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January 25, 2021 10:42 pm  #31


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Beijoux...how are you?

Elle


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January 26, 2021 2:44 am  #32


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Hi Ellexoh,
Thank you for asking. Today, not so well. I have regular contact with my siblings regarding our late dad, and we zoomed on Sunday evening, that was soo amazing. the 4 of us get along quite well, most of the time. But today, I feel a bit down. My husband and I often talk about our 'past' relationship, and it is liberating that I can hear the truth and for him to speak the truth from his heart. However, at a time when I thought we might try again, last year Oct, we went away to Tauranga for a weekend, and he had time to lay his heart on the table, but he didn't quite do so. I thought we're good, we can try again, but actually at that time he's already had a new online lover....one that he's had for probably a year or so. He said that he wanted to tell me, but he didn't know how to, and we gave our marriage another 4 months until the 31st of Dec, when I told him that I think we should call it quits.  He revealed his online relationship with his friend to me in detail, over this past weekend... It's as if he is coming out of the closet for the 2nd time, this time I understand what it's all about and I am informed. And this time, it hurts, as I know I have lost my husband for good. We have just gone for a long walk and he had to listen to me, unpacking my hurt and frustrations. For hte first time I feel incompetent, with a low-self-esteem, worthless. I have given my life for us as a family and for him, and I stopped being involved in hobbies, - I love singing and writing songs, and playing the piano...I need to start getting busy, involved in community events, perhaps go back to church, I want to get someone to help me with my clothing collection (and throw out what doesn't work). Perhaps I need to join a fitness class, as I simply can't do this on my own. As a teacher I work extremely hard during the week and drive far to work too. But getting out will help to make new/more friends and just start doing something for myself for a change! Haven't done this in years!!! I have to think with my head and not my heart. Getting angry will bring me nowhere. Talking and crying and reading my book gives me insight, and I intend to move on, move forward instead of sitting down and feeling sorry for myself. It's just today, but talking to amazing people like you certainly helps. Thanks so much!


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January 26, 2021 1:43 pm  #33


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Beijoux wrote:

Hi Ellexoh,
Thank you for asking. Today, not so well. I have regular contact with my siblings regarding our late dad, and we zoomed on Sunday evening, that was soo amazing. the 4 of us get along quite well, most of the time. But today, I feel a bit down. My husband and I often talk about our 'past' relationship, and it is liberating that I can hear the truth and for him to speak the truth from his heart. However, at a time when I thought we might try again, last year Oct, we went away to Tauranga for a weekend, and he had time to lay his heart on the table, but he didn't quite do so. I thought we're good, we can try again, but actually at that time he's already had a new online lover....one that he's had for probably a year or so. He said that he wanted to tell me, but he didn't know how to, and we gave our marriage another 4 months until the 31st of Dec, when I told him that I think we should call it quits.  He revealed his online relationship with his friend to me in detail, over this past weekend... It's as if he is coming out of the closet for the 2nd time, this time I understand what it's all about and I am informed. And this time, it hurts, as I know I have lost my husband for good. We have just gone for a long walk and he had to listen to me, unpacking my hurt and frustrations. For hte first time I feel incompetent, with a low-self-esteem, worthless. I have given my life for us as a family and for him, and I stopped being involved in hobbies, - I love singing and writing songs, and playing the piano...I need to start getting busy, involved in community events, perhaps go back to church, I want to get someone to help me with my clothing collection (and throw out what doesn't work). Perhaps I need to join a fitness class, as I simply can't do this on my own. As a teacher I work extremely hard during the week and drive far to work too. But getting out will help to make new/more friends and just start doing something for myself for a change! Haven't done this in years!!! I have to think with my head and not my heart. Getting angry will bring me nowhere. Talking and crying and reading my book gives me insight, and I intend to move on, move forward instead of sitting down and feeling sorry for myself. It's just today, but talking to amazing people like you certainly helps. Thanks so much!

I’m glad you got to zoom with your siblings. We did that with mine at Christmas.

