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June 2, 2025 11:15 am  #1


Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

My wife and I have been together for 22 years (since college), married for 19, with two amazing kids (14 and 11). Like any long relationship, we’ve had ups and downs. But the past few years—and especially the past few weeks—have broken something open in a way I didn’t see coming.

We’ve always had mismatches around intimacy. I’ve often felt she valued me as a provider and co-parent more than as a partner, friend, or lover. I’ve struggled with feeling like I was always the one trying—trying to plan, initiate, ask, adapt, fix. And recently, after one particularly painful fight, things came to a head.

That night, she told me she hasn’t loved me for years. That she’s been unhappy. That she’s been mentally preparing to leave for a long time. She’s never told me before she was unhappy. Yes, we have fought, but she never expressed needs not being met or desires going unfulfilled. The desires she did express were never about me per se, but about her wanting more independence, more time on her own with friends, etc—that was part of our cycle because I felt neglected and my needs were minimized.

That alone would have been devastating—but then the next day she added something else: that she’s been questioning her identity. That she doesn’t really know what her sexuality is. That she’s been repressing something deep down her entire life, and for at least the past 10 years (after having kids) she’s been aware of it. She said she isn’t ready to label herself—she doesn’t identify as lesbian or bisexual—but that if she were to date again, it would probably be women, but she isn’t willing to say there would never be another man.

She says there’s no affair, no outside interest triggering this. Just a slow unraveling of a self she never had the space to fully know. She grew up in a conservative Midwestern home, with a mother who enforced very narrow expectations about gender and what it meant to be a good daughter, wife, mother. She told me she doesn’t even feel like she can claim a queer identity, because she’s never acted on it. She has never been with another woman. I am her only serious relationship—her only sexual partner (even her only kiss) of either sex.

So why now? Why, after decades, is this all happening?

Part of it may be that our old, painful dynamics finally broke. She feels guilt and resentment. I feel hurt and abandoned. I’ve learned I have an anxious attachment style—I overfunction when I feel distance and try to get closer—and she is emotionally avoidant, freezing when vulnerability enters the room. It’s a cycle. We’re in it deep.

We’ve agreed to a 2–3 month pause. No romantic expectations. Individual therapy. Couples counseling--she was extremely resisten at first to all of this, but then relented. She said she isn't willing to commit to working the marriage as a goal of counseling, but that she will engage. A chance to work on ourselves. And I am working. I’ve reflected deeply—on my own childhood wounds, on my need for connection, on the ways I reacted in anger or fear. I’ve also been kind. I’ve been present. I’ve held her pain and asked nothing in return. When I broke down and asked her to hold me, she did.

And yet… she still seems cold and final. She talks about moving out. Getting a full-time job. Having the kids live with me. She says she doesn’t want to be a wife anymore—and not a full-time mother either. That breaks me in ways I don’t know how to put into words.

I think she’s on a journey of self-discovery, but also in a mid-life crisis of having no independent identity beyone being a mother and wife. But I also think she’s scared. Scared of being vulnerable. Scared of depending on anyone. Scared of repeating the patterns of her parents’ unhappy marriage. And in a strange twist, I see now that I have been replicating my own parents’ patterns too—my mom’s emotional enmeshment, her need for intimacy from an emotionally distant partner, and the conflict cycles that came from that.I don’t want to blame our families for everything. But I do believe we’ve both been shaped by them in ways that brought us here.

What I want to know is: Has anyone been here?

Has anyone else watched their spouse slowly question their identity—maybe even name their queerness—after decades together?

Has anyone tried to stay? To build a different kind of love?Is there ever a path back when someone says “I don’t know who I am, but I know I can’t be with you”?

Do I take her at her word that there’s no other person… that this isn’t about someone else, but about herself?

And maybe most painfully: Was our love ever real? Or was I just the “right” man at the “right” time—meeting expectations, giving her a safe place to hide from parts of herself she couldn’t yet name?

