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Following this thread's line of thinking... how does one not feel like a victim? To feel suppressed, used and silenced most of your life and when you voice why at any point to almost anyone they call you hateful and homophobic? So that the person who still perpetrates abuse remains free to live as they want without check, not just previously but always? I don't see a way for equality to every be achieved under such an unbalanced cultural regime.... I've been alone for a very long time. That doesn't make for equality or reparation.
Part of my concern isn't simply what he did to me and who he is as a person-- but far more importantly-- how most people facilitate and/or participate in the abuse and erasure. It seems like inequality is all society really supports in this regard when this is what stands out as a main life experience and outsiders are both ignorant and don't care. (Why care about X [LGBTQ rights] when one doesn't care about Y [abuse]? What is equality? Too much critical analysis or too distant a result from the cause to trigger the mental linking of wrong?) Fundamentally it seems the problem is about psychology and sociology, not just "victims".
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Trauma doesn't make one stronger. I've learned several common cliches are dangerously wrong. People shouldn't try to burn themselves out or push past their breaking points. Trying to get most people to understand is like talking to a wall, or talking to something that turns around and facilitates what's violating/ violent to you. I always feel on the defensive (triggered, high-alert), so I've learned to silence myself and not be honest so I don't get exhausted and sick simply expressing what I know to be true. It seems most people will choose to deny non-LGBTQ-flattering perspectives and are triggered to react in defense of their views just as strongly. I have empathy for many of the anecdotes and feelings expressed in this forum, but absolutely nowhere outside it will people even allow you to state what you know and has so much affected who you are.
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Also, Momoftwo, I read your post over a week ago and it really sticks with me (like some do). There aren't words for some things (at least in this language), to express either wrong or care. But thanks for sharing your experience.
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I have no problem saying I was a victim of my ex. It's no more difficult than it would be saying I was a victim if a shark bit me. I didn't ask to be hoovered up into the closet, not one iota. and I didn't want to be. I guess you could say well you asked for it because you were swimming in the sea but I think that's a bit of a stretch, swimming in the sea is a part of my natural preserve, so was dating. I accept I am the type of person who makes a tasty meal but that doesn't mean I wanted to be eaten. well not by a shark anyway.
I too am entirely silenced other than here. It's like we are socially primed to give the closet space and I think maybe it's simply because there's so much of it.
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I was a victim of my ex, and when I divorced him I was re-victimized by the judge. I call it "the second rape" which is what judges routinely used to torment women who came forward with rape accusations. My judge did the exact same thing.
I'd love to say it's all in the past, except there was so much money involved ... and I really got screwed.
Judge Hank Goldberg. Previous career highlights included being part of the prosecution team that actually managed to lose the OJ Simpson murder trial.
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so sorry to hear that Walkby, that must have been awful. Just awful.
yes it's the re-victimisation as the ex fires up and then it's the further re-victimisation as people don't or won't understand and now that it is some time ago for me and I am back to social norms where you don't show any sign of ever even questioning the right of a person with homosexual leanings to marry and maintain their closet. And yet I know first hand how distressing it is to be used like that.
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MJM, I think it must be the same the world over, from the hill villages of Asia to San Francisco.
The thing swept so firmly under the carpet is the seriousness of the levels of pain the straight spouse goes into.
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I was a victim but not anymore. That’s what a paper by Dr Minwalla on my situation helped me to see: “ This paper discusses deceptive sexuality – a specific type of ABUSE problem – and the trauma-related experiences and symptoms of people impacted by it. The intent of this paper is to serve as a helpful resource for people who may be experiencing these problems (abusers and VICTIMS), as well as for healthcare professionals who are seeking knowledge on how to best respond to and treat clinical presentations associated with deceptive sexuality. My own learning as a mental health professional has come about, in large part, through a process of sitting in rooms with victims of deceptive sexuality – with intimate partners and spouses who have been abused and traumatized in a very specific way – as an empathic witness, listening to and hearing their traumatic realities, with an open mind and heart. This paper was written as a synthesis of their voices – of the human beings living through and harmed by these experiences. This paper is very much for them – the people suffering – and was written with them in mind, and in my heart. With this type of abuse and trauma still lying in our collective darkness, it’s my hope, particularly for VICTIMS but very much also for abusers, that this paper may serve as a lighthouse that gives people hope and support as they attempt to survive.” Reading that intro was a moment of grace for me. It helped me acknowledge myself as a victim so I could begin to heal. For my sake. “Victim” is not my sole identity by any means—I’m a mother, daughter, sister, friend, employee, neighbor, community member etc etc. I’m free now and also consider myself a survivor.
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I came back to this thread recently and re-read it to see whether my thinking on this topic has evolved with time. I've always bristled at the oversimplistic framing of "victimhood" versus "heroic survivor". Neither extreme really fits.
I continue to be affected by the things my husband did to me, and the lack of support (outside of this forum and of course Chump Lady). I feel like the language is too laden with insinuations; if I say I've been victimized people get resentful, like I'm an attention whore or something. But reading Dr. Minwallahs' paper made it clear: this is actual trauma, not just like your high school boyfriend got caught making out with the head cheerleader behind the bleachers that one time.
I had physical things happen that can clearly be traced to what he was doing to me.
When I get that speech about how wonderfully resiliant I am ... it just pisses me off. It's what people say when they want to make themselves feel better. If I'd had an arm amputated, I might listen to an inspiring lecture from a fellow amputee, but I doubt I'd be receptive to a scolding coming from someone with two functioning arms.
I plan to live a fulfilling and rewarding life, if for no other reason than to spite my abuser. But, I'm not going to sit around pretending I was never victimized, or that the damage he did isn't still live and real for me.
Edited to add: I didn't mean this to sound like a reaction to the immediately preceding post -- hope it didn't read that way. I'm only describing my own experience. I'm not going to pretend it doesn't continue to damage me, I still have flashbacks and nightmares.
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Walkbymyself, excellent analysis of how it affects and continues to affect us. Your amputee vs 2 arms point is trenchant. We all have out own recocery paths and timelines and few understand except those who are going through it.