So sorry you’re having to go through this again, however it seems as you wrote, you went from the past to moving into the future, which is good! 

Your plans to get busy with things you loved to do in the past is the best idea to get yourself feeling better about life again. From what I’ve seen, those who have been through this much, and finally separate, feel very liberated and free of all the mess they’ve been going through. I realize there is a time of adjustment to your new life, but it looks like you’re going to be just fine 😊.

take good care of yourself!

(((((HUGS))))

 

January 26, 2021 5:59 pm  #34


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Thank you SusanneH. A good suggestion from my husband, which I think is true, is that I shouldn't rush things. I need to give myself enough time for all of this to sink in and to think what it is that I want. I told him that I have always thought of others in my family, not once about myself. And not once did I even look at someone else. I adored my husband even though I had some frustrations at times. I cannot believe my marriage is over. But ALL THE many, many discussions that we've had during the year (2020) helps me to realise that I have to move on. 


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January 26, 2021 10:22 pm  #35


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Beijoux wrote:

........we went away to Tauranga for a weekend, ......

 

Some time ago there was a member who had NZ at the end of her posting name. I got all excited (I thought I was 
the only Kiwi here) and in my excitement I think I may have scared her away because I don't see her anymore. 
Kia ora Beijoux   

Elle
 


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January 28, 2021 11:07 pm  #36


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Two days ago, my 'wheels' came off completely... I was shattered, down and out, as all the facts that I now get in bit and pieces over the past few days/weeks, add up and make it clear to me that, yip, time to move on. And I had to sort out my classroom the following day and have a team meeting too... I was not up to that at all. And stupidly I thought I could go on a dating website and with nobody interested (yet), I honestly thought my life here is done. I had anxiety after signing up, what was I thinking? I am not ready yet for another relationship, I am just lonely and need to find myself again. Some of my colleagues and I went for a beach picnic today, OH it was wonderful... we also decided to enter our own 'Biggest Loser' compitition and will all weigh in on Tuesday on our teacher-only- day...I thoroughly appreciate this support and feeling of belonging, even though just one of them know what I am going through with hubby at the moment. They all know about my dad, and I am dealing with that, in a different way. Our siblings who live out of S Africa, will have an online memorial service mid Feb, which will be wonderful, but so necessary. I love music and singing so I am going to see where I can get involved in that activity this year. I have put that away for TOO long...I love playing the piano. Anyway, I cancelled the online dating, 3 days later...that wasn't a good move at all. Reading the book "My husband is gay" is helping me A LOT. So many things she describes of what gay hubbies go through before they actually come out, I have seen, but didn't realized, until afterwards. Spot on. As I read through the book, I summarize my own thoughts, especially after my husband and I talked about those things which take time to sink in, hurts me, makes me mad, -yeah it will take time, a lot of time....to get through this and to be a whole new person again. See, I come from a home where parents didn't get along, argued in front of us, for years, and never got along after their divorce. It broke my heart, our family has never been the same, but our siblings stick together. I don't want to do that to our two amazing boys, I still want them to know we are there for them, we can still get together and be crazy, and we STILL love them. I just need to use my head, when making decisions, - over a period of time, -  but give my heart time to heal. The hurt is huge, it's deep, life sometimes doesn't make sense at all..hey?