I know there are no easy answers. But I also know I’m not the only one to walk this path. So I’m reaching out. I’m hoping to hear from others. Whether it ended in reconciliation, separation, friendship, or something in between.

If you’ve lived this—any part of it—I would be so grateful to hear your story.

Last edited by Netjer (June 2, 2025 11:22 am)

 

June 2, 2025 2:26 pm  #2


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Read any story here by any of us and you'll find we all go through the same experience....with different specifics. Some more distressing/distasteful/sad/angry than others but with the same over-laying theme of secrecy, bad communication, confusion and loss. 

Sounds like you're at the start of your journey and from what you say she says she's ready to move on. So I think this has been uppermost in her mind for years. 

Elle


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June 2, 2025 8:31 pm  #3


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Yes, you will find many similar stories here.  I've been on this forum for years now and there is a spectrum of closeted wives from the somewhat terrifying arch-manipulator to the 'just doing what my mother did'.  Hopefully your wife is towards that end.

It doesn't change the fact that she hasn't been honest with you all these years.  From the sound of things she is in the process of owning up now.  From observation of the people around me - I am a whole generation older than you - the downside is she might stay.  there are a lot of lesbians who settle in with their ageing husbands quite happily as long as there isn't any sex, they usually have a long term girlfriend.  The husband doesn't understand why he feels the way he does and blames himself.

Feeling anxious has been discussed here - it's another of those things we find we have in common.  I spent months living in my studio at the bottom of the garden, communicating with my lawyer arranging the divorce and so I had emotional separation from him and my own roof over my head albeit in the same garden.  It wasn't til I moved here tho - I couldn't believe it, one night's sleep and the anxiety at the pit of my stomach had gone - all those years of thinking it was my own issue, a carry over from childhood and it ended up being an instinctive response to the proximity of my ex.

You are too young to settle - there's a lot of living to come.  I wish you the best of luck.

Last edited by lily (June 2, 2025 8:32 pm)

 

June 2, 2025 10:08 pm  #4


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

I'm sorry to read your story and that you're finding yourself here. I'm in a very similar situation right now, with my wife of over a decade in a two decade relationship coming to the realization that she's bisexual and unwilling to commit to our marriage. In my case the coldness isn't there, although it's been an emotional rollercoaster and I don't know where we're going to end up. I also think that there's a whole lot of midlife crisis going on in my story just like you. I don't have any advice to offer because I'm also so early on in my story, but know that you're not alone in this at all.

 

June 2, 2025 11:32 pm  #5


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Sorry you're hear, but glad you found us. As others have said, everyone here has a story, there are many more alike than not alike. I have been at this site since 2022. I mostly come back to help others as so many did for me. It is a very dark time in the beginning. I wish I could say, at least in the short term it gets better. Its gets worse before it gets better. What will the result be? Only you can influence that. Some people choose to stay together. Others leave, realizing they would rather be single than to be with someone who simply does not choose them. I chose to leave and am glad I did. In my mid 40's, I found someone else who actually loves me and her actions reflect that. My ex wife? Despite the words, her actions never really matched, 19 years married, 23 together, I do not beleive she is even capable of real love. But I did not see any of this until I discovered the affair. That was the tip of the iceberg....

I wish you well, come back often. There is no "right path", just your path. Use the time to think about what YOU want vs. worrying about her, she has been worried about what she wants for over a decade it sounds like while you poured yourself into "We", she was all about "me". Take your time, think what makes you happy. I didnt leave to find a new woman, thats just what happened when I began to respect myself, I attracted the woman of my dreams, 

 

June 3, 2025 11:36 am  #6


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Thank you all — truly — for your insights and responses. They’ve been a lifeline in this moment, and I’ve been spending time reading previous posts and listening to OurPath podcasts, trying to hear from others who’ve walked a similar road.

