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Why do they shave or trim their bodies so much? My ex suddenly started shaving everything! From down there to his legs?
Last edited by Malex (September 19, 2024 6:57 pm)
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Malex wrote:
Why do they shave or trim their bodies so much? My ex suddenly started shaving everything! From down there to his legs?
Shaving isn't necessarily a gay thing. Some straight guys do it for the ladies but the reason why a guy would do it is because they think their partner(male or female) likes it or because they think it makes them more attractive to whomever they want for a partner.
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Hi Sean;
I applaud your ability to continue to answer questions and help others going through all of this. I find all of this can wear a person down at times!
I would appreciate your input on a few things that have come up over the last while in my life. Part of my work is related to ensuring appropriate medical care for minorities, and I also conduct research into inequities within healthcare. The last few years have been a bit tougher than most, based on everything that happened with my gay ex-husband but I have kept my mouth shut within work circles.
Several issues/debates have come up in various work related areas and I am not sure how I feel about them. So I would be curious to have your viewpoint:
1) There is a hot button argument going around that sexuality is a spectrum and there is no such thing as "straight" - that everyone has some amount of same sex attraction, and for some reason, especially men. I have listened to people argue that every man has some level of homosexuality and that it is impossible for a man to be straight.
Personally - I am a straight woman. I have never experienced any attraction to another woman in my nearly 40 years on this earth and, despite the horrible men I have met in my life, I somehow still continue to be attracted only to men.
I'm wondering if this is actually a thing? At first I brushed it off, but I am hearing this more and more (again, especially related to men). So, as a straight woman am I expected to never meet a straight man?
2) This one has led to massive arguments among my friends/acquaintances groups. There are some incredibly vocal individuals on this one.
The argument is that if you will not go out with a bisexual individual then you are homophobic. Again, this was brought up by several female individuals and they were talking about bisexual men in particular. That if a woman declines to date a bisexual man, they are homophobic.
I actually don't understand the logic of this one. LBGTQ groups argue they should be free to love whom they want, but straight people are not allowed to? I would like to know if I am missing something with this one?
Again, I have kept my mouth shut, but I did have to leave when one particular person was spouting off about how bisexual men should just lie to women, because they don't deserve to know anyway because then they will judge them or not sleep with them.
To me this is just the embodiment of self absorption and entitlement....like, anyone (man or woman) deserves to have the pertinent information to make their own informed choices...and lying about your sexual orientation just leads to this shit show that you see on this forum.
I would be interested in your thoughts on these two phenomenon that I have been seeing more and more. And I'd be curious to know if this is just in my area, or if others are running into these things.
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Thank you for writing Anon. In reply:
1. There is a hot button argument going around that sexuality is a spectrum and there is no such thing as "straight" - that everyone has some amount of same sex attraction, and for some reason, especially men. I have listened to people argue that every man has some level of homosexuality and that it is impossible for a man to be straight. Personally - I am a straight woman. I have never experienced any attraction to another woman in my nearly 40 years on this earth and, despite the horrible men I have met in my life, I somehow still continue to be attracted only to men. I'm wondering if this is actually a thing? At first I brushed it off, but I am hearing this more and more (again, especially related to men). So, as a straight woman am I expected to never meet a straight man?
This is the latest study I found regarding Americans who identify as LGBTQ: U.S. Americans who identify as LGBT by generation 2023 | Statista. According to these findings, if you want to meet a straight-identified man, you should stick to a partner born before 1966 because every generation born in 1966 or later appears to increasingly identify as part of the LGBTQ community. And a whopping 22.3% of Gen Z (born 1997-2004) identified as LGBTQ in 2023. So there is the data. Anecdotally, I now identify as 100% gay; meaning I have zero attraction, nor desire, to sleep with women. However, I once identified as heterosexual, was married to a woman, and had (infrequent) sex with my (then) wife. So perhaps some would accuse me of being bisexual? Oy vey it's complicated! Acceptance and awareness of the LGBTQ community has grown exponentially over the past 15 years since I came out. This might explain why younger generations identify as part of the queer community; as there is less stigma attached to the same. As for you finding a straight man, if the above study is credible, the vast majority of society still identifies as heterosexual. But I do agree dating is somewhat of a minefield for straight wives these days.
2. This one has led to massive arguments among my friends/acquaintances groups. There are some incredibly vocal individuals on this one. The argument is that if you will not go out with a bisexual individual then you are homophobic. Again, this was brought up by several female individuals and they were talking about bisexual men in particular. That if a woman declines to date a bisexual man, they are homophobic. I actually don't understand the logic of this one. LBGTQ groups argue they should be free to love whom they want, but straight people are not allowed to? I would like to know if I am missing something with this one?