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July 23, 2021 5:48 am  #37


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Hi all,
I decided to hop back onto the forum tonight (it's now 10pm here in NZ). Mainly to update you on where I am at the moment, and for those who just logged on as new members....
I just read through my own post of January 2021, and everyone's replies... Oh, the heartache we all go through... it is so painful...
As we have been literally separated and lived in the same house hold, for over 2 years, our divorce came through in the last week of March 2021. And early January I opened my own bank account too. Our house went on the market and it sold VERY quickly, and I was able to move on into a small 2-bedroom flat. The loneliness hit hard, but the physical separation was good. My dog stays with my ex and my son (and partner) as I can't have dogs here. So I go over there once a week for the next 5 months to spend time and walk with my doggy. I will move into my own little place by the end of this year...if all goes well. He said I was welcome there and that I can sleep over during weekends. I did it twice, and then thought, NO, this is not a good idea. I am constantly reminded of what we've had, who he is now, and it was very painful. What was I thinking???!!! Eventually I only popped in on Saturday afternoons to go for a walk and drink a cup of tea. This was sooooo much better. Then 3 weeks ago, I sprained my ankle as I fell off the stairs late one evening and I called him for help. I ended up staying with him for 5 days, - I rested well, but once back in my flat, I really struggled to get back to where I was mentally and emotionally. I felt I have been emotionally and mentally pushed back a few weeks.
We also planned a trip to Dunedin to visit my youngest son just for 3 days. It was wonderful spending time with my son and seeing beautiful places, however, coming back, makes me feel depressed and set back again... And: my ex thought we could still share a bed. I firmly said NO, and was upset that he didn't talk to me about the booking detail in advance... What was he THINKING???? We didn't speak much on the plane to there and back, and this is final; I can't see him for longer than a few hours, we can't ever go somewhere together again. And we shouldn't. There is no reason. This won't help me to move on. I have also moved on to another therapist. She is absolutely amazing. I just couldn't connect with the other one. I have moved my piano out to where I can see it, and play it at least once a week, - didn't have the desire to play for the last 2 years.... I also invite my friends over to my place, to create new and positive memories. I started reading books again, (Francine Rivers's novels to be specific!), and love it all over again. This was the first school holiday in about 27 odd years, I was on my own for most days, (I am a teacher) and although it felt overwhelming in the beginning, I made it... I survived it... Every little good thing counts for me, slow steps ahead...there has to be hope. WE DID EVERYTHING TOGETHER, so for me to buy groceries on my own, was another step. I started to do a lot of other things on my own too in the last 3 months. But this is still very early days... However..I am hopeful. It helps to be on this forum, last night after coming back from Dunedin, I felt as if I am anxiously swimming 'in the deep sea' not feeling any solid ground and all I could think was, to get back on to this forum as a 'cry' for help, to people who would understand. For the first month, after I wanted 'out', I gained a lot of insight into his thoughts, things he did, some of it, behind my back, and it helped me to understand where he was 'coming from'. Often though I want to freak out, thinking about the fact that I couldn't see this coming... and the trust that I had in him was sooo shattered... So I have to often remind myself, he is not the person I thought him to be. This helps, the truth will set in, eventually, as I keep reminding myself. But, instead of focusing on him all the time, it's best that we focus on ourselves and getting healed... That's why the physical distancing is so important to me. Does this make sense? Thank you for honest feedback...
Beijoux


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July 23, 2021 7:31 am  #38


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

I am now three and a half years out from moving out, and not yet three years out from divorce.  What you say about what you feeling, what you realizing about your now-ex, and your regret at some of the choices you made to see your ex--in short, the stage you're in--feels familiar to me.

Living on one's own after so many years of marriage (I was married 35 years when I left) is a learning experience.  Not every choice or experiment in figuring out what's right for us will turn out well.  Those instances in which you regret actions you took to see, travel with, or contact your now-ex when you needed help are both part of that learning experience and a reflection that it is still early days for you in building a new support network.  The self-doubt you feel about not having seen it coming is also a normal and a part of the process, but eventually as you grow and develop on your own that practice of castigating or blaming yourself will fade.  In my case self-blame and self-castigation was (and occasionally still is) a product of my fear and self-doubt about my ability to build a satisfying life on my own; I felt that if I couldn't discern the truth about my husband for all those years, what made me think I had what it takes to live on my own. The blows we take are so many, and one of them, for me, was that as the result of realizing that my now-ex had lived a secret life my confidence in my ability to read or judge a situation, or draw a conclusion, took a big hit.  It's important, I think, to remember that we were deceived by somoene who spent a lifetime perfecting that deception, and that we were not the only ones deceived and fooled, whose trust was violated and betrayed; in other words, the failure wasn't ours, it was our spouses' failure to live honestly.  As you say, it is important to remind ourselves that they weren't the people we thought they were; and trying to understand them is ultimately futile (for one thing we're working from a false sense of who they were); what's important is to focus on helping ourselves and our healing, and on our new life.  That seeing your ex interferes with and sets you back on that process makes perfect sense to me.  (I myself can't be around--and don't want to--my ex at all!)

