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May 10, 2021 2:29 pm  #1


Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

About one year post disclosure from spouse about TTT, taking hormones, the works. Still in the house and with the pandemic still mostly at home. He’s accumulated a lot of clothing and adds more weekly in addition to tons of lotion and makeup. Not uncommon to see short skirt and heels for walking the dog. My understanding this “teenager” like phase is quite common. Not very present with our child, up and down in terms of contribution to the household at all. Most of the day and night spent in videos games while playing loud you tube videos and talking to a new set of friends for hours and hours. Leaves sex toys out in the open in the main bathroom, generally oblivious with how all the past lies have impacted things. Lots of rage and unforgettable things said the first few months but now back and forth interacting well with child and treating poorly.

So the roller coaster goes up and down. Not sure if it is an idealization-devaluation-discard cycle or what. I have zero trust after so many lies and how very different this person is from who I met. I find myself really suspicious when he tries to get my option on a meal or anything like that. I just feel it is BS and a means to stay in the home and not fend for himself.

Had a couple over outside recently and they version they got was plain clothes and calm and interactive. For any where there was conflict in the relationship did you experience this where with known people they acted totally kind and regular? I feel like it made me out to seem sooooo unreasonable to not want to stay and make a MOM when they are just so much how they always were. They will even do this when on the phone with some of the new friends. Say something out loud half to me that I know is total crap but makes them look good.

I think I totally lost my train of thought on this. But the way it feels is like I’m being guilted into a MOM (or rather trying to be guilted) that I do not want because they present to others very differently than they do when it is just child and me at home. Like I am just intolerant of TTT instead of multiple years of outright lies and projections and a fabricated personality.

Had I known about TTT from the start I would have declined a relationship as it just doesn’t work with my sexuality as straight. But I never got that choice. I got a bag of lies and then after years a slow escalation of this and things I was not comfortable culminating in my kid losing “dad”.

As more things open up post-pandemic I’m going to have to deal with it more until he leaves the house (no idea when/how they will find work). Any advice from those who dealt with this pre-pandemic especially around mutual friends/acquaintances? I can’t just yell out “hey I feel like they died because the person I met was a lie so I’m not just being a jerk promise” but I also refuse to be “oh everything is just dandy and I am totally fine with this”.

 

May 10, 2021 3:40 pm  #2


Re: Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

Zenobia you sure are on a rinse and repeat cycle, except it isn't a repeat,  it's more like a limbo dance - the bar keeps getting lower.

It's just going to keep getting worse, he has happily skipped past the danger zone and is now busy gaslighting as firmly as ever.  That is going to happen whatever you do, how soon or how late you act he is still going to be managing appearances for the both of you,  this is text book, of course we have been through it - all you can do is identify the people who will support you despite him and remember, at your weakest is when you have to be at your strongest - you have to lead the charge.  

I was very lucky in my lawyer, and when the times came and I was just stymied sitting there with a foggy head and barely able to think let alone act she would call me up like she had an instinct for it and she would tell me what the next step was and that I needed to move - and then I could get on with it.

 

 

May 10, 2021 10:13 pm  #3


Re: Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

lily wrote:

it's more like a limbo dance - the bar keeps getting lower. 

Yes, my late GIDXH was the same. He was in adolescence for the last 14 years of our 20 year marriage. He never wanted it to end. Very apt description, Lily!

Zenobia, they know they have