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December 5, 2024 10:30 am  #1


Have I been a fool?

Hi,
My husband and I are in our late 50s and been married for 34 years, we have two children, and I love him dearly but every so often in our marriage I have felt something is not right. I usually assumed I was the one at fault. When we first got together sex was great, frequent and at the time my husband used to joke that I was a nymphomaniac. But soon after we started living together it started to dwindle until we were rarely having sex at all and only when I initiated it. At the time we were young and having money troubles so I put it down to the fact we were both stressed but really the only time we since that we have had regular sex is when we were trying for children and once I was pregnant sex would stop again. Whenever I tried to talk about it he would either get angry and we would have a fight or he would clam up and say nothing. The thing is  knew he was regulary masturbating and I just didn't seem to be part of his sex life.

Ever since I have known my husband he has had a mixture of mail and female firends for many years he had one male friend he spent alot of his time with and when he came to the house I used to joke that his boyfriend was here to seem him. That friendship ended when his friend moved to a different country. Since then my husband has developed a srong friendship with a married woman as they both share similar sports interests.

There were also times when I would catch him watching TV programs or films with gay content late at night and I commented that he seemed more interested in watch two guys kissing than coming to bed with me, but he just denied it switched off the TV and came to bed but no sex. I don't want to make it sound like we never had sex, we did from time to time when I initiated it but there was little foreplay and the act itself was over in minutes, I knew he was just faking orgasm.

Eventually you just get use to a life were disappointing sex features ever two to three months and that my husband would rather see to himself than have sex with me. However, in other aspects of our life could be good. My husband could be very loving and affectionate, we were best friends, had two happy and beautiful boys and as jobs and money improved ouver the years we had a very comfortable life.

Until five years ago when I discovered a load of women's underwear that had been left in the dryer. I didn't know what to think and confronted my husband about it. He then confessed to me that he likes to dress in women's clothes and has been doing this for years behind my back. I felt so betrayed and lied to, I asked him if he even found me attractive which he said he did and that it isn't unusual for straight men to crossdress. At the time the very thought of him dress in womens clothes, in make up, painted nails etc just turned my stomach. I told him I needed to seek councelling and we agreed that we should both talk to separate councelors.

All through this I still love my husband and he says he loves me. We have stayed together and crossdressing became a don't ask don't tell affair and I turn a blind eye to the fact, he only wears women's underwear and owns more bras than I do. We did agree to try and make changes to our life spend more quality time together and re-invigorate our sex life. I found a vibrator that he had bought for me but it didn't really do that much for me and he seemed disappoint when I told him but explained that he was looking for the right time to present it to me. However as time went on we fell back into our same rut of irregular sex that he doesn't seem very engaged in. Covid did mean that we spent some time together and we did talk about how he felt and I tried to understand why he felt compelled to dress in women's clothes. He couldn't really give an explaination other than it felt right and that really he didn't really feel like a man nor does he feel like a woman he just feels like himself.

The most recent development is that I received an odd text from my husband containing a wordle and lots of kisses, when I asked him about it he seemed horrified and said it was meant for his friend, the woman who shares his sporting interests. Instantly I assumes they were having an affair and that this was the end of our marriage, he denied that he was having and the texts were just a bit of fun between friends and that his friend was the only one he could spend time with dress as a woman and they had developed a bond as girlfriends. We agreed to go to marriage councelling work through this, I do love my husband and want to be with him but I want him to be with me. Having come out oof councelling I believe he is not having an affair and that their relationship is part of his crossdressing which I have ignored for five years but I have started to wonder if there is something deeper than just crossdressing, I started to reseach on line and many of the stories I have read about women who have married gay or men who turn out to be transgender women seem so similar to mine. I really don't know what to think now, have I been a best friend rather than a wife for all these years? Am I a fool living like this despite my love for my husband and our children? What should I do? Am I prepared to end our marriage? Can I even go it alone at my age? I feel so lost at the moment.

 

December 5, 2024 2:57 pm  #2


Re: Have I been a fool?

I don't have a response for you as my situation was vastly different, but I'm lurking in here just about every day. I can at the very least say I'm sorry you are going through this, but you are not alone. You are seen and heard. There are definitely people in here who have been in situations just like yours. It might take them a bit to respond.

 

December 5, 2024 3:38 pm  #3


Re: Have I been a fool?

WorriedEm wrote:

.... What should I do? Am I prepared to end our marriage? Can I even go it alone at my age? I feel so lost at the moment.

Welcome to our Forum Em. For older women who've been in marriages/r'ships for years and years this Mindfuck is a most horrendous, confusing and hurtful thing that can slowly, sneakily happen to a woman who thinks her life is good and the person she's living it with is on her side. 
I finally ended my 38 yr r'ship with a man I thought I would spend the rest of my life with. It took me 6 years from the time I told him I could no longer be intimate with him...to having all my personal, financial, legal and emotional ducks in a row to separate. 
It's not an easy road, or quick (I think a woman would have to be absolutely resolute in herself to do this monumental thing any faster) but the most important thing to do is not keep this to yourself. Trust a good friend, or a family member to listen to you because talking about your situation to somebody else will help. Your husband doesn't need, or deserve, to know your thoughts yet.

This is not an easy decision to make, some women decide to stay....for many reasons, others aren't prepared to put up with what their lives have become. I'm 66 and life is real different, difficult. But I'd never go back to living the easy, privileged life with my former partner.

Edited to say.....no way have you been a fool. Women aren't the foolish ones in this Mindfuck.

