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August 13, 2025 7:01 pm  #1


Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Hi all. I’m brand new to this forum and want to share my story and ask for advice on why my next steps should be. My life feels like such a mess right now and I’m absolutely drowning. Please bear with me as this has been my life for three years with very little support.

I’m currently 35 and met my partner (who I will refer to as A) when I was just 19 in college. We got married when I was 22 and he was 23. We’ve been married 13 years now but just before our 10th anniversary, A came out to me as a trans woman. It was completely out of the blue. I hadn’t had the faintest idea that it was even a possibility for my bearded, golf and baseball playing, outdoor loving, bro of a husband to feel like he was a woman. A admitted that he’d felt like he was female his entire life. Often fantasizing as a child about being magically turned into a girl like Cinderella going to the ball and as an adult wearing my clothing, bras, and panties when I wasn’t home. He said he was attracted to penises but not men. I was in complete shock but also trying to as supportive as possible, immediately asking for pronouns and if he preferred a different name etc. I asked him that night why he would tell me now all of a sudden when he’d known his whole life and we’d been married a decade. His words have haunted me over the last three years, “I waited to tell you until I knew you wouldn’t leave.” I’d identified as bisexual for years and we had discussed this together. As soon as I’d had an inkling that I was attracted to women, I brought it up to him because that was the type of marriage I wanted and valued. One where we could also be open and honest about who we were and he knew this and still had been keeping this secret from me for years. To see if I would reject him? To make sure I was financially dependent on him? To know that I really was a safe space and wouldn’t judge him? I didn’t know what to make of his statement in the aftermath of this sudden revelation. I had also just quit my job to return to school when all this happened and was full in to my first year of an intense nursing program. I felt like my best course of action was just to help him explore and be supportive. So that’s what I did.

A grew up in a very conservative Christian household as did I. However, A still found comfort and importance in his faith where as I have questioned it for years and basically had only been going to church to support A’s faith and for a sense of community. My mom is also a bit of a TERF which had been a point of extreme disagreement between us for years before A’s disclosure. All these were points that were discussed between A and I as we explored how and who she would home out to but the more we talked the more reluctant she seemed to embrace herself. It became clear that what she wanted was to be a woman at home and to continue to be male presenting to the rest of the world. She wanted to still be with me. She loved me and I was her best friend. She still found me attractive etc. etc. But I would be the only one who knew and her entire support system. So that’s what I’ve done. For the last three years it’s just been me and this person who outwardly looks like my husband, who I call by his birth name in public, who goes to church and pretends we are one thing but at home he is someone else. Feminine, wearing clothes I wouldn’t be caught dead in, panties so impractical it’s laughable. I’ve asked him if it bothers him to go to church and pretend to be someone else knowing half the people there would throw him out if they knew what our home life was really like, if he cares at all that several of his macho friends would disown him. He just shrugs and says that’s just the way it is. That it’s sad but they’re still good people and his faith is important to him. He doesn’t want to come out and has no plans of transitioning. I’ve asked him to join support groups, bought him books, educated myself, and took us to couples therapy to help him embrace himself while being completely supportive and not letting him know how deeply I was grieving. He seems completely content with the way things are and I am dying inside.

Since A’s disclosure I’ve graduated nursing school and started work, I’ve had cancer, had my thyroid removed, and mostly drifted away from my friends and family. I feel so isolated. I’ve been going to therapy but it’s not really helping because the root of the problem is this fake life I’m living. I’m ready to do something about it, to move on but I’m so scared. I’m afraid of hurting the person I love and invalidating their experience. I also do not plan on telling anyone why I’m leaving. I would never out A if she didn’t give me explicit permission to do so. It’s dangerous for her but I have to be the one who eats it, you know. I just have to leave and look like I’m wrecking our life for nothing when it’s not even remotely true.

So how do I even begin to have this conversation? How do I tell her I’m no longer attracted to her? That sex is awkward and deeply uncomfortable for me because I know she’s pretending to be a woman when we haven’t sex and that half of her focus isn’t even on me. How do you tell someone that you’re not sure you love them the same way anymore? And does this make me a hypocrite? I’m bisexual. She wants to be a woman. I like women. But not my husband as a woman. I’m so deeply confused. I’m pretty much just disassociating through my days. I feel like I have so much life to live and I’m trapped in this facade. I hung out with a group of women for the first time in years a few days ago. We didn’t talk about big stuff just hung out and I was nearly in tears driving home because it was just nice to be around other people and not have to pretend.

I would appreciate any advice about how to move forward. I’m scared and lonely and just need some support.

