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November 1, 2016 9:51 pm  #31


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

If you don't mind I just want to follow up my previous posts by saying that for a lot of straight people having a spouse or partner question their sexual orientation is a big deal... a HUGE deal in fact.

Sorry... but the notion that one could have an honest, casual chat with your straight spouse about your sexual orientation and it won't have a significant impact on your STRAIGHT relationship just seems very naive to me.

I think that for people who are quite accustomed to sliding up and down the Kinsey Scale having a 'fluid' sexual orientation is no big deal. They see it as no big deal in themselves and they see it as no big deal in their partners. All I can tell you is that rightly or wrongly - for a STRAIGHT person - it IS a big deal.

OF COURSE a straight spouse is gonna say "I wish you'd told me earlier". Hell... In my case I wish she'd told me 20 years earlier. 

I'll say it again just to be crystal clear. I'm not advocating that anyone stay in a closet or be dishonest. I'm just making the point that one doesn't just casually tell a straight spouse that you think you might not be straight. I'm saying think A LOT before you make such an admission. Make sure what you are saying is true because there's no taking it back. The gay genie is not easy to put back in the bottle.


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November 1, 2016 10:10 pm  #32


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Hi, Steve.

Steve wrote:

If you don't mind I just want to follow up my previous posts by saying that for a lot of straight people having a spouse or partner question their sexual orientation is a big deal... a HUGE deal in fact.

I'm saying think A LOT before you make such an admission. Make sure what you are saying is true because there's no taking it back. The gay genie is not easy to put back in the bottle.

I re-read Justme's posts, in light of what you wrote.  It seems like she's already said something to her husband.  Here's what she wrote:

Justme wrote:

By the way, I have told him some of this, but I had trouble finding the right words, and I ended up sounding like a "normal" straight bicurious woman. I don't want to make him worried if it is not necessary, but I am afraid there is more to it.

I don't know if she'll come back.  Anyway, in light of what she wrote about having already told him some of this, do you think he's worried right now?  Do you think the genie is out of the bottle already?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

November 1, 2016 10:28 pm  #33


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Steve wrote:

If you don't mind I just want to follow up my previous posts by saying that for a lot of straight people having a spouse or partner question their sexual orientation is a big deal... a HUGE deal in fact.

Yes.  I'm in a life partnership with another gay man.  We've been together for years.  I'm imagining if he said to me one day, "Jeff, I have to tell you that I've always found women's bodies more of a turn on than men's bodies.  I'm questioning whether or not I might be straight."

If he said that, my world would shatter.  It would be like being punched in the stomach.  I'd probably have insomnia for months.  It would be awful.

Steve wrote:

I think that for people who are quite accustomed to sliding up and down the Kinsey Scale having a 'fluid' sexual orientation is no big deal. They see it as no big deal in themselves and they see it as no big deal in their partners. All I can tell you is that rightly or wrongly - for a STRAIGHT person - it IS a big deal.

Speaking only for myself as a gay man, if my partner started questioning his sexuality, it would be huge and extremely traumatic.  It would mean that I could lose him.  And I'd also start to wonder if he had ever been truly into me at all.

You guys have been through hell on earth.

After having imagined that painful scenario, I now completely agree with you that Justme needs to be totally sure before talking with her husband.  The problem is, she's already said something to him.  I wonder how she can make this better for him going forward.

 

Last edited by Jeff W (November 1, 2016 10:36 pm)

 

November 1, 2016 10:41 pm  #34


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Whether he's worried or not about what he already knows depends totally on how Justme said it and what his personal views are on sexual fluidity. Some straight people would worry. He may not. I can't really answer that.

If she just said "I sometimes find women attractive" I'd say "Doesn't everyone?"  'Attractive' is an aesthetic judgement and need not reflect on ones sexual orientation. My recollection of Justme's post is that her attraction to women has surprised her too and she enjoys sex with her husband. That doesn't sound gay to me but of course that's for her to decide.

Last edited by Steve (November 1, 2016 10:45 pm)


You have a future. A good one. It begins as a flicker of hope. Nurture it until it becomes a dream and when you are strong enough you will make it a reality. NEVER give up. 
 

