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It took me so many tries to write that title... is my husband trans? I don't know. He's told me he does not want to become a woman or transition, but he's on estradiol and secretly (not publicly) wearing women's clothes and undergarments.
I'm working on acceptance and supporting him in expressing his feminine side, but I'm struggling emotionally. I'm turned off by his new fashion choices and growing breasts, but I love him so very much. I'm at war with myself.
Now his therapist is recommending he join a local lgbtq group to socialize with more people who understand what he's going through, or try an app to make friends. He said he's found a few apps but most are for dating, he just wants a friend. I'm glad that hes so open and truthful with me, but I'm terrified that he's going to start hanging out with a new group of friends and decide that he doesn't want to be with me after all.
Does anyone have advice for me? I'm trying to stick it out as long as I can because I love him and he's an amazing partner. We have young kids together and neither of us wants to separate.. at least not yet.
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L&L....Welcome to our Forum. When I first saw the title I thought to myself "oh no....another 'not-straight person looking for support in the wrong place".....lol. But you're a woman with a husband who wants to be a woman too yes?
He sounds trans to me. He certainly doesn't sound heterosexual. I only (only...LOL ) had a bisexual (former) spouse but we have a member who, I hope, will see your post and answer you with better advice than me because she knows all about having a transgender spouse and can speak to the heart of your situation.
Elle
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L&L:
I understand completely about the feeling you're "at war with" yourself, as I also felt that way about my now-ex, who was trans-identified. I also remember the feeling of worrying that he would surround himself with others who were trans-identified, and my own life would as a consequence be ruled by his transness. In fact, soon after he first made his announcement he believed himself to be "a woman in a man's body," I told him I wanted a divorce because one reason I didn't want to be married to a trans woman was that I thought my life and our life together would end up revolving around his transness. (I stayed for three years, half of that entirely in his closet; for the final eighteen months, I told a friend, found this forum and starting posting, and found other sites for women in our situation, as well).
Your reaction to your husband's changes are entirely natural. The man you fell in love with and married is changing before your eyes, so of course you are reacting to those changes, especially as the effect of the estrogen and of his clothing and behavioral choices are not simply changes in his style, but changes in the way he perceives himself and wants to be perceived. I told my husband that his maleness was integral to my falling in love with him, and for him to disown and disavow his maleness was painful for me.
Your husband is likely to continue to redefine how he feels about himself as he dresses more and immerses himself more in the TQ community, so you should expect that the position he currently holds about what he feels, how he will want to "express" himself, and whether he stays closeted will change. You may also find that he will redefine your sexuality to match the one he decides is his new one. That means you will be in the unenviable position of not knowing what's coming, not standing on firm ground, always waiting for the next step or pronouncement. You need to be able to talk to a friend, a family member, and a therapist.
I hope you will find a therapist for yourself, one who can help you negotiate your own feelings and help you sort out what you want, and support you. And I don't mean someone who will push you to "accept" your husband's changes and suppress your own feelings and doubts.
Here's one thing I wish I'd known or realized when I made the decision not to leave: as much as I wanted to help, accept, and accompany him on his journey, it was his. He had to figure it out for himself. In fact, my staying made it more difficult for him to face the reality, because he had me and our marriage to "fall back on." I represented the safety of the known, but also the thing from which he most wanted release--he didn't want to be my husband, to be a husband at all, or a man, and so I was also a cause for him to feel resentment. He wanted my approval for his changes, and I couldn't give that, because I didn't want him to change. I wanted him to be happy, but his happiness required my unhappiness.
I did not have young children at the time (our son was an adult), which makes your situation more difficult. I do hope that you will consider their need for stability as you make your decisions. (It may be that living with you will be less disruptive than living in a household in which their father is in a volatile state and you are constantly in reaction mode to his changes.)
I'm so sorry you need to be here, but there are people here who understand.
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Ellexoh_nz wrote:
L&L....Welcome to our Forum. When I first saw the title I thought to myself "oh no....another 'not-straight person looking for support in the wrong place".....lol. But you're a woman with a husband who wants to be a woman too yes?
He sounds trans to me. He certainly doesn't sound heterosexual. I only (only...LOL ) had a bisexual (former) spouse but we have a member who, I hope, will see your post and answer you with better advice than me because she knows all about having a transgender spouse and can speak to the heart of your situation.
Elle
Thank you! Yes I'm a straight woman but it seems like I might be in the perfect place here. I've read a few posts from people in similar situations so that is extremely helpful already
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OutofHisCloset wrote:
L&L:
I understand completely about the feeling you're "at war with" yourself, as I also felt that way about my now-ex, who was trans-identified. I also remember the feeling of worrying that he would surround himself with others who were trans-identified, and my own life would as a consequence be ruled by his transness.
You hit the nail on the head here! I think that's one of the things I'm most worried about, I don't want my life to be ruled by his transness. I don't want to be married to a trans woman, or a woman in general. I feel things already shifting within myself and it makes me so sad. I hate him for waiting until we got married to do this. It feels like he literally baited and switched me, we were together for 10 years before we got married and he never mentioned it once until months after our wedding.
I want him to be happy within his body but I still have doubts that this is the way to do that. I feel like transition and gender affirming care is being pushed on him (and other vulnerable people) instead of trying to understand and treat the root cause. But what do I know?
My husband has always been so open about his feelings so getting this news was a complete shock and felt like it came out of nowhere. Now it seems like it's always the topic of conversation. It's all about what he needs and wants, and I'm just.. here. It's always "I'm gonna ___ is that okay?"