Last night, my wife and I talked again. She told me she wants us to tell our families about the divorce in July, but doesn’t want to tell them why. I said I thought we were on a “pause,” not a decision — and she responded that she thinks we’ve had different definitions of what that pause meant. From her perspective, she believes this step is necessary for her to process her repression and identity — and to do that, she needs finality. She said, almost painfully, that she’s already “done enough harm.” Knowing her, I think that may be the closest I’ll ever come to hearing an apology.

Our conversations have been unfolding like peeling layers. First, she told me she didn’t think she was in love with me anymore. Then, she opened up about repressed feelings toward women, but insisted she wasn’t ready to label herself or rule out men entirely. Last night, she shared that she has no interest in romantic relationships with men at all, though she still says she isn’t looking to date women right now either. It is perhaps worth noting here I believe she still has shame, because she has yet to say the word lesbian, gay, or even bi. She said that today she hopes to tell our mutual friend “the entire story,” and while she doesn’t feel ready to tell her parents, she’s hoping to tell her sister when she visits home.

In some ways, having this clarity helps. I truly don’t believe there was an affair — and even through the sadness, we’ve managed to maintain moments of lightness. I made a few dark-humor jokes (which she laughed at, thankfully), asking if she was sure she didn’t want to “try penis one more time, just to be sure.” But in a more sincere moment, I asked whether she had explored lesbian porn or fantasized about women. She said no — that her repression ran so deep she never allowed herself to go there.

All of this is hard. And as strange as it sounds, the fact that this is happening just as Pride Month begins feels extra heavy. I live in Los Angeles and work on a college campus where LGBTQ+ visibility is high — and I genuinely want to honor her journey — but I also feel like, as a straight white man, I’m not “allowed” to fully grieve. That if I speak up about the pain or betrayal I feel, I’m somehow taking away from her truth. It’s also hard that she doesn’t want to tell people yet. That means I have to protect her privacy and delay my own full processing and healing.

What’s been hardest for me is this pattern I’m starting to recognize — that she’s still reluctant to use words like “gay” or “lesbian,” and still unwilling to tell her family. I worry that this reflects an ongoing shame or internalized discomfort, and that this same emotional avoidance — this fear of being known — was a core issue in our marriage.

And I worry, too, about what’s next. Our circle is liberal, we have LGBTQ+ friends, and part of me believes that as she begins to experience more acceptance — from others and maybe from herself — that she’ll eventually move fully into that identity and want to explore that world. I’ve read about the “gay adolescence” some people experience when they come out later in life, particularly among men — a kind of rapid, high-intensity phase of dating, sex, and experimentation. I don’t know how common that is for women, but I can feel something like that comin, and I don't think I can handle it. 

Meanwhile, I’m doing the work on myself. I started therapy this week. When my therapist asked me what I want, I broke down — because I didn’t know. I realized how deeply I’ve buried my own needs, how often I’ve just taken whatever emotional scraps I could get — not just physically, but emotionally. And this isn’t just about my wife. In reflecting on my past relationships, I realized that every serious partner I’ve had had some form of repression, trauma, or emotional avoidance.

And it’s not just coincidence. There’s something about me — my sensitivity, my emotional availability — that seems to attract women who are struggling in some deep way. I’ve always joked that I was raised in a house full of women, and I am emotionally attuned, open, honest. But now I see the shadow side of that: I’ve always prioritized their needs, their pain, their healing — and left mine out of the story.

That’s what I need to change. I need to stop sacrificing myself in order to be “the safe person.” I need to be in relationships — eventually — where my needs, desires, and emotional truths matter just as much. I’m not ready for another relationship yet. I know that any impulse to start dating right now is really just about validation. I want to know someone still finds me attractive. That I could be wanted again. That someone would be present with me — not dissociating, not afraid, not unsure. But I know that’s not healing. That’s a distraction.

So I’m trying to stay with the pain. To learn from it. To do the work. And I wanted to share this here, because reading your stories has helped me feel less alone — and maybe my story might do the same for someone else.