November 1, 2016 11:11 pm  #35


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Justme is questioning her sexuality.  Either her husband is deep in the closet and gas-lighting her into thinking she's a lesbian (I know a couple like that) or she's for real.  I believe her.  I believe she is gay with a straight spouse.  and it's bubbled to the surface with the birth of their child.

There's no good time to tell her husband that.  Never going to be one.  Just worse or even worser times.  Ask any of the straight husbands here - any of them saying I wish she'd waited another few years?  No we all say we wish they'd told us sooner.

I agree about honesty in a marriage.  if she tells him and then realises it was all a bad dream and she really is straight then I don't see the problem.  if she's straight she's straight and she'll be able to reassure her partner and put their marriage on an even keel.  If she's not then how long does she keep trying to make him happy, particularly when so many of us are saying the pain is only going to build the longer it goes.  

To my mind it doesn't make sense on any level not to talk with him.  what is there to fear?  if he reacts in horror at the words might be gay and runs a mile without giving his wife a fair hearing, well then she might as well find that out now too.  not likely tho is it.

I wish them the best, I liked Justme.

 

November 1, 2016 11:23 pm  #36


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Lily... Would you have been ok for your husband to tell you he thinks he might be gay and then say "Oops! My bad. No I'm not."?

That wouldn't worry you or have you second guessing him from that time on?

I can only speak for myself... it would worry the hell out of me. I'm glad my ex-wife knew what she was and knew she wanted out before she told me. I wouldn't have survived the limbo of 'is she or isn't she' that some straight spouses are put through.

For me it's not a question of honesty. It's a question of timing and saying things when you are sure as opposed to unsure. 

ps. No one is suggesting Justme has 'left the building'. My guess is she's just busy. No one can say she isn't getting both sides of the argument

Last edited by Steve (November 1, 2016 11:25 pm)


You have a future. A good one. It begins as a flicker of hope. Nurture it until it becomes a dream and when you are strong enough you will make it a reality. NEVER give up. 
 

November 2, 2016 2:15 am  #37


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Hi everyone. I am still here, still reading and figuring out how to respond. Thank you very much.

 

November 2, 2016 6:59 am  #38


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Hi Steve - would I have been okay if my ex had said maybe he is gay and then say oops my bad.  No I'm not.?

well he did do that but he was lying.  and he didn't say oops my bad he said I've decided I'm a 100% straight and added if I continue to believe he is gay then I am not of sound mind (and he will act on that as soon as he can).  I was scared on the spot.  I went from a reluctant divorcer to couldn't get divorced fast enough.  He was telling me my future if I stayed.

But if it had been genuine.  If he had said he thought he might be gay and then realised it was a mistake and he wasn't no of course I wouldn't have a problem.  I must admit I can't imagine it happening, so I'd have questions, why did he think he might be gay.  I mean have you ever really wondered if you were gay, Steve?  I know I haven't, my opposite sex attraction doesn't waver.  The two straight women I know who did hold concerns they might be lesbian had been convinced to believe that's the reason their gay men weren't more aroused by them.  It wasn't because they were experiencing an attraction towards women. 

And it's also hard for me to imagine it happening because it would have to mean that we were having an honest and intimate conversation and my ex didn't do that.  He loves his closet, still does, it's a way of life for him.  



 

Last edited by lily (November 2, 2016 7:14 am)

 

November 2, 2016 7:57 am  #39


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Thanks everyone. I have been processing your replies and my thoughts and feelings in general. I hope you don't feel like I am intruding on your board by creating a post like this. I know this is a board for straight spouses and not for "coming out"-support.

The people who are suggesting waiting to talk to him until I am more certain have a point, I think. We have been going trough some things - relationship problems, post partum depression - and all the doubt about sexual orientation has gotten worse during that time. The doesn't mean it's not valid, but it is just hard to separate from all the other stuff right now.

"Again it appears that you and your husband enjoy a great sex life so perhaps you fall somewhere else on the sexual spectrum. I am 100% gay with zero attraction to women, the opposite of me would be 100% heterosexual, with bisexual people falling somewhere in the middle I reckon."

I actually feel pretty certain that I am not 100 % straight and not 100 % gay either. I just don't know what that means for our marriage, but I know I do not want it to end. Hearing stories about people who convinced themselves that they were just "somewhat bi" and then turned out to be 100 % gay like you scares me, because I don't want to put my family trough that. I wish there was a way to know for sure, but I don't think there is.