 

August 15, 2025 7:16 pm  #2


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

"I have to be the one who eats it, you know."
 
I do know. My ex also decided he was "a woman in a man's body" after many years of marriage (32 years of marriage, in my case), and after initially declaring he was going to "transition" backed off that plan when he realized that he would never pass as a woman (he is 6'4", 300 pounds, and wears size 13 men's shoes, and does not look remotely like a woman).  He, too, decided he would continue to be the man he is in public and at work, but at home be "the woman he is inside."  As you say, this works out great for them, but is an  intolerable and unethical burden for them to place on us. My husband (now ex) and I were both professors, in the same department, with the same title and the same salary.  Yet I would fight the good fight of a woman in the workplace all day, having to demonstrate I was qualified to be there doing the work I was, while he enjoyed the respect for his views and his authority that he received simply by virture of his maleness, and then I would come home at night where I was expected to not just accept, not just affirm, but to celebrate his "woman-ness," which took the form of clothes and behavior that were pornified caricatures of woman. 

I heard the same thing, that he had "known" since he was a child, which was how he explained his action, at age 10 or so, of wearing his mother's slip, and drawing breasts on himself with her lipstick.  It turns out that my husband, like yours, had been taking my underclothing and wearing it.  Ask yourself: why is it that his belief he is a woman centers on sexualized clothing (impractical panties)?  

Your husband is an autogynephile, that is, a man who is sexually aroused by the act of pretending he is a woman.  You can look up the psychologist Michael Bailey's work "The Man Who Would be Queen" for a readable account of autogynephilia.  I remember reading the typology in that book with a dawinng understanding that my husband fit almost every point.  

Autogynephilia is very hard for those of us with normal sexualities (gay, straight, or bi) to get our heads around, and there are many permutations.  Most autogynephiles are otherwise heterosexual men who retain their attraction to women but redefine themselves as "lesbians."  To be affirmed as women is their dominant desire, whether that is with other women (to be treated as a "lesbian" by another women is affirming!), or with men.  Some autogynephiles do seek out sex with men not because they are gay, but because being desired in their woman guise and treated as a woman is affirming to their belief they "are" women. 

You are not a hypocrite.  Plenty of lesbians and bi women will tell you that they are attracted to both males and females, but not to trans identifying women (transmen) or trans identifying men (transwomen). 

At one time I posted a list of resources for women who are married to trans-identiying men.  You can search for it using my name (although I have made many, many posts in the nine years I have been on this Forum).  You might also benefit from looking up the documentary "Behind the Looking Glass," by Vaishnavi Sundar, which is available on Youtube.  The documentary itself is supplemented by longer interviews with the women in the film.  (My own interview is there, under "Alison").  You might also look up transwidowsvoices.org, and read the stories women in our situation have posted there.  

Happy to talk to you via the message feature, if you like.  

 

August 15, 2025 10:58 pm  #3


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Glass Wife - I am a long time reader of this forum and of Our Path's resources, but hadn't posted before today when I read your story. I'm sorry that you've found yourself here, but I'm glad you're seeking support - it's incredibly brave. 

Three years ago, my partner of 8 years (and person I intended to spend the rest of my life with after having been divorced earlier in my life) told me that he was having thoughts of transitioning. It shattered my world - so much of what you are describing and holding is a weight that is unlike anything else. Fast forward to March of this year, my partner had progressed in her transition and was happier than she had ever been and I was a shell of who I once was. The responsibility of a huge secret, not being able to be your full self with your loved ones, and still trying to make sense of what you want (or thought you wanted) is SO MUCH. I couldn't hold it anymore. 

For me, the moment I decided that I needed to end the relationship was when I finally chose (thanks in part to a great therapist) to center MY AUTHENTIC SELF. It was the hardest thing I've ever done, and I'm still very much grieving but it's hard to describe the weight that has been lifted off of my shoulders. When I had the conversation, it was unexpected, it was like something just switched one evening and I told my ex that I was not physically or romantically attracted to her anymore and that her transition did not leave enough room for me in the relationship. I was also able to express that I still cared for her deeply as an important person in my life. Unfortunately, hurting the feelings of the person you care deeply about is unavoidable in this situation. 

Whether intentionally or not, it sounds like your partner is being quite selfish and taking your support for granted. This could also be why they feel like they don't need to be 'out' outside of the house -  they are getting a pressure release value at home so that they don't need to navigate the very real and scary changes that truly need to be addressed. 

I'd encourage you, if you haven't already, to start making an exit plan with your therapist. What do you need to do to feel "ready"? Then start to make baby steps toward that plan. You've got this. You're worth doing hard things. 