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June 3, 2025 3:24 pm  #7


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Netjer wrote:

......So I’m trying to stay with the pain. To learn from it. To do the work......

“And once the storm is over, you won’t remember how you made it through, how you managed to survive. You won’t even be sure, whether the storm is really over. But one thing is certain, when you come out of the storm, you won’t be the same person who walked in. That’s what this storm’s all about.” ~ Haruki Murakami ~
 


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June 3, 2025 3:49 pm  #8


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Why should you change, you're not the one being hurtful.  you're not the one being deceptive.  No you sound like a really nice and caring man.  Hooray!

and anyway you can't change, sorry, if you have a nice nature that's who you are and anyway, there are a lot of good aspects to it.  The tack I have taken to protect myself is to wait and learn a bit more about the person talking to me before I go along with anything.  Even so I have been caught - this woman told me she was having boyfriend trouble and living in her van and I said she could stay in my studio for 3 nights, well guess who it was who came and picked her up when I finally insisted she leave - her very nice long suffering boyfriend.

I don't think it's at all fair that she asks you to remain silent when you need to talk.  Her family is her family,  but your family and friends?   Each person you tell - so many of us have found it makes such a difference.  It felt like getting the feel of the ground under my feet again, that first person I told.

Last edited by lily (June 3, 2025 3:51 pm)

 

June 3, 2025 8:21 pm  #9


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

lily wrote:

Why should you change, you're not the one being hurtful.  you're not the one being deceptive.  No you sound like a really nice and caring man.  Hooray!

and anyway you can't change, sorry, if you have a nice nature that's who you are and anyway, there are a lot of good aspects to it.  The tack I have taken to protect myself is to wait and learn a bit more about the person talking to me before I go along with anything.  Even so I have been caught - this woman told me she was having boyfriend trouble and living in her van and I said she could stay in my studio for 3 nights, well guess who it was who came and picked her up when I finally insisted she leave - her very nice long suffering boyfriend.

I don't think it's at all fair that she asks you to remain silent when you need to talk.  Her family is her family,  but your family and friends?   Each person you tell - so many of us have found it makes such a difference.  It felt like getting the feel of the ground under my feet again, that first person I told.

Hi Lily,

Thank you so much for your kind and affirming response — it really meant a lot to read your words today. There’s something grounding about hearing from someone who gets it, especially in a space like this where we’re all trying to untangle years of emotional contradictions.

I do try to be kind, and as much as this experience has made me question whether that’s a weakness, I’m starting to see that the real challenge is learning how to protect that kindness without letting it be erased or exploited. I really appreciated what you said about waiting and observing — giving yourself time to understand someone’s truth before jumping in. I struggle with that. I often feel like strength should be used to protect those who can’t protect themselves (in whatever capacity), and I tend to default into protector mode. I’m beginning to see how years of trauma and emotional manipulation led me here — the kind that says, “If you loved me enough, you would accept this...” (yes, I've been told that before). That balance between openness and self-protection is something I’m actively trying to learn. And your studio/van story — I really felt that. It’s a strange kind of heartbreak when compassion meets deceit.

What you said about speaking your truth struck a chord. I’m still figuring out how to honor her privacy while also reclaiming my voice. It helps a lot to hear that telling your story gave you your footing back. I think I’m getting closer to that — one conversation at a time.

Thanks again for reaching out. It makes a big difference.

Warmly,
Netjer

P.S. It really sucks that this is all happening during Pride Week; it's just a little more salt in the wound. 

     Thread Starter
 

June 3, 2025 11:22 pm  #10


Re: Is this the End--or the Middle of Something New?

Remember to be kind to yourself first in all of this. I know the impulse to be nice to the people you love, but right now you need to put yourself first because you're going through a lot. You also need to prioritize your kids but you're no good to them if you can't function. So take care of yourself and don't put her first.

 

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