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December 9, 2024 10:49 am  #1


It's Mostly Working but...

Hi Everyone 

I've been following Our Path/SSN for a few years now. The articles, podcasts and book recommendations have been helpful. I posted this in Our Stories over 2 years ago and have updated it periodically as the story has changed. I'm bringing it into this forum to get your thoughts on the recent developments in the last 2 paragraphs. Thank you!!!
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My story sounds similar to many here, I've been married 24 years and we have an 18 and 21 year old. Broadly speaking after our second child was born sexual intimacy was greatly reduced, there wasn't much explanation offered when I questioned "Why am I always initiating intimacy". 

By mid-2014 my wife was spending a lot more time with a neighbor friend of ours and ultimately they started an affair. One of the things that's odd about my story is that the 3 of us were great friends even while my relationship with my wife became less and less intimate. My wife and I  still had a great time together in all other respects. 

On one of my attempts to have a deeper discussion about happiness and what the heck was going on with our sex life, and after another evasive set of answers, I decided I was up for anything. The neighbor's wife and I, the friend that my wife was having an affair with, started a year long flirt fest, and eventually we started an affair that lasted 2 years. 

Yes, my wife was sleeping with the neighbor's wife from 2014-2018 and I was also sleeping with her from 2016-2018 and neither of us knew it. However, her husband eventually figured it out and at the end of an ugly weekend of us both thinking the other was going to hear from the husband, we sat down and told each other the truth. We were both shocked. 

So as it turns out my wife was more into the idea of being a lesbian than the neighbor, and was ultimately hoping to steal the neighbor's wife away and live happily ever after. However, immediately after the the big blow-up and the neighbor's wife stopped seeing us, we went through a process of rebound sex for a few weeks (initiated by her every time), then a few months of crying because she missed her girlfriend, then eventually a realization that neither of us wanted a divorce because most of our life together, except for the sex (which had fallen way off again) was quite good.

By the way, the neighbor's didn't get a divorce either.

4 years later, we've made some compromises on intimacy, it isn't what either of us want fully. I don't think either of us have been with anyone else. We both talk openly about various attractions or things that we would like. Recently, during an alcohol soaked Friday night she brought up something I had suggested early on after the big reveal, that is, that we both find a "friend" (different friends this time) that fills out the piece that is missing for both of us. A month later and no one has made the first move do anything about it. 

So that's it, for now. I'll update my slow motion train wreck with more developments as they occur.  Thanks for reading, it was good to get a short version of the story written down.

***2 years later and here's the update***

We still love each other, still have a great time being married, and we still talk about opening things up. She seems (in my opinion) to go through cycles of longing for a female companion (voraciously reading lesbian love novels and watching movies on the subject). We've introduced watching lesbian porn (thank you Erika Lust) into our weekly version of phyiscal intimacy, which seems to work though in a detached way....her attenton is clearly on the video.

I've dabbled in looking over profiles in Ashley Madison seeking someone in a similar situation though never going any further than an occasional chat. My wife is well aware but hasn't dabbled in this activity herself, at least not yet. It's been discussed but we both would like to keep our relationship the primary one and fear a third party for either of us would complicate things. That said, she wants to experience a women again and I want an occasional "normal" phyiscal encounter...so the discussions continue. 

Likely none of this update is surprising so far. Here's the new winkle, she wants to come out to her girlfriends. Friends from college that she will be going on a trip to Napa with, all straight (I think). One of them knows the story of the neighbor and that's she's a lesbian not truly bi. So, we'll see how this goes. I expect she'll get a lot of support but also a lot of questions and maybe some pressure to more fully lead a life out of the closet. 

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End of year update 12/6/24

Since the Napa trip in April, my wife has only come out to 3 close friends, there hasn't been any movement in getting further out of the closet. However, as I mentioned above, things seem to go in cycles of intense lesbian identification and angst, and then back to happy hetero homelife and marriage. This summer it was all about happy hetero homelife, vacations, a new home and time with friends.

This fall I could sense a stir. She started listening to a "late in life lesbian" podcast on Spotify on solo drives to our weekend place, on weeks when I came down a bit earlier in the week than she. It started automatically playing in the car one day when I was in her passenger seat as she drove. Then, this month as I helped her find a workout video on YouTube, "Lesbian Sex" was listed in recent searches. None of her desire for women is a secret so we laugh this kind of stuff off. 

What's new and different is that this week she paid $5 to join a zoom call sponsered by the "late in life lesbian" podcast. From her description it sounded like some type of group therapy where married women meet to discuss how they have come to the realization that they are lesbians. After making sure her Zoom account had a fictious last name (god forbid someone recognized her or looked her up) her orignal plan was to spend a couple minutes on the call, see what's what's, then drop off.....but of course she stuck with it for 2 hours. This group also does group trips for late in life lesbians and other types of gatherings. 