 

August 23, 2025 2:11 pm  #4


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

"Yet I would fight the good fight of a woman in the workplace all day, having to demonstrate I was qualified to be there doing the work I was, while he enjoyed the respect for his views and his authority that he received simply by virtue of his maleness..." 

Wow. This resonates so strongly with me. While we work in separate career fields, I have struggled deeply with this aspect of our dynamic. He has no idea what it is actually like to be a woman in this world and experience the struggle of fighting for our place in it. The things he takes for granted, simply for being male presenting, would never fly if he had been born a woman or accepted who he is and transitioned. I've pointed some of these inconsistencies out to him and they're met with blank looks or yeah-I-get-its. But he doesn't, not really. He wouldn't be in the powerful and respected position he has in his career if he was a woman or at least it wouldn't have happened for him as rapidly as it did. He's years ahead of his female counterparts and while I do believe he is a fantastic leader and very intelligent, I know his experience would have been different if he was female as well. 

Thank you for introducing me to autogynephilia and for your resource recommendations. I was not familiar with this term at all, and A certainly fits many of the criteria. What's interesting in his case is that his father was also a closeted cross dresser and his mother was deeply traumatized by the accidental discovering of his fetish and frequent infidelity. A has often referenced this as a reason for not coming out to the rest of the world as "it would kill her" and I don't disagree, but I certainly can't keep living like this. A's case is also interesting in that up until he was born, according to his mother, everyone thought he was a girl based on ultrasound imaging. It was a surprise to all that she gave birth to a boy. A also has an autoimmune disorder that is almost always found in women (it's not unheard of in men but is very uncommon) and took us a long time to get diagnosed because no one was looking for it. I've often wondered if A wasn't born intersex and his parents made some sort of decision at the hospital that day and never told anyone. There's no way to know as his dad has since passed and his mother would take information like that to her grave. All of this to say that I think A's initial feeling of being female was correct and natural, but she has since repressed and fetishized it to the extent that she is indeed an autogynephile. He has a lot of his own wounds to understand and heal and I've realized I can no longer bear the weight of holding it all for him. 

I've been perusing your older posts and resources and have found them extremely helpful. Also, just knowing there are other women out there like me who have been through this and come out the other side has really shaken me up and reinvigorated me to make the changes that are necessary for my well-being. I've been in therapy for years for this but it's mostly been a place to vent. We've changed tactics and are working through a plan to help me move forward. 

Thanks again!

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August 23, 2025 3:01 pm  #5


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Ruth12, thank you so much for your response and for your perspective on my situation. I honestly never thought about my relationship with A as abusive or that I'd been manipulated into it, I was so in love and felt like we were so aligned in our goals for ourselves and our relationship. I'm understanding now how this looks from the outside even if I don't know for certain that when we first met, he was manipulating me to fall in love with the person he was presenting as or had genuinely repressed himself so much that he thought he would never come out and would be comfortable keeping his secret to himself forever. Regardless of initial intention, he has since taken my love, understanding, and acceptance for granted and allowed me to become a sexless shadow of myself with questions about the foundation of our relationship. Questions I intend on having answered very soon. 

I also hadn't considered his reaction or my safety in this and that was a really astute point. If he has been manipulating me, I have no idea how he's going to react when I question what's really been going on for our entire marriage. I had been planning on having a private conversation at home but have now reached out to my therapist to bring him in with me and mediate. She knows him and is who we did couples counseling with when A first came out, but I was in still such shock and A, I see now, was masking so hard that those sessions were basically pointless. I've taken measures for my physical safety and have also made a list of resources I will need to leave and what I already have available. I tried some snooping while he was out of town for work this week but didn't find anything suspicious.

Both you and OutofHisCloset helped me realize that when/if/how I leave is my decision and I don't owe anyone an explanation other than what I'm doing is right for me. 

Thanks for being here!

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September 7, 2025 5:59 pm  #6


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

I had to do a double take that I didn’t accidentally make 2 accounts. I could have written the beginning of  first post. I don’t know what else to say but I feel for you and wish you strength.

 

September 14, 2025 11:31 am  #7


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Update: I spoke with A and told her how much and how long I had been struggling; that the secrets she has asked me to keep and the dual life we have been living have been extremely detrimental to my mental health. I expressed to her that being with a female-presenting version of my spouse at home has changed my attraction to her and that I've been feeling very lonely in our relationship. Her response was, first, that she hadn't noticed my distress or struggle at home at all. My depression and anxiety were news to her. Secondly, she was surprised that I would express how "uncomfortable" I am with her appearance at home so many years after her disclosure. She threw all of her clothes into bags and insisted we would never talk about it again. That we would go back to the way things were before disclosure and essentially act like it never happened. It's like she didn't hear a word I said.