Steve, thank you for sharing. It sounds like maybe you think that your wife was wrong about being 100 % gay and attributed some psychological problems to her sexual orientation when it was really about something else? Or am I mistaken?

"If you find your attraction is not fleeting. If you find yourself falling in love with women or out of love with your husband then yeah... you definitely need to be honest with him. Until then I suggest you slow down, breathe, and don't rush into a decision you might later regret"

That's what I have been thinking, too. If I did not want to have sex with my husband, or if I was in love with someone else, I know I would need to end the marriage for everyone's sake. It is not the case, and I actually think I WANT things to stay the way they are, but I am afraid I am wasting his time. These things are hard to explain to someone like my husband who has always felt completely straight. It is hard to explain that you can have doubts about your sexuality when most people take it for granted. I think if I was really 100 gay it would not be so difficult to make sense of this. I have never really believed in bisexuality, but maybe I should start.

He is worried, and I did discuss it with him too early without really being sure what I was trying to tell him. He suggested therapy to figure everything out, and I agreed. My therapist is actually a gay woman living with her life partner. She seems to be convinced I am un-gay enough to work on the marriage. I want that, and I want to restore trust, but first I want to be sure, and it can be a long process. I don't know if it is better to share doubts with your spouse during this process. Probably not

 

November 2, 2016 11:43 am  #40


Re: How do I talk to my straight husband?

Justme wrote:

Steve, thank you for sharing. It sounds like maybe you think that your wife was wrong about being 100 % gay and attributed some psychological problems to her sexual orientation when it was really about something else? Or am I mistaken

To this day I believe my ex-wife is bisexual and neither straight (as I thought during 16 years of marriage) gay (as she claimed when she divorced me) nor asexual as she claims now. I know that sounds very arrogant on my part... claiming to know HER orientation better than she does... but it's just how I feel.

I personally think she was a 40yo stay at home mum (we had two boys aged 9 & 10) with mother issues and a history of childhood sexual abuse who was BORED with her life and probably having a mid-life crisis. Sound like a recipe for bad decision making? Yup!

She fell in with some internet lesbians who seem to have been able to appeal to her bi side (which unbeknown to me had always existed) and convince her that 'the gay life' would be sooo much better.

To me 'the mother issues' part was crucial. She had NEVER got on with her mother and I think she craved female affection. I can't help thinking some of the women she hooked up with initially were proxy mothers.

So... long story short... there was a LOT going on and a lot of people talking at her putting ideas in her head. When she claimed to be gay and asked for a divorce I BEGGED her to get therapy to try to sort out her feelings. She never did. I KNEW she wasn't gay. Our sex life wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. When we did have sex she had orgasms ... multiple orgasms in fact. She used to crush on male celebrities and used to have naked firemen calendars on the wall. There's just NO WAY she was gay and yet I was being told that was the reason my family was about to be torn apart.

You know... if she'd just said "I'm bored" or "I'm unhappy" we could have worked on that. Instead she went down the "I'm gay" route PERHAPS so that I couldn't fix it... because you can't fix gay right??

Anyway... She went through with it and is now alone. After several violent and manipulative and dishonest lesbian flings she now claims to be asexual, not attracted to either gender and not interested in being in a relationship with anyone. It's very sad.  I was the love of her life, we had a beautiful family and she threw it all away chasing some short term thrill with a woman on the internet.

Sorry for the long story. This has unfolded over 13 years.

So yeah... my advice is reflection. Try to find a good therapist to get to the bottom of the feelings you are having right now. If it turns out you're gay then so be it... you're gay. You can then divorce (if that's what you choose) being certain of the reason why.

In the NOW time frame it might (just might) be best not to sow too many more doubts into your husbands mind about your sexual orientation UNTIL YOU ARE MORE CERTAIN because you could be damaging his confidence in the marriage and making him feel undervalued, unappreciated or unattractive. All of which SUCKS.

I'm glad you're here. It shows what a good person you are that you are seeking advice about how to make this as easy as possible on your straight spouse. I wish more of our spouses cared about our feelings as much as you care about your husbands.

Last edited by Steve (November 2, 2016 12:26 pm)


You have a future. A good one. It begins as a flicker of hope. Nurture it until it becomes a dream and when you are strong enough you will make it a reality. NEVER give up. 
 

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