which I projected my hope that someday he'd start being interested in me again.
It feels a little like overstepping to say this, since I only have this thread to go on, but it doesn't sound like things are going to get better for you as your husband transitions, especially since the sex was a bright spot, and now he's on hormones.
You know better than anyone that a divorce can be nasty, but I imagine you've seen some sane ones as well, and I bet you have more than a few clients who, like me, were grateful and relieved to be free. It's so much nicer here on the other side.
My wish for you is a good therapist, and a divorce lawyer colleague who can serve as a sounding board as you explore your options. We're here for you, too.
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Hello,
I just wanted to add my voice to the thread as my story is similar. I am 51 and have two teenage children with my husband of 20+ years. He disclosed to me his decision to transition two years ago, which came as a shock to say the least. I knew immediately I would not stay in the marriage and told him that I am not going on this journey with him. Due to money, kids, house, etc, here we are still living together in separate bedrooms. It is hell and I want nothing more than to separate.
At his point all of our friends and family are aware of his plans, and he has slowly been changing, started hormones, growing his hair out. I dream of being on my own and have an exit plan that will come to fruition next year. I have so much anger and resentment and sadness for the home we will lose, the financial struggles I face, and the loss of the dream of a strong family base for my children as they grow into adulthood. In addition I have to plan for a major move across country and career change so I can be closer to my own family and support network.
It's incredibly hard, and I'm so sorry. This is a total mindfuck. I think about my younger, in love, hopeful self and feel such deep sadness for how it is all ending. However, I am very grateful that I was certain from the the moment of disclosure that I would be leaving and I didn't have to go back and forth on what to do, just how. Apparently some marriages survive a spouse transitioning, but I have to wonder if the straight spouse is truly OK in such an arrangement, at least long term.
If I were you, I would start making plans to end the marriage. It can be crazy hard when you are dealing with an unstable person with demons. I've found I can only focus on myself and my children as I can't save or change him. Maybe this poem from Mary Oliver will help you as it helps me:
The Journey
One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices around you
kept shouting
their bad advice—
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.
It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.
But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do—
determined to save
the only life you could save.
Sending you hope and love,
Annalisa