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January 24, 2022 9:32 pm  #21


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

LMM.....I think you no longer belong on this MOM board

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January 25, 2022 9:17 am  #22


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

I think what Ellexoh is suggesting is that you might find a new thread in the main Support category to be more applicable to your situation than 'Strategies for MOM's'. Of course the choice is up to you.

(Sorry to jump in there, Ellexoh. I felt it was important to clarify what I think the intent of your post was from any potential misunderstanding. I had to read it twice myself. On the first read, I was like "What?")

Hope everyone has a good day.
 


“The future is unwritten.”
― Joe Strummer
 

January 25, 2022 1:01 pm  #23


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

Daryl wrote:

I think what Ellexoh is suggesting is that you might find a new thread in the main Support category to be more applicable to your situation than 'Strategies for MOM's'. ....

Thanks Daryl... Indeed that's what I meant. I myself, after reading it, thought "wtf! Should I change/explain that!" I didn't because i trusted that surely you'd all know how far I have come myself and that I would never be that harsh to somebody trying to figure out why a man would be this unfeeling to somebody he was supposed to love.

This is how I meant this board to work. For a Straightspouse to work this out with the help of other Straightspouses. Not with any input from the LGBTQ partner, the very person who was instrumental in pulling our lives apart. The MOM board was misnamed and gave some of the power of healing that the Straightspouse so desperately needs....to people who in my opinion.... don't deserve it

Elle


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January 26, 2022 1:48 am  #24


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

MJM017 wrote:

Am not sure what you mean, Elle. The rules for this sub-forum clearly state what it's for. ....

When I first joined I was still researching, reading articles... Undecided and leaning towards not leaving. I was getting a lot of negative remarks whenever I posted on the main boards and was told I should stay on the MOM board which I did for the most part. It was being on this board and having MOM couples spreading their particular brand of "of course we can make it work" that actually helped to turn me off the idea of a MOM

YIP,  I kick myself for suggesting it and hope it's not the presence of this board that seems to have welcomed some of the LGBTQ into the site because THAT was never my intention

Apologies.
 


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January 26, 2022 7:42 am  #25


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

I made the mistake of posting on the wrong thread in July of 2020. I was glad that I found this group but did not know where to post. I got a lot of replies that I never read. I assume that this group is like group theraphy and some of us don't want our personal business out there. I am very very careful now. I have never been in group therapy and don't think that I would ever do something like that. I am glad that the group has helped some people. Please know that I am holding a good thought for all of you.

 

January 27, 2022 9:07 am  #26


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

LMM,

I can say I did not read your plight/story because it was in this sub-board.    I don't frequent this sub board because I really have no knowledge of how to make a MOM work..  I commend those that try but I could not physically and emotionally do it..

I also read your reply to Sean where your gay/bi/loser husband says he does not like you physically.     

My GX's physical rejection of me started with her lesbian affair but I must say if I look back on my decades of  marriage it was 98% of time me who initiated any physical contact.   Im not talking just sex but even hugs, kisses, basic couple contact..  Its not like she didnt hug me or anything..  but as I look back now with 20/20 hindsight I can say;
a.) I was blind to it because I loved her so much.  
b.) Its was not normal for a heterosexual woman.
c.) I can see clearly though the narcissism..

I think like you my inexperience and youth  coupled with a.)   blinded me to b.) and c.,).     But its not all my fault because my GX with her closet and narcissistic skill was perfectly capable of stringing me on for years and hiding the gay..    Some say our upbringing and low self worth makes us blind to it...   but even my friends that knew her when we were dating did not see the gay.     

So I absolve myself of blame and naivety  in TGT.   And you should do the same.    We gave true, fierce love.. absolute and unselfish.   We loved them when they were sick, mean, any weight etc..    They gave ???

My GXs sudden and unexpected total physical rejection (ie, pull away, turn from a kiss) was gut wrenching, paralyzing and cannot be forgotten.   (at the same time perplexing..I love you...im not having an affair but dont come near me).

I don't think God intended us , in marriage, to endure such abuse.  To be hurt over and over.    We vowed before him and can endure quite a bit  (we are fierce,stoic and strong) but there is a human limit..   as your're finding now.
Even Christ had to rest.  Even Christ rebuked what was morally wrong.

Wishing you strength and faith in your valley..

 

Last edited by Rob (January 27, 2022 9:08 am)


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

January 27, 2022 9:37 am  #27


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

Rob wrote:

LMM,

My GX's physical rejection of me started with her lesbian affair but I must say if I look back on my decades of  marriage it was 98% of time me who initiated any physical contact.   Im not talking just sex but even hugs, kisses, basic couple contact..  Its not like she didnt hug me or anything..  but as I look back now with 20/20 hindsight I can say;
a.) I was blind to it because I loved her so much.  
b.) Its was not normal for a heterosexual woman.
c.) I can see clearly though the narcissism..

