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August 9, 2021 9:35 am  #1


Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

This psychological condition frequently develops in what are termed neuro-diverse relationships with a neuro-typical spouse who is in a relationship with someone who is on the autism spectrum. After spending time reading the various posts on this site, I can conclude that there is a direct correlation between the suffering of straight spouses and the suffering of neuro-typical spouses. The term “Cassandra Syndrome” is not popular, due to the fact that there are far too many syndromes banded about these days. The more acceptable term now used is Affective Deprivation Disorder, or AfDD for short.
 Neuro-typical spouses frequently find that sometime after a relationship begins, the intimacy and physical closeness between the partners dies off, oftentimes completely. The theory behind this rests on the inability of the autistic partner to maintain the “mask” of normalcy required for navigating the neuro-typical world. The “mask” will slip when in the comfort of the home as this is a safe and familiar place. The effort required to “mask” behaviour outside of this environment can still be mentally exhausting and can overwhelm the autistic individual into meltdowns when in the home.
The sudden lack of affection is also sometimes served with a dose of negative and hostile behaviours towards the neuro-typical spouse who then finds themselves shunned by the person they love. To the outside world, the relationship can seem to be totally normal due to the fact that the autistic partner can still “mask” their behaviours when out in public. The autistic partner then uses the neuro-typical partner to help them navigate the social intricacies of the world and thus allows them to be accepted in it. In the long term, this AfDD has profound psychological and physical effects on the neuro-typical spouse manifesting frequently as:

Emotional health

Feeling extremely disappointed with the relationship
Feeling confused
Feeling angry
Feeling guilty
Low self-esteem
Loss of self-identity
Loss of faith in yourself

Mental health

Anger and frustration
Listlessness and depression
Anxiety
Phobias or social phobias
Developing Asperger’s ways

Physical Health

Migraines
Loss or gain in weight
Premenstrual tension
Low immune system​

Although AfDD does not appear as a separate diagnosis in the current DSM, the collection of symptoms frequently lead to a diagnosis of PTSD, or CPTSD to be precise. The loss of intimacy and closeness in any relationship can have devastating effects on the mental health of the partner who is still emotionally invested in the partnership. If you simply replace “Neuro-typical spouse” with “Straight Spouse”, and “Autistic Spouse” with “LGBTQA+ Spouse” the correlation is obvious. Another direct correlation exists in the use of “masks” and “beards” to maintain social acceptance on behalf of the autistic/LGBTQA+ spouse. This leads to the Cassandra effect of creating a false self and life that a neuro-typical/Straight spouse has to endure in an effort to maintain the relationship. The neuro-typical spouse is forced to live in a neuro-diverse private world behind closed doors, the straight spouse likewise behind the closed closet doors.
 It could be that in the future AfDD is accepted into the DSM. If this is the case then training in the specific treatment of the condition could be available to mental health professionals who can then use this diagnosis to better treat those who are suffering. The need for emotional and physical closeness is a basic normal human need. It is not on a list of “nice to haves” for any neuro-typical human being. Unfortunately for some of us, this cannot be found in diverse relationships whether the disparity is in neurology or orientation. 
 You can never excuse the behaviour of some of the LGBTQA+ spouses on this forum (which has often been simply deplorable towards individuals who loved them), but they are in many ways similar to neuro-diverse autistic partners who are in relationships with neuro-typical or straight spouses. They are frequently unaware, or indifferent to the damage that is being done to the neuro-typical or straight spouse. So we can use the experiences of neuro-diverse relationships to further the understanding of the damage done to straight partners in orientation-diverse relationships by giving it a name, Affective Deprivation Disorder.

Ordinary guy

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August 9, 2021 11:45 am  #2


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

The meltdown is a result of the overwhelming effort required to manage their behaviours in certain scenarios. When the safe place is reached and they relax, the outpouring of built-up tension can be spectacular and is often directed at something the neuro-typical or straight spouse feels is absolutely inconsequential. The burden of carrying the “deceit” builds as emotional pressure, and must be vented over and over again as it builds. Without the ability to vent, you may well have to endure complete meltdowns. Sometimes after a meltdown a sense of calm comes over the neuro-diverse/LGBTQA+ spouse to the point where they don’t seem to have a conscience over what was said or done. Almost as if it didn’t happen at all. The issue is then with the neuro-typical/straight spouse, who remembers what was said and how it was said. Over time, this is damaging to point where it is effectively abusive in its actual end result. The straight/neuro-typical spouse is then left holding all of the emotional angst with nowhere for it to go other than for it to be internalised. Ultimately very unhealthy for the innocent and bewildered spouse. Repeated episodes lead to the AfDD response and symptoms above.


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August 9, 2021 12:12 pm  #3


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

A quick point I missed on the role of Cassandra syndrome in straight spouses following disclosure by the LGBTQA+ spouse. When the closet doors are flung open and the LGBTQA+ spouse is open about themselves to others, the straight spouse is largely ignored or discounted in the melee of well wishers and supporters. This leads to Cassandra syndrome in the straight spouse, who feels they have been denied the opportunity to have their truth acknowledged. Sadly, they can feel cast aside and alone at the very time when their pain and suffering is at its height. Mental health professionals and counsellors should direct all of their efforts in healing and understanding the straight spouse with Cassandra syndrome. The only cure for which is to be listened to, heard and acknowledged. Only after this can the rebuilding process begin.