She said that my reaction now is why she didn't tell me for so long, because she was afraid of losing me. She completely missed the point that allowing me to commit to our marriage without all the facts is at the root of my distress. I spent several days feeling extremely defeated. She went back to acting as if everything were completely normal and that we had never had this talk, and she never disclosed that she was trans in the first place. She has reframed my admission of depression and loneliness in our marriage as a cry for more attention and has cancelled work trips to "spend more time" with me. I feel misunderstood and unheard, and most of all, I think I am just a security blanket to her. I know that by not speaking up sooner, I have played a role in allowing her to become this comfortable. I've allowed her to feel okay in using me as security and not given her space to work through her own issues. I know that she's also in denial about what I said and is just afraid of the bigger conversation that I'm trying to have, which is that I want to leave. Since she has decided to "go back to the way things were," it now puts me in a position of being the bad guy and saying that I want to leave our marriage, even though she's willing to do whatever it takes to make it work. I don't want to be with someone willing to twist themselves into whatever shape I see fit, and I also don't want to be with someone who keeps secrets about who they are so they can stay with me. I honestly just want to be alone at this point. I think A is so afraid of being alone and facing her own issues, she's willing to let me drown as long as I stay. I don't think she loves me the way she thinks she does. 

I'm ready to leave and have made plans to do so. I just haven't told A yet. I'm a wreck over knowing that I am going to hurt her with my decision. I love her, and she's been my best friend and partner for so long. I'm having panic attacks and worrying about how she is going to manage on her own. I feel horrible and guilty, and I don't know how to get past it. How do you tell someone that the way they love you isn't enough anymore, and that staying in the relationship is now doing more harm than good for both of you?

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September 15, 2025 9:08 am  #8


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Your spouse's response to your telling him about your feelings is similar to what I experienced with my spouse.  My spouse was so focused on himself and his feelings, and so focused on my also being focused on his feelings, that there was no room for him (and no desire) to consider my feelings.  Soon after my spouse dropped his trans bomb (before I was manipulated into staying and "trying"), I told him I wanted to divorce, and he was going to have to talk to a therapist instead of me about his desire to transition.  He came home from one of his early meetings with this therapist (a trans-identified woman), and said, in a tone of surprised wonder, "Trey says you're grieving," as if he hadn't even considered the fact that I might have a response to his news he was trans that was different from his excitement about "finally living his truth."  And, like you, when I did try to articulate my feelings, my then-spouse did not hear them.  In fact, after one evening in which I was honest with him about the difficulties I was having with his "trans"-formation, he called that an attack, and later referred to that conversation as "what you did to me," as if my words were a hostile act.  

   I also experienced the "put it all back in the bottle" reaction, hide the clothes, no more talking about it, no more sex (as opposed to the sex we'd been having, with him adopting his woman persona).  The problem is, once you know, you know.  And you know that even when he's not talking about it, he's thinking about it.  It is not reasonable to expect that you could "go back to the way things were."  Nor was it reasonable to expect that having declared himself trans he could also have the marriage/partnership he had.  Decisions have consequences, and in this case, the consequence of his declaration is that it altered the dynamic between you, and that alteration carried the likelihood that you would see the alteration in your marriage/relationship as incompatible with your own sexuality and expectations of a partner.  

  When I read what you've written, one thing that stands out to me is the degree to which you seem to be blaming yourself, or taking on responsibility for what is not either your fault or your responsibility.  Instead of blaming yourself for "letting it go on so long," or taking onto yourself your spouse's accusation that he didn't tell you because he was afraid of losing you, consider that your spouse did not have the courage of his convictions, and now, instead of owning his decision, wants to offload it and the blame onto you.  That is revelatory of the same character trait that led him to lie about what he was feeling about himself all along, and decided to keep you in the dark, as he said, until he was sure you wouldn't leave.

I'm sorry you're struggling--leaving is not easy!--but glad that you are following through on your decision, rather than deep-sixing your feelings or capitulating to emotional blackmail and blame-shifting.
 

 

September 21, 2025 6:52 pm  #9


Re: Grieving, losing myself, and don’t know what to do next

Unfortunately I don't have any advice for you but just wanted to stop in and say that your story could be my story. We are going through the exact same thing, and you were able to capture my feelings so eloquently. I know we will both grow from our situations and be stronger for it in the end.

 

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