I know a lot of gay men like me who would never date bisexual men: are we homophobic? Perhaps we should distinguish between a personal preference and an irrational fear. No I wouldn't consider a straight woman who wants to date another straight man as homophobic. I consider bigotry/homophobia as broadcasting my preference, stigmatizing, and working to ban something. So I'd have to disagree with what sounds like a very young and very woke army on that one my friend.
I hope I've answered your questions friend. If not, please feel free to post again. Be well!
Last edited by Sean01 (September 24, 2024 6:26 am)
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply.
"dating is somewhat of a minefield for straight wives these days" - I agree with you there.
I'm not surprised that a larger proportion of society is identifying as LGBTQ - personally I think there's just so much confusion around sexuality and a push to put labels on everything, try everything, etc. I swear our world now-a-days revolves around sex, sex, and more sex.
Becoming a crazy cat lady doesn't sound so bad anymore
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It is totally great that accepting differences has come a long way. I lost a very dear friend to HIV/AIDS in the late 1990s and to this day I think of that as something like a hate crime.
But. Even then he didn’t lie. He had the courage, once he knew who he was, to live his truth.
My problem isn’t the gay/straight/spectrum thing. It’s the lying. Just the same as if you are sleeping with another woman - or multiple other women - it is cheating. My ex husband excuses it all because cheating with men doesn’t count. People are people and cheating is cheating. Manipulating someone else’s reality is abuse.
I’m really angry, I admit. Hopefully I can get to the other side. But again - fine to be a challenge because people are complicated. Different than a minefield intentionally set by someone who is lying.
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No need to date anyone you don't want to date, woke culture can eff off.
Personally, I reflected on it a lot... if I end up separating from my husband would I date a bisexual?... the answer is I'm not sure, but I certainly wouldn't date anyone who says they are "100% straight" without any qualifiers. To me it would just indicate that they are not in-touch with their sexuality.
Hey Sean, why wouldn't you and "gay guys like you" date bisexuals? My husband is now openly bisexual and is connecting with guys, and it's a very real thing: gay guys (particularly older, but also many younger ones) feel uncomfortable with bisexuality just like many straight women do.
What's with that? Insecurity? Exclusivity? The thought that you can never be enough? Desider to be "the only one"? Kinda sounds silly given the highly sexualised gay culture. Also not very inclusive. Just wondering whether there are some reoccurring themes with straight wives there?
Interestingly, straight husbands seem far more ok with female bisexuality in general, as long as it doesn't turn into "100% gay" or sexual/emotional neglect.
Thoughts?
Last edited by Alex1984 (September 24, 2024 7:07 pm)
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I read Anon's post - understand and agree with her.
But yours? Nope - you say we have to be kidding ourselves, hiding a little bit of same sex attraction according to you. Not true.
There is such a thing as straight. Not so many as before with every passing generation but saying we don't exist is plain out wrong.
I can see how easy it is to make the leap from seeing so many complexities of human sexuality to saying there's no such thing as 100% straight - but I do assure you we exist.
From my perspective it's all binary - left or right you can't go both ways at the same time.
I see it as a series of switches. Groups of switches that go together, big switches with lots of little supporting switches. for some of us it all hangs together pretty well. Woman, wants babies, is attracted to men is pretty congruent - woman, wants babies, is attracted to women - less so, accommodations will need to be made and on it goes. Ever more complex.
The gaslighting is stupendous these days. The world I grew up in, no way would you have to argue you do exist just because you're straight.
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Gosh, Lili, of course you exist! I will delete my assertion about "there's no such thing is 100% straight" if you read it so personally. And I never said "hiding" - thw brain just removes it as unnecessary/irrelevant. It's not a conscious process. All my other statements/questions hold
Last edited by Alex1984 (September 24, 2024 7:09 pm)
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I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish by saying "there's no such thing as 100% straight" other than insulting someone who is 100% straight (and doesn't need to add qualifiers to the statement)?
If every other sexual orientation can exist on some sort of spectrum how can you argue that straight isn't an orientation? Is being 100% gay acceptable?
I will say, present day has gotten really bizarre about this whole thing and sticking labels on everything. And the pressure now to "explore your sexuality" - right down to trying to indoctrinate kindergartners. Why can't kids just be kids?
No, I have never been attracted to a woman (and no, I am not repressing some sort of deep, dark, secret) and I am only interested in a man who has never been attracted to a man. Should that not occur, so be it.
If people were actually happy and finding fulfillment from the dozens of genders and orientations, that would be one thing. But, I have seen a sharp rise in very confused, stressed, anxious and depressed individuals who have no idea what is going on anymore. While some progress has been made, I truly do not think a lot of what has happened is benefiting anyone anymore.
Just my two cents.
And Alex - Sean does not have to justify whom he would like to date to you and telling him it's silly that he has his own preferences is kind of insulting. I truly appreciate that he has been open and willing to answer my questions and has helped me unravel a lot of things that have happened. He has helped a lot of those who have gone through this.
Lily - I agree with you, the gaslighting is getting crazier by the day I swear