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January 27, 2025 10:29 pm  #1


Intro to therapy?

Just after Christmas, my wife revealed to me that she is gay, wants to live out honestly and openly, thus wants to separate and divorce. We are 42, been together 20 years and married for 17, kids are 10 12 & 14, we never fight, I truly thought we were completely in love and looking forward to spending 50 more years together.

We are only a couple weeks into this but have told our families, many friends know, told the kids, she has started sleeping at her parents’ house. I am heartbroken and have been in sort of 3-4 day cycles of getting stuck on a particular dark thought and then having a sort of philosophical breakthrough and moving on, only to get upset again a few days later. I get the impression she is just tired of me and ready to move on, and really would rather not see me at all, but has to continue interacting with me because of the kids (and the money, she does not work). This is so shocking and frightening to me because it seems to invert everything I thought I knew about her and our relationship, and our feelings for one another. I cannot emphasize enough how completely I trusted her and believed in our mutual love for one another.

I understand I need a therapist of some sort but I do not have the slightest idea what to make of all the different types and licenses and degrees, it is all these buzzwords. What has worked for you? How do I get started? I am listening to the podcast and the pastor in S5E3 talking about “EMDR” sounds promising, please post if this is something you have tried. The way this guy (Michael Plank) talks about his emotional response is vibing with me so it seems like I could just copy his therapy suggestions and it would be a good bet.

 

January 27, 2025 11:17 pm  #2


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Hi Borogove, 
I'm so sorry for what you're going through. It sucks to be here - and you're in good company.  

Therapy has been absolutely crucial in keeping me pulled together and moving forward (GXH came out a little more than a year ago; my divorce is quite fresh).  I'll pass along the great advice I got when I was looking for a therapist.  The academic degree held by a licensed therapist is not all that important.  What matters is that the therapist is a good fit for you - that you feel like the therapist is someone with whom you can form a good connection and be open.  My therapist has a master's degree in social work, and I wouldn't trade her for a whole truckload of PhDs. 

It might take a while to find the right person for you, and it's totally ok if you try out a few different therapists before you find someone who's a good fit.  One way to start is to ask your friends if they know of anyone who could recommend a therapist.   I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you find a great therapist for you. 

 

January 28, 2025 12:55 am  #3


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Welcome Borogove. A therapist is important but so too is a lawyer
Get thee to a lawyer tout de suite. A free 20 minute appointment for some info.

You've come to the right place for support 😁

Elle

Last edited by Ellexoh_nz (January 28, 2025 1:02 am)


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January 28, 2025 8:16 am  #4


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Currently not going down the divorce route, but I did seek out a therapist. In my case a faith affirming therapist who specializes in edmr. We haven't moved into the edmr portion yet, but I do value being able to have someone to open up to. It's hard to find support for people in our situation, so I think therapy is crucial. Infidelity, or just a dead marriage is one thing, but the same sex attraction adds a whole nother layer of garbage on top.

Found my therapist through a work friend who had mentioned they were in therapy for a totally different issue. I didn't tell them my story, but did say I was looking for one, so they referred me. Maybe ask around and see if you know anyone who has a therapist they could recommend?

You mentioned listening to a pastor? A faith affirming therapist isn't one who won't necessarily preach at you, but will not exclude faith as a means of a coping strategy. They will in essence "affirm" what you believe.

FYI, I'm in a similar boat.24 years together, 20 years married, everything was going really well and I felt like I couldn't love any other person as much as her. Wife then dropped the L bomb. 2 kids, one is 19, the other 16. We're still together. My mind cycles between loving her and despising her. I've had good days, and bad. Ebb and flow.

Just try to be kind to yourself.

 

January 28, 2025 11:43 am  #5


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I haven't gone to therapy yet, but I already have an appointment, after most of the psychologists I found told me they were not taking new patients. This is the first time in my life I will actually go to therapy, and I am the first person in my family to ever do so (mental health was sort of a taboo subject growing up). Just knowing I have that appointment has made me feel a bit better, at least I know I'm taking steps. I don't know how qualified my psychologist will be with this specific subject, but I'm sure they have seen their fare share of cases at some point. Just start by making an appointment and go from there, if that psychologist does not seem like a good fit for you, then maybe go to another one, but at least try is what I would say. Hang on brother, I feel your pain.

 

January 28, 2025 12:54 pm  #6


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I wish this forum technology allowed for flashing neon lights around what Ellexoh said about GETTING A LAWYER. Yes!  