 I see a lot in your post that is positive and that you should celebrate--yes, celebrate!--because it represents your strength and indicates you are capable of acting on your own behalf to heal from what is so very painful: you have realized that in order to heal you must (and more importantly you are able to) set a firm boundary in relation to being in the company of your former spouse; you have recognized that the therapist you had was not a good fit, terminated that therapy, and found another, "amazing," therapist; that you are nurturing friendships with those who are and will constitute a bigger part of your social life and support network; that you have begun to return to what gives you pleasure (reading books, playing piano).  And icing on the case you have done this during the school holidays without the support of a familiar schedule, colleagues, interactions with students, and the satisfaction and validation you derive from teaching.

  You are doing great!  The grief and loneliness you feel is a measure of the love you felt and the investment you made in your marriage, so although it's painful, it's a testament to your character.  The progress you've made in building a new life for yourself despite that grief and the attendant loneliness is indeed hopeful.

  I hope you are able to move with your dog into your own place soon!  

 

 

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July 23, 2021 6:35 pm  #39


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

Thank you both for your replies... I feel safe here, and can just let it out!!!

OutofHisCloset wrote:

 It's important, I think, to remember that we were deceived by somoene who spent a lifetime perfecting that deception, and that we were not the only ones deceived and fooled, whose trust was violated and betrayed; in other words, the failure wasn't ours, it was our spouses' failure to live honestly. 

Oh, that is soooo true. Thank you for that amazing reminder and truth. I look at him, and think "I never really knew you, did I? Thank God for my two lovely boys... I love them to bits. But for their sake, I choose not to discuss anything with them. I don't want to off-load on their shoulders, they don't need this. It's not their life...they didn't choose to be part of this mess. Luckily, once the new term starts, I am very very busy, and I only "come up to breath" during weekends. Which is not a bad thing at all, the only way I get the time to pass. 
I still haven't told my mum in South Africa. Not sure when I will do this... They are facing many national problems at the moment, and have lost two close friends due to covid. And we are not that close as I mentioned before....how did that go, when you shared your story with family? My siblings are amazing and so supportive. They were quite shocked when they learned the truth and were quite taken back, sad and disappointed in my ex.

Chat soon!

 


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January 18, 2022 10:43 am  #40


Re: I feel like an idiot today, about my choice 29 years ago...

My heart breaks for you. I’m in a similar place. 20 years ago I was a very sheltered fundamentalist Christian with abusive parents. I never dated because of the purity ideas and “I Kissed Dating Goodbye”. My husband had conversion therapy as a teen to make him straight, and they told him it would work if he proved his faith by marrying a girl.

Back then, age 23, I felt honored that God chose me to be part of his healing miracle. Plus, I didn’t know what porn was or what gay really meant. My parents and churches didn’t teach us anything because that was seen as evil. I never had sex Ed class because I was homeschooled. I didn’t even really know what sex involved until my wedding night and then it was really weird and strange. I had never watched mainstream movies or TV.

All that to say, this year I’m starting to forgive myself for not knowing what a ridiculous choice I made. I really loved him and he showed me in a million ways he didn’t care about me. He used me. He protected himself. I stood by him when he almost died of cancer in 2018-20. I patented like a single mom because he never attached to our kids - he’s seeing that he never wanted any kids and hates having people need him. Church people kept telling me I felt alone and unloved because I wasn’t submissive enough, but then I got a job in 2020 and I saw that no other women submit even half as much as me! God showed me what a real marriage involves, care and affection without earning them.

 

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