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Hi,
This is a lifeline. So much pain and hurt.
My husband came out to me around three years ago as "thinks he may be gay." I was the one who initially asked the question as I felt a little loss of connection with him and our marriage was not in a good place.
The last few years of confusion have been quite frankly hell and it has taken its toll on our marriage and my health. The trauma meant I was drinking a bit more in the evening and would lash out at him verbally with my pain. This is not an action that I condone and I have apologized profusely. No more drinking and trying to be supportive and get in control of my trauma.
He was raised Mormon and basically his ability to "switch off' anything that is hard to deal with is outstanding to me. He's obviously been in turmoil for the past few years. His therapist has been good but hasn't been able to I think get truly behind some of his religious issues. He is going to a new therapist that deals more with sexuality and identity issue with people who have a religious background.
He obviously wants to feel safe with me and I feel ready to be able to be a lot more safe than I have for the past few years - but I really really struggle as he is my hot dude husband that I've been married to for 26 years and with three lovely kids - sigh I go insane thinking he would enjoy having sex with a man more than me.
My dilemma is that he tells me that he is very attracted to me - physically, emotionally and sexually. When we are connected and he feels loved - he says he becomes confused about his sexuality again. BUT he has also said he has a hunch that he is indeed gay.
He will say things like you are so beautiful and I have the hots for you - and I believe him as it feels real and it feels like a time in our marriage when things were just lovely. Then, when I probe more on the gay issue he'll says things like I never wanted to hurt you and I was in this for the right reasons from the start. And then I go back to this as unequivocal and writing on the wall - down the rabbit hole spiral. I hate the thought that my weakness and neediness is making me swallow any tidbits of hope that are thrown at me as I know that this seesaw of his emotions is part of his process of acceptance. There is a bit of self loathing for myself at the moment as I would never be that woman that stayed in this type of situation but here I am ...
He swings from not wanting to hurt me to asking me to hang in there so he can truly work it out for sure with a therapist. I'm honestly emotionally and physically on the ropes.
He is a people pleaser too so it would be feasible that he would tell me what I want to hear and he'd want to get into a safe place with zero drama. He says he is absolutely terrified/petrified and that's why he cannot even say 100% he's gay as being so religious during his life it is THE most horrific thing to lean into. I get that for him and that causes me pain for him. His therapist told him that religious gay people have THE most hardest time coming out.
So here I am - feeling he cannot lean into his sexuality because of fear, including fear of losing me that feels very deep and real. To his saying sexually and emotionally he is attracted to me but I'm guessing that overall his sexual attraction may be for other men.
Help, I just needed to write this down and hope if anyone has had a similar experience that they can support me.
Thanks for listening. Hope we can all heal and thrive again soon. It's absolutely hell in the trenches.
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TracyMac wrote:
.....So here I am - feeling he cannot lean into his sexuality because of fear, including fear of losing me that feels very deep and real. To his saying sexually and emotionally he is attracted to me but I'm guessing that overall his sexual attraction may be for other men.....
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TracyMac welcome to our Forum.
Can you see what your husband is doing/has done? He's put the burden of figuring this out onto you. Sure he'll be going through all kinds of torment... Of being found out by people who think he's respected, faithful...heterosexual! And meanwhile thinking he has in you the perfect partner to lean on... There's no
leaning in to be done...he wants you to take on the emotional burden of his situation, thinking of course you will because you love him and he can stand behind you allowing you to do all the heavy lifting, emotionally, while he figures himself out.
One of the hardest things in the world to make yourself do is to stop loving the man you thought would love you forever. It may take a while but it can be done, and then you can start separating the person he was from the man he is now. Decide how you want your life to be. Don't allow the man you married, who wants to change the dynamics of it... decide it for you
Elle
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There are a number of women on this forum whose closeted or in denial husbands came from a Mormon background. Try a key word search using the search feature on the bar at the top of the page.
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sounds to me like you are being subjected to a bout of cupboard love.
I have read a lot of stories now and I am going to guess that the point at which you felt the disconnect and ask your H if he is gay that the trigger for that feeling of disconnect was that he was stepping out on you.
Much as I agree it's not good to lash out verbally please don't feel guilty - you have every right to feel angry and traumatised. And dial back on the self loathing - sounds like he's sowing confusion in you by the bucketload.
You trusted him and now you are hurting. Time to give yourself a hug. Not him.
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My husband came out as "bi" early 2020. For years, my life was hell. I also lashed out verbally. I had found out he had been keeping his attraction to men a secret for years prior to this. I became a person I hated. Mistrustful, anxious all the time, filled with hate and resentment. Quick to get angry or annoyed. I stress ate my emotions and gained 30 lbs. So, then I hated myself even more. And during this period he started to withdraw more and more physically. So, in my head I tortured myself with that whole he didn't find me attractive anymore, I gained a bunch of weight. I wasn't in shape anymore. On and on. I blamed myself.
He made all sorts of excuses, that it wasn't me. It was too much stress at work. He was tired. And then it became things like well sex is boring, so if only you were more adventurous. It was a deep and dark spiral down.