Also, I apologize if this is overstepping, what I'm about to say here. Your post mentions how completely this inverts what you knew about your relationship, and that you completely trusted her and believed in your mutual love.  In my case, when the GXH came out to me, it was like being handed the codebook that explained all his odd behavior over the past couple of years. AND STILL it took me many months to understand that he had a whole other life built already by the time he came out, complete with gay friend group, boyfriend, and a plan for how he thought our assets should be divided up, and a few more to really wrap my head around the depth of deception and the heaping of lies I had been living with.  

It might be really hard in the freshness of the heartbreak, but one reason you need a lawyer is that she might be way out ahead in terms of imagining her new life.  Ours are not ordinary divorces. 

 

January 28, 2025 4:02 pm  #7


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freedmyself wrote:

I wish this forum technology allowed for flashing neon lights around what Ellexoh said about GETTING A LAWYER. Yes! .............
It might be really hard in the freshness of the heartbreak, but one reason you need a lawyer is that she might be way out ahead in terms of imagining her new life.  Ours are not ordinary divorces. 

 

Freed...it took me a couple of years to see a lawyer, and I went in feeling like I was standing on the precipice of a giant chasm. So nervous!! It was a big step to take for me and the decision that seeing a lawyer was necessary only happened after I'd had several sessions with a counsellor and realised that I would need to protect any joint savings etc. I do wish I'd been brave enough or thought it important enough to have investigated legal issues beforehand but....I simply wasn't in the right space to acknowledge that part of what I was going through. 
My advice to get info about/read up on lawyers comes from me already having come through the Mindfuck and knowing that in the end it's better to know what's available and what you're entitled to than find out later your spouse knew it all before you. 

E
 


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January 29, 2025 6:32 am  #8


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Thanks for the advice all. The problem with the lawyers is I can see pretty clearly what I am entitled to… and it’s not a whole lot. I live in a no fault divorce state, and there is no infidelity here anyway. If she wants 50% custody of the kids she will get it. If she wants a 50/50 split of the assets, which are primarily the equity in our home and a 401k, I will have to give it to her. And if she wants child support and spousal support I will have to pay it.

My wife has arranged with her parents that they will move into a retirement community and allow her to use their house rent free, with furniture and utilities all paid for. This doesn’t help me pay any of my bills of course. But the questions are about: will she accept that this generosity from her parents substitutes for alimony/child support payments from me? Will she agree to something less than a 50/50 split of the assets, on her own recognizance of how devastating and disruptive it would be to sell the home right now?

These options are only possible with a negotiated agreement, and once we start talking about what each of us are legally entitled to, I can see only downside for me.

Last edited by borogove (January 29, 2025 6:32 am)

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January 29, 2025 8:38 am  #9


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Borogove - be aware my friend, I was in the same situation. I live in a similar state and same rules. Initially, she told me she only wanted child support. I figured a mediator was much cheaper. Then, she wanted one of the retirement accounts (despite her already having three, albeit much smaller amounts). Long story short, we negotiated and reached agreement 4 times. 4 times I signed, notarized and submitted the papers. 4 times she "changed her mind". So to escape the abuse, I had to file. Any guesses as to what happened then? 11 months later, 50K in legal fees, the day of court, the lawyers speak to the judge and say "this is how they will rule, but you can take it to trial if you want". The deal? 50/50. 

Its your choice, but from my experience, the longer you wait, the more its going to cost you. I ended up with the same 50/50 deal I more or less offered because I knew that wouild be the ultimate result anyway. Oh, the best part? mediation is not allowed in court, meaning I could not bring up the fact that she financially abused me because she did not actually want a divorce, she wanted me to continue to be her support person while enabling her to do whatever she wanted to do and thought I would be ok with that. She lost control of her play thing. 2 years later? She still tries to get to me, still tries to get access to me and my life. I dont let her and my life is amazing as a result. 

Good luck my friend. Tough situation.

 

January 29, 2025 10:07 am  #10


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Borogove: With respect, if you aren't a divorce lawyer you don't know what your options are.  A lawyer can tell you whether if your wife lives rent free in her parents' house that will affect any child or spousal support.  
For me, seeing a lawyer was a momentous step to take (as it was for Ellexoh), partly because to me it felt as if it were the step at which I had to give up hope we wouldn't divorce.  But it was a very necessary step to take, both for the information and in letting go of my hope in the face of clear evidence that my marriage was over. 

 

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