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October 11, 2024 7:34 pm  #1


The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

I never thought I would be here.  My wife came out to me about a month ago.  We have 3 kids and have been married 17 years.  She is devastated by all of this, and obviously so am I.  She swears, "we are not getting divorced, what we have is sacred, and we will figure this out together."  And I would absolutely love for that to be the case.  But how can it be?  Looking for a little hope in a seemingly hopeless and long situation.  THere is still a lot of love and care between the two of us, and genuine affection.  But it is obviously different now.  and how the reality we create matches what is in her head (we still live together, move together, are each other's medical care directors down the road) feels impossible.  This is so scary.  Ideally in a few years I would want to be thriving in a fully hetero relationship, while she is also thriving in a relationship of her choosing, and we are best friends and co-parents.  I don't know how to get there.  And my heart aches, often literally, to contemplate it.  Knowing how torn up she also is, and how much uncertainly she has about what she wants down the road, doesn't necessarily make me feel better but it does help validate our marriage.  I'm at the absolute beginning of this....where to next?   

 

October 11, 2024 8:20 pm  #2


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Hi Ikey,

Welcome to the club of where we never thought we'd be. If you read some of the other posts on the site, you'll see that there is more than one way to navigate this. Here's my advice which (as I tell my kids) you are free to ignore:

1. Always consider your interests and the interests of the children first. How do you feel? What do you want? Things will evolve. Put yourself and your needs first. It's not selfish to do so.
2. Get your financial house in order and consult a lawyer about separation/divorce as soon as you can - just in case. It may not come to that because, truly, every situation is different. But it is so much better to be prepared now. And you don't have to tell your wife you're doing it.
3. Definitely find someone to confide in.  A friend (or several), a therapist, all of the above. Talking to someone about your concerns and feelings is not the same as "outing" your wife. You have every right to support. If you go to couples therapy, also go to individual therapy to help you sort out what's coming up in your couple.

I don't know how your situation is going to unfold. Often, spouses come out, and then it's discovered that they were cheating/lying/using porn, they don't want to leave the comfy marriage to truly be out, and things just go downhill from there. But sometimes they come out, the couple works together and everyone winds up friends and happily re-partnered, like you wish. I hope the best for you.

There's lots of experience and wisdom here, so keep posting. Best of luck,

Anon 765

 

 

October 12, 2024 9:42 am  #3


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Hi Ikey,

I think the way that you are already dreaming of a hetero relationship speaks volumes about what your needs are - of course it matters just as much as it feels like.  Good for you.

I'm wondering about your wife's use of the word sacred about your marriage - presumably she has romantic feelings over a woman to have disclosed her sexuality to you?  

I'm not surprised she feels uncertain about her future without having you there to look after her.

So hopefully you have some people that you can talk to about this, it is so good to have someone on the ground that you can talk with, particularly your family.  I started with a friend and then I had a panic attack and so the next person I told was my doctor as he was listening to my heart.  He set me up with counselling and then insisted I keep coming in and get my blood pressure tested - it was very high - it was two or three weeks before it came back down to normal.

 

 

October 12, 2024 10:13 am  #4


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Ikey7, 

 I'm sorry you've had to join the club none of us wanted to belong to.  My sympathies.

 Anon 765's suggestions are good ones. 

In the spirit of the first suggestion, to consider first how you feel and what you want, I suggest you confront the reality that what you say you want--a heterosexual relationship with another woman--and what she has said--that you aren't getting divorced and your marriage is sacred--can't co-exist.  The reality is that they can't.  Perhaps your wife feels at some level guilty for what her revelation of same-sex attraction has put into play in your lives, and that's why she's saying what she is about things between you and in your marriage and family staying as they are.  But as you more clearly perceive, nothing is the same any longer, and it can't be put back the way it was.  Even if on the surface everything looks the same, underneath the ground has shifted.  (In my own marriage, I always held out hope that the lack of intimacy we had--not just sexual--might one day be resolved, but once I knew my now-ex was not straight, I knew that the problems could never be resolved, so what I was looking at, if I stayed in the marriage, was a lifelong continuation of the status quo, with no hope of resolution.  That was not something I was willing to commit to or undergo.)

This means that Anon's second suggestion, to visit a lawyer, is indeed a necessity.  You need to have a clear understanding of what separation and divorce will entail, what your obligations will be, what the custody arrangements might look like, and how to both provide for your children and protect your own financial future.  

The decision to consult a lawyer is a momentous and emotional one, so making the decision to reach out for and getting support, whether that's to/from a close friend, family, or a therapist, will help as you navigate this difficult passage.  