Elle
 

Last edited by Ellexoh_nz (December 5, 2024 3:55 pm)


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December 5, 2024 5:17 pm  #4


Re: Have I been a fool?

Lostandconfused1234 wrote:

I don't have a response for you as my situation was vastly different, but I'm lurking in here just about every day. I can at the very least say I'm sorry you are going through this, but you are not alone. You are seen and heard. There are definitely people in here who have been in situations just like yours. It might take them a bit to respond.

 
Thanks for the response no the less. Someone else simply acknowleding me and my situation lends a bit of support.

Em

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December 5, 2024 5:34 pm  #5


Re: Have I been a fool?

Thanks also for your response Elle,

Part of my problem is I don't know who to talk to, I lost my sister two years ago and I don't know who else I could trust with this, I feel so isolated and alone. These thoughts are crippling me but I know if I try and say something to him now he will deny anything is going on. I don't know if I should look for evidence of something and that way I could confront him with that, but I don't know how to start. Instead I just end up crying myself to sleep while he stays up working on his computer.

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December 5, 2024 5:51 pm  #6


Re: Have I been a fool?

Looking for evidence with the idea of confronting him is really not a good idea - it's like you are thinking well If I showed him I have evidence he'd have to talk seriously with me, well he knows already and he's shown no sign of wanting to talk straight with you, has he.

Talking with us here is a good start.  But talking with someone on the ground will do things for you.  You've been caught up in a relationship with him and now you need to have some wider ground to stand on.  ie it's not about talking with him, it's about talking with others.

I was long term too, it's horrible to wake up to but it is also a blessing because now you can do something to look after yourself.

I just did not want my whole life to have been about him and I must say for all and for everything I am so grateful to have the free air.

 

December 5, 2024 7:08 pm  #7


Re: Have I been a fool?

Hi Em,

I ended a 30+ year marriage recently, and it was both the hardest thing I ever did, and the most necessary. Like Elle, it took me about 6 years. Things about my ex's sexuality were disclosed to me little by little, and I slowly realized that no relationship was better than an unhappy, confusing one.

Please get your financial house in order now, on your own, without talking to your husband about what you are doing. It will give you a solid base from which to make a decision. Talk with a financial divorce professional and a lawyer. You have every right to do this without telling your husband. And it doesn't mean you are making the choice to leave the marriage. It just means that you are empowering yourself to make whatever decision you choose.

On the main site here, you can request personal support if you'd like to talk to a volunteer. You can also post on this forum as much as you'd like, ask any questions you want, and read other posts.

It's devastating when a marriage falls apart, and confusing situations like this make it even harder. I am sorry you find yourself here. 

You will be okay. In all of this, put yourself first. All the feelings are so normal. They're huge and overwhelming at first, as is the confusion, but it gets better and easier with time.

Wishing you well,

Anon 765

 

December 5, 2024 8:36 pm  #8


Re: Have I been a fool?

My comments in red....

WorriedEm wrote:

....Part of my problem is I don't know who to talk to, I lost my sister two years ago and I don't know who else I could trust with this, I feel so isolated and alone. You must find somebody to confide in. This will tear you up if you keep it to yourself. How about a counsellor? Not the same as a soft place to fall with somebody who knows you but a professional who is there for you, to listen to youThese thoughts are crippling me but I know if I try and say something to him now he will deny anything is going on. Yeah nah....leave him out of it. You don't need his reactions to sway you from your own feeling that something is not right. I don't know if I should look for evidence of something and that way I could confront him with that, but I don't know how to start. No to confrontation, yes always be on the lookout for/aware of events that don't sit right with you. Remember stuff, write info down.  Instead I just end up crying myself to sleep while he stays up working on his computer. Crying's good. It can be cathartic because one day you'll say to yourself "why am I crying, I should be angry!"...

 

Elle
 


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December 6, 2024 4:46 am  #9


Re: Have I been a fool?

Thank you for your words Lily, Anon and Elle,

I know I can get access to counselling through work, that might be a place to start, but talking about this to someone else seems like I am betraying the man I have loved since I was a teenager. I really don't know how to start to talk to one of my friends about this, it feels almost like I am the one coming out.

As far as finances are concerned, my husband is always the one who has dealt with the money side of things, I gave up my career to bring up the children so for many years he was the only one bringing in money.

I still feel I want to talk this through with him and try to fix our marriage it is all I have known for most of my life and I don't want to it to fall apart. When we finished our last lot of marriage guidance counselling this felt positive like we had turned a corner. I want to fight to keep that, rether than returning to the same old rut we have been in for so long. I do still love him even though it hurts.

Em

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December 6, 2024 9:03 am  #10


Re: Have I been a fool?

WorriedEm wrote:

 it feels almost like I am the one coming out.

Em

Hi Em,

You put this so well, and that is a feeling I shared as well. I felt so very much shame in telling people my ex was (then) identifying as bi (I believe he now identifies as gay). But it did help to open up to someone. First, it was my best friend. And when I opened up, she opened up about a secret she was carrying. So it brought us closer. I hope you can find a friend to lean on, as well as connecting with a counsellor.

Even if you do stay married and your marriage becomes stronger because of this, do get a clear picture of your finances. It's something women often neglect - I did too, and also chose kids over career. But it can be a huge mess to untangle if your spouse pre-deceases you, or if you do decide to leave. 

I hope you find what you want in your marriage. It sounds like, at the moment, leaving and staying both come with their own share of pain. Good luck with the difficult decisions that lie ahead.

Anon 765

 

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