So the plot thickens. Next time I check in to discuss my slo-mo train wreck, we'll see how this has all progressed. Does she engage more online, does she go on one of the outings (no pun intended), and of course, does another woman eventually come into the picture. 

Last edited by Pete (December 9, 2024 10:38 pm)

 

December 9, 2024 2:41 pm  #2


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

Hi Pete,

Do the group meetings or her coming out to friends bother you? I think it's a good think our partners are coming into their identities. I voraciously encourage these things for my husband.

I know it can feel very scary. What if they become increasingly comfortable and then leave me for a person of the same sex? But that implies that she is staying with you out of fear and confusion, rather than out of love and commitment. I don't think that's the case, but even if it was, wouldn't you rather find out?

My husband has come out to close friends and even some colleagues. He's wearing bisexual bracelet and is open about his bisexuality if people ask. I thought it was very good for him! He also came out to a very close 'friend', who he had a major crush on prior to meeting me. It was the hardest thing for me, because frankly I think the other guy is also ssa and likes my husband. Ooofff... last time I was in the room with them (after the coming out) the chemistry was palpable. But I think, as Shrek says, "better out than in". I would rather these feelings came up to the surface so  he can process them or even act on them if that's what we both agree on, rather than have them brewing in the background.

Group meetings can also be very validating. My husband is bi, and it's probably quite different. He doesn't relate to gay guys that well. He looked for bisexual men groups but couldn't find any, so he had to join a religious group (he is not religious). He says their dynamic fits him well. They all are in monogamous marriages to women and this is how largely he wants to remain, so their conversations are very relatable. Maybe a group for lesbians that are married to men might be helpful for your wife? Community of like minded people is very important.

Last edited by Alex1984 (December 9, 2024 2:59 pm)

 

December 9, 2024 4:07 pm  #3


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

Sounds like you're both invested enough in your marriage to not want to upset the routine you have.... All the while with neither of you truly satisfied with what you have..
That'll carry on till one of you wants to change it.

I wish you well

Ellexoh


KIA KAHA                       
 

December 9, 2024 6:39 pm  #4


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

Pete -

If it's advice you want - I'd say consult your attorney and get your settlement agreement draft done.  If it's personal reaction - at least you have your sense of humor (I did too for the first few years), I agree with Elle though, sounds like it's not satisfying at all.  As I move to the end of the divorce process I'm realizing how much I look forward to a partner in all things, not just the perfect life we built together.  It's a scary prospect for me but slowly becoming more exciting as I think of someone wanting all of me.

Keep us posted, 
"Marie"

 

December 9, 2024 10:31 pm  #5


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

@Alex1984-Better out than in--love it! Yes, I think the group therapy for folks in the same situation may help, less isolating for her, still it's a progression, and curious if it'll be a stabilizing influence or cause for more dramatic changes.
 

Last edited by Pete (December 9, 2024 10:32 pm)

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December 9, 2024 10:36 pm  #6


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

@MarieSmith-Drafting an agreement to put what we had in a long lost and unfound signed copy of our pre-nup would be a wise thing have in my back pocket. We both are pretty equal financially, but good to get something written down. Thx

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December 10, 2024 5:52 am  #7


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

Pete, you're smart to have had a prenup done, something I never would have thought.  You can always just do an updated post nup together so that if something happens the details are already taken care of, I so wish I had done that.  At first my husband was going to take care of me and the kids but as time went on he became even more focused on himself and refused what he originally agreed.  I stayed at home with the kids since my early 20s - and never graduated college- so there is a vast disparity in finances and career potential.  A post nup would have saved me years of my life and a ton in legal fees, like you said just to have in your back pocket "in case."  

Last edited by MarieSmith (December 10, 2024 6:08 am)

 

December 10, 2024 12:19 pm  #8


Re: It's Mostly Working but...

Post-nup should be in the "first aid kit!" It should replace point 3C, which tells people to stop having sex with their partners. That one is completely unnecessary, unless you suspect your partner has unprotected sex with other people (many don't).

I'm all for promoting MoR (as you might notice), but I believe it's a great idea to ask for a post-nup post-disclosure! If you feel you are putting your mental health at risk, ask for more as "danger pay"! PARTICULARLY, if your spouse insists on staying closeted - you will have the advantage in negotiations. Personally, however, I would never be able to stay with a closeted person. Him coming out was one of the conditions of us staying together.

 

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