Last edited by Ordinary guy (August 9, 2021 12:15 pm)


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October 21, 2024 6:34 am  #4


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

Though I can't find much research online, reading through the forum it seems quite of MOMs have an autism factor in play in the family. I have 3 kids diagnosed autistic & my nearly ex-wife (who suddenly now dates women) has some autistic tendencies. I starting to think it is not a coincidence.

 

October 21, 2024 7:44 am  #5


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

....I was the neuro-diverse individual in the marriage.

My former "husband" would have been the "neuro-typical" and LGBTQ spouse. One of the things I found out, after the marriage implosion, was that (because I was neuro-divergent) I was actually more vulnerable to his manipulation and lies. One of the issues I have is taking what people say at face value. I have a difficult time interpreting when someone is lying, or when actions and words don't match.

While I could see some correlations, probably with more severe levels of autism, in relationships to a MOM marriage, I do not think there is the level of overlap you are talking about. My spouse is not on the spectrum, and a large portion of those I have spoken with didn't have spouses on the spectrum (in fact, more of the straight spouses were on the spectrum than the LGBTQ spouses).

I think personality disorders are much more likely in LGBTQ spouses, than autism, and it is a unique form of domestic abuse. I would have to do more research into the topic....but I don't think there is any research supporting GID spouses having autism....correlation does not equal causation.

 

 

October 25, 2024 9:06 am  #6


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

Thanks Anon.. Well that would explain why I see autism cropping up frequently in posts around MOMs. As a father of autistic children it is a daily worry for me that mine are more susceptible to manipulation. 

I did read some limited online research that women on the spectrum may have higher likelihood of 'sexual fluidity' - but nothing definitive. Really, I am just scratching around in the dark trying to find a simple explanation of how I ended up in this position. I hoped if I could pin a label or condition as cause of my spouses' orientation change it would make it more palatable in some way.

 

October 25, 2024 9:16 pm  #7


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

Hi Paul,  yes agreed I have noticed a high incidence of autism, special needs children being talked about where there is a MOM.

I really don't think it's possible to do more than scratch around in the dark though - you're never going to get statistics that are useful when so many people hide their sexual orientation.

You talk of your wife having a change of orientation - that strikes me as highly unlikely, the normal story we hear here is of a woman who hides being same sex attracted and the only change is not hiding it any more.

 

October 31, 2024 3:23 am  #8


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

 Thanks for your input, Lily.

I’ve been searching for a way to understand my wife’s apparent change in orientation. She insists she didn’t realize she was gay until she suddenly began dating a (younger) woman. She says she’s now attracted to specific people, regardless of gender.

Honestly, I’m not entirely comfortable with her response (intimacy wasn’t a priority for her in our marriage), but it’s true that some people are "sexually fluid," which may be more common with autism. Maybe she knew, maybe she suppressed it, maybe she was in denial, maybe she truly didn’t know, or perhaps autism led her to “mirror” what she saw as a "normal life." After some thought, I’m willing to accept her explanation.

We've been married for 24 years. I was blissfully happy for the first 17, but the next 7 years declined as she became more distant until she met someone else and our marriage finally fell apart. Now, 6 months later, I’m separated, living on my own, dating a straight woman, and on good terms (so far) with my soon-to-be ex-wife.

Marriage seems to involve many components including—love, trust, friendship, fidelity, a natural desire to reproduce, and of course, sexual desire (even that can range from minimal to intense). I’ve made peace with the fact that, for those first 17 years, enough of these elements were in place to make our marriage the real thing. This realization has helped me forgive her, forgive myself diminishing myself in a failing marriage, and move forward with my life with only rare moments of bitterness - all while feeling compassion for her well-being. The more I do this, really, the better my own life seems to become.

My limited search for an autism connection may be my way of minimizing my soon-to-be ex-wife’s role in our marriage breakdown, allowing me to think she’s "just wired differently"—at root it’s nobody’s fault—so I can fully let go without lingering lingering doubts or resentments.

Maybe I’m in denial, but if so, I’m okay with that... for now.


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*that felt cathartic!

Last edited by Paul2024 (October 31, 2024 5:12 am)

 

October 31, 2024 6:43 pm  #9


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

I think there's a lot of fancy footwork around same sex attraction - generations of it.

I don't believe someone with opposite sex orientation is ever 'sexually fluid' - I remember as a teenager feeling like I knew nothing but I did know it was boys.  That was when things could get all thingy,  Come to think of it I remember this boy at primary school - when he was around things got all sparky.  I can still remember his name!

So you know there it is, that 'messing with your head' thing - she insists she didn't realise she was gay, ie same sex oriented, until she began dating a younger woman. 

And then she says she's now attracted to specific people regardless of gender, fine, but in terms of romantic love, in terms of the monogamy of pair bonding, hasn't she got a girlfriend, didn't she just say she had realised she was gay???  

My lawyer gave me a figure.  She said this is what family court will award you, don't accept anything less.  So I did my best but did not entirely succeed - I did not want it to turn into a fight.  wishing you the best of luck, Lily






 

 

 

November 1, 2024 2:18 am  #10


Re: Cassandra Syndrome and AfDD in straight spouses

lily wrote:

I think there's a lot of fancy footwork.....

What a good way to describe what they do Lily

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