Then I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and it felt like a slap in the face wake up call. I started eating better. Exercising again. Caring about my appearance. And, at this point I also decided enough of the stupid excuses, I was over this sex-less crap. I also decided that a huge part of why our marriage wasn't doing well was the fact that I didn't trust him. And that, for it to continue I had to stop. So, I did. I dived back into being trusting of him. I finally put what had happened behind me and I was finally able to embrace him as who he was and accept the same sex attraction. It was 2.5 years from his "bi outing".
During this time, I would ask for his thoughts and how he was doing. And ask questions about our relationship, what he wanted. If he had any doubts. He always assured me I was "gorgeous" "beautiful" "the love of his life" "had the perfect curves". We were going to plan a romantic get away.
The he sat down beside me and said "I have decided I'm gay and I want a divorce". He then proceeds to tell me that he has 0 attraction to me and his feelings have changed to one of friendship. As I tried to pick myself up off the floor....
That was about 2 months ago. He has now rented an apartment and is slowly moving his stuff over. He still tells me regularly that he still loves me, but a platonic love. And that he will still help and support me and be there for me in life. Except he's leaving me and filing for divorce once we are legally separated for the required year. And he dumped me with all of what were supposedly "our" pets, the house that needs renos. On and on. He's basically just walking away from him life. And has told me excitedly about the tv he plans to buy....
I call this the mind fuck.
I don't know what this is. Or who this is. All I know is I'm attached on a piece of paper to this stranger and completely and utterly devastated. I truly believed he was the love of my life. That we were going to have a 60th anniversary and grow old together. I'm still reeling and my mind still can't compute what just happened.
The only advice I have is take a step back from the situation. Take the time to think and breathe. Get your own therapist. Talk to friends and family. Rant and ask questions on the forum. Know you are not alone. And decide what you want in this. Not him. Look at yourself and start there.
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TracyMac wrote:
Hi,
This is a lifeline. So much pain and hurt.
My husband came out to me around three years ago as "thinks he may be gay." I was the one who initially asked the question as I felt a little loss of connection with him and our marriage was not in a good place.
Hello! I find your situation nearly identical in many ways to my own. My wife of 19 years (23 years together)Told me on Aug 7th that she had developed feelings for a women at the workout center. I had known something was wrong since April and finally reached a breaking point when I could no longer take being ignored, avoided and pushed to the side. Only then did she admit this.
I first had to come to grips that she had held onto this for so long. We have 3 kids, a happy marriage, open communication (or so I thought). This was a surprise to me in every way. She said she was surprised as well as she has never had a thought about women in this context. The pain has been like nothing I have ever known. From extreme sadness, to anger, rage, numb, indifference and back again. While I am eating better and have always worked out, I now go at 5AM and am absolutely ripped. Its the only thing holding me together right now....
My initial position was to let her figure things out. The women she is in love with is married (to a man) and she says they have never verbalized their feelings, but she knows they are there. She has a therapist, I have one and we have a joint one. My initial position was to wait for her to make a decision.....the longer this has gone on, I have begun noticing a few lies, defensiveness. So, I let her know last night, while she thought she had time to figure things out, she is also on the clock, but I am making a decision for me as well. Regardless of her path, I have to decide can I stay with someone who for now, I do not trust? Who isnt sure of herself enough to tell the truth? I dont think she is lying to me, I think she is lying to herself, but I digress.
Take care of yourself. If there was ever a time to be self focused, this is it. You have to consider your self esteem, mental state, physical and other. My wife says she "wants to want our relationship", and knows she is closes off emotionally because "it feels wrong". Seems to me she has already decided. Doesnt matter, I am taking control of my life and not going to allow someone else to turn me into someone/something I am not.
I wish you the best. It is a long road and I've only been on it a few months, not even 1 officially once I knew for certain. PM me anytime. Chin up.
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Blackie563-
Good for you for taking charge of your situation. You are lucky she told you. It sounds like your wife isn’t as controlling as mine was. Get out with your dignity intact, your bank account full, and your muscles bulging.
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GID. Gay In Denial. It's a thing.
The idea that it happens due to social homophobia strikes me as entirely inaccurate. People grow up in families don't they?
But anyway, however it started - denial doesn't mean doesn't know it means not telling.
My ex, as it turned out, had quite an active gay life as a teenager - I bet anything he didn't ever say he was gay. even back then.
I think as the pressure goes on in mid-life, and these gay in denial people feel the need to go deeper into their sexuality, it's while their straight partner, who always wanted to do that, has got to such a stage they'd sell their kingdom for a nice hug.
It's like we keep trying to fix our marriages and coming up against an invisible wall. Eventually I ended up feeling confused and in a lot of pain.
It's a common experience. sorry. just is. like running up against an invisible glass wall - it's that stark. and really it's just about surviving, and then eventually there's every chance at thriving.
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The invisible glass wall is the perfect way to describe it. I literally thought I was crazy because my GIDX narcissist abuser wife deliberately made me feel like I was the crazy one. I’d get mad when she would gaslight me and she’d use my anger as proof that I was the crazy one.
It was a shitstorm mindfuck of a marriage.
I’d still sell my kingdom (my serfdom?) for a real hug.
I’m still incredibly grateful every time I find people here independently describing exactly what my marriage was like. It didn’t make sense to me until I found this forum.
Thank you, Lily, for a perfect description.
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I understand what you are saying. My gay ex boyfriend has been in the closet all of his life. He is now 78. I suspect that some people know but he will never, ever admit it.