 

October 12, 2024 12:37 pm  #5


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

The thoughtful replies here mean so much to me.  Our story looks a lot different than others is what I'm seeing right now.  My wife does not have a specific interest in another woman.  Just came to the conclusion of being gay/queer after many many years of intense therapy dealing with depression, an emotionally abusive upbringing, and child raising stress that breaks most people.  I've always been so proud of us that we managed to stay together through all of it.  And our level of intimacy, whether emotional or sexual, was always much better than other couples (any I've known, honestly).  And she has said, "at some point I may want to pursue a relationship with a woman, but that is so far down the road..."  And honestly she's right.  With 3 kids and 1 income, nothing is going to happen quickly.  But your suggestions, while heartbreaking, I understand.  Just going to have trouble taking that step.  We are so early in this process, but I get where everyone is coming from.  

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October 12, 2024 1:16 pm  #6


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

ikey7 wrote:

. .....My wife does not have a specific interest in another woman....... 

 
Whether she does it doesn't is not the point. She has changed the dynamics of the relationship you have together.

"...at some point she may want to pursue a relationship with a woman, but that is so far down the road...."

This tells me she's been thinking (and planning) about her decisions for longer than you think.

"....and our level of intimacy, whether emotional or sexual, was always much better than other couples (any I've known, honestly)...."

Yeah ditto....A and I had the best intimate connection. We were "best friends" could talk about anything. That closeness and stability in our r'ship let him think the  admission of same-sex attraction would be accepted, understood and would fit seamlessly into  the life HE wanted for us.
It took years for me to put myself first, instead of him. 38 years in fact.

Elle


KIA KAHA                       
 

October 12, 2024 3:46 pm  #7


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

sorry Ikey,

you sound exactly like you fit right in here - one of the classic symptoms of being in a MOM is thinking your relationship is a bit special.

so sorry.  what's happening to you now sounds like a honeymoon phase.  I think your opening post was so clear in setting out your situation and it's so heart breaking.  I told you the bit of my story I did because I wanted to underline the physical reality of heart pain - my blood pressure went up and stayed up, I had a good country doctor and he did not reach for the prescription pad, but was concerned for me and kept me coming in, so it is documented - I got my blood pressure down by distancing myself from my partner.

By putting myself first.  Phew, at last I was getting the love and support I needed and contrary to popular belief actually hadn't been getting from my partner.  It was like I gave myself a hug.

tbh, I don't really believe your wife has just decided she's gay without having any romantic feelings towards a woman -  what's therapy got to do with it?  if she's gay that's something she's lived with all her life.

 

 

October 12, 2024 5:28 pm  #8


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Lily - I feel you.

It was so insidious, how it all happened. Oh how I wish I had left when he first came out....and not stayed for those tortuous years. And when things did happen, it was within minutes - because he had spent years planning it out (while I was naively working on the marriage, supporting him etc), and I got blind sided.

I also had high blood pressure, my blood sugar went wonky, I couldn't stop throwing up, chest pain. You name it. Now that the divorce is finalized....it has pretty much all cleared. Lost 20 lbs. Don't need the anti-depressant anymore.

Ikey7 - I also thought my marriage was different, that he wasn't like the others on this page. I defended him, ironically, even after he left. I did not see the damage he did to me, until he decimated me as a person. The morning he blindsided me, he kissed me and told me how much he loved me.

The depth and length of the lies (and I know I still have no idea of the actual truth) was astounding. I hate to say this, but this isn't likely to be a long drawn out process. You need to speak to a lawyer and legally separate. You don't have to be unkind. You can work to ensure you are both taken care of and set up for success - but it's like pulling off a band aid. You just have to get it over with.

 

October 12, 2024 9:07 pm  #9


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Ikey,

A potential pitfall for you to be alert to:

I, too, was told "for now I don't intend to do anything, but I might, down the road."    Such a statement sounds like a reassurance, and I sure took it to be reassuring.  I wanted to believe that "For now I don't intend to do anyhting" was a steady state, and that if anything changed, my now-ex would be honest and forthcoming about it. 

What I discovered over time, and what I read on the Forum, has shown me that you can't trust a statement like that to be anything more than what they are thinking and feeling at the moment they say it--a phase.  Because they are continuig to process, moving down that road, and maybe not always telling you what's going on inside them, how they're changing the way they think, and, maybe, pushing the boundary, too (my now-ex certainly did).  I came to see that that statement, which initially felt like a reassurance, was anything but.  What it was was more insidious and destabilizing, because what it says is that you must always wonder where they are on that road.  I liken it to waiting for the other shoe to drop.  I found it impossible to live that way.  

Edited for clarity. 

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (October 13, 2024 10:07 am)

 

October 12, 2024 10:08 pm  #10


Re: The Beginning of the Journey...to what end result?

Ikey7,

"...what we have is sacred.."

"at some point I may want to pursue a relationship with a woman, but that is so far down the road."

Statements don't add up.   She doesn't sound like someone that  has integrity or has your back.

Will she tell when she is far down the road...next week...next year...so loving of her to let you know.   


Sorry to sound harsh..just in a mood today about how much ill treatment I tolerated..

Wishing you strength and self love.

Last edited by Rob (October 12, 2024 10:09 pm)


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