I have so much other stuff going on in my life between caring for our kids, working and finishing my degree in clinical psychology, that I really don't have time for dating or getting another divorce. I think for me right now, the best thing financially is to stay, but it's going to be hard emotionally. I don't want to date again and struggle to make ends meet, that's where I was when I met him 11 and a half years ago. This is all just so disappointing and not where I thought this relationship (or my life) was going.
The worst part is he makes me feel like I'm worrying for nothing. He says we're still gonna grow old together, swears he doesn't want to become a woman or change his name or pronouns, but I'm pretty sure that's the direction this is going. He thinks I should be able to get used to his new look because he's still the same on the inside. But.. it doesn't feel to me like he is. He's constantly complaining and acts like everything that happens is on purpose (ex. The kids don't wash his lunch containers well enough and leave them greasy just bc its him, his coworker purposely doesn't clean up after herself to piss him off, our neighbor parks crooked bc she hates him, etc). I'm so over it.
Thank you for the warm welcome, it really helps to know I'm not alone in this experience!! I appreciate your input
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L&L:
In response to what you wrote:
"But what do I know?" Your analysis is as valid as any other. But the question that follows your perception is "But what can I do about it?" and the answer is "Nothing." That is one source of the frustration you feel. You see what to you is clearly wrong, but you have no power to stop it. You don't control it. And in my experience, expressing your concern to him is not likely to yield the result you'd like. So that means you have to decide what your boundaries and actions will be.
You say that you are both feeling he must have known this about himself before he married you and that it seems to have come out of nowhere. It's likely that he has been feeling these urges for a very long time, although they may have taken another shape or he didn't know how to describe or think of them, until along came the trans craze, and gave him a satisfying answer. And when I say "satisfying," I don't just mean an intellectual explanation, that it satisfied a rational need to understand. I also mean "satisying" in the sexual sense. Have you ever wondered why he has chosen women's undergarments as his garment of choice? If you haven't researched autogynephilia, it's time. Michael Bailey's "The Man Who Would Be Queen" (available as a pdf free online), Ray Blanchard's work, or that of the trans-identified "Anne" Lawrence ("Men Trapped in Men's Bodies" and "Shame and Narcissistic Rage in Autogynephilic Transsexualism") are all good starting places.
The "is that ok?": He is making you into the police force, whether it's the behavior or clothing police, asking you to sanction his behavior. This puts you on the spot, exerting pressure on you to agree, while letting him off the hook of his own decisions and actions but able to defend that as attempting to include you. Here's an experiment for you: say no. Tell him it's not ok. Tell him it makes you uncomfortable, or that it hurts you to see him act and dress like a woman when you are in love with him as a man. See what he says and does. (Read Lawrence on narcissistic rage first.)
Last, This idea that he's "still the same on the inside" is nonsense. Turn that one around: if you can "get used to" him as a woman because he's "still the same on the inside" then why can't he "get used to" himself as a man because he's "still the same on the inside"? The fact is that he's not the same, and he doesn't want to be the same. And if it's supremely important for him to change what he wears and how he behaves and how he identifies sexually (because his emergence as a "lesbian" is also something to expect he will do, too), why shouldn't it be equally important for you? It's important to you that you are in love with your male husband. It's important to you that he not feminize himself through cross-sex hormones and thereby alter his body. You married what you took to be, and what he represented himself to be: a straight man. For him to alter the terms of your marriage and alter himself, and just expect you to "get used to" it, is unrealisitic and unethical in the extreme. But as you see with his belief that everything that happens is about him and "on purpose," the emergence of this trans persona produces a person who is narcissistic in the extreme.
When my now-ex dropped his trans bomb, I, too, thought I needed to stay with him, at least temporarily, because of the finances. As time went by, the deterioration in him and the emotional stress began to outweigh for me the financial incentive to stay. Eventually I came to believe that my earlier belief I needed to stay for the finances was at least partly a rationalization that masked my fear of divorce, my reluctance to have to go through the upending of my life (we'd been married over 30 years), and my hope that he would desist. Staying and engaging with him ended up doing me a great deal of psychic harm from which I have yet to heal, even seven years after the divorce, and ten years after his dropping of his trans bomb. While you stay with him, please make sure you have psychological support from a professional--not one who sees his/her job as pushing you to "accommodate" your husband, and support from friends and family in your everyday life, because that helps you both to cope and to process.
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Hi Lost and Lonely,
My husband came out as trans one year ago. I had already decided to leave him because of years of emotional abuse, he told me because he thought it would make me stay for some reason. I guess it did - I thought that maybe things would change, he was finally being honest and vulnerable, maybe this was a chance for us? Turned out nope, he was the same person he always was. I made the decision to leave. I have 3 young kids. It was/is horrible, but it's the best decision I ever made. I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone and if you feel like leaving is the best decision for you and your kids, it is possible. Hard but possible. Yes, I have suffered financially and I have lost my kids 50% of the time. But I am still happier than I would have been if I stayed. I am a better mom than I would have been if I stayed. I know it's scary, deep breaths, protect yourself - if you decide to stay, see if a postnuptial agreement is possible. You got this.
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Ugh. I am so sorry. Maybe as a first step in the process, let's look at the question "Is my husband trans? I don't know."
Let's clear that up right away. "he's on estradiol and secretly (not publicly) wearing women's clothes and undergarments". This is not stuff that straight men do. At all. Like, not even at gunpoint.
So he's trans. Knowing that, how do you feel?