I think like you my inexperience and youth  coupled with a.)   blinded me to b.) and c.,).     But its not all my fault because my GX with her closet and narcissistic skill was perfectly capable of stringing me on for years and hiding the gay..    Some say our upbringing and low self worth makes us blind to it...   but even my friends that knew her when we were dating did not see the gay.     

So I absolve myself of blame and naivety  in TGT.   And you should do the same.    We gave true, fierce love.. absolute and unselfish.   We loved them when they were sick, mean, any weight etc..    They gave ???
 

Rob,
I really appreciate this. I can relate! When we were engaged (we didn’t date, just had a prophetic command to marry) he would hold my hand, kiss me, showed the world how he loved me. The day we got married it stopped. Not only did he sob in the hotel that night and then take days to be able to have sex (with anger and anxiety). The other affection dried up. He snapped that there was something wrong with me because if I touched his arm, held his hand, put my hand on his shoulder - basically any human contact at all - he felt a burning, buzzing pain there.

I’m a really compassionate person who is super accommodating to people’s needs. If I know someone has a grief day every year when he baby died, I call her or text. If my friend has a disability I do everything to help her and include her. I think my husband loved this trait. I was very concerned about not giving him that burning pain. I treated it like a medical mystery. I wanted to get therapy or work on our love languages, but that just made him angry. “You’re critical of my problem! You’re so overbearing, reminding me of this awful problem and pushing me when there’s nothing I can do! If there was anything to fix it, I would do it! You’re so mean to make it seem like there’s something I should do, when I’m the one who can’t enjoy my wife touching me!”

See how he made himself the victim of me? And blamed and accused me? And I bought it. I hated how mean and selfish I was. I was starved for not only affection, but touch in general. Part of the abuse was him requiring that I leave friendships. In our first month of marriage he moved us away from our community (where I was well loved and had great support) to a new city where he got anxious if I left the apartment. He was always home watching movies and I had to stay. It’s like he took me, set me down in a cave where he could gaslight and manipulate me, and I had no touch, nothing that fed my soul except my connection to God.

Now I’ve had three months of lots of affection and sex. But it all turns out to be a ploy to keep me.

You’re totally right that we loved them when they were mean and unloving. We kept going. We can be good people! We’ve built character and integrity that many people never get to build. We’ve done it while starved and bruised.

     Thread Starter
 

January 31, 2022 10:02 pm  #28


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

Hello LMM

I just wanted to reply here and let you know I sent you a message. This is a very difficult road for him too. He is grappling with things he has very likely felt a LOT of shame and fear over for much of his life. Please have empathy for him in this as well. And know that the things he might be saying are not at all intended to hurt you. He is simply having to learn how to express the things he has been keeping inside for a long time. Things he might have NEVER thought he would be allowing himself to feel let alone share with others. A happy, successful, thriving monogamous mixed orientation relationship is absolutely possible. Sometimes it is just getting through these beginning confusing stages that is the most difficult. Sending you positive vibes. Please reach out any time. I am very open to you messaging me or we can email or talk any other way you like. You are not alone. Many of us have been in the confusing part you are in now and gotten through it successfully. Wishing you all the best.


Straight wife to wonderful Bi husband 
20+ years together, out to me for 17+ 
Monogamous
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March 25, 2022 4:41 pm  #29


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

Rob wrote:

LMM,    

My GX's physical rejection of me started with her lesbian affair but I must say if I look back on my decades of  marriage it was 98% of time me who initiated any physical contact.   Im not talking just sex but even hugs, kisses, basic couple contact..  Its not like she didnt hug me or anything..  but as I look back now with 20/20 hindsight I can say;
a.) I was blind to it because I loved her so much.  
b.) Its was not normal for a heterosexual woman.
c.) I can see clearly though the narcissism.

 

Oh Rob 😢

This made me cry and is EXACTLY my situation.

Hope you are doing ok

But the narcissist - I've seen that come up a bit on several posts.

Can you/anyone elaborate on how it is being used? Don't really understand? Selfish?!

 

March 25, 2022 6:53 pm  #30


Re: Futility or Productive Work?

Chapster, you sound like a nice man.  Chances are your wife is not the only narcissist in your life - nice honest people attract charmingly selfish ones - we just do, for obvious reasons - easy to manipulate, caring and giving - what's not to like.

I have just been through it again with the man I hired to do some landscaping - I thought he was so nice, I thought he would help me with my garden, in fact the job is never done, really all he has on offer is an endless bill for his time doing what he wants to do not what I need or ask him to do and I have spent hour upon hour of backbreaking work fixing what I have just paid him to do.

I mean I am in my 60's, I manage to avoid a lot of it nowadays, it's like I am old enough to see them coming, but there always seems to be one that gets through - I really believed I'd found someone who I could collaborate with and I let him string me along further than I should have.  But I have wised up now and no real harm done as he was not a friend of any sort - I'm just a bit angry, not heartbroken.  and on the plus side a friend has stepped up and is helping me get it done just out of fun and friendship, that feels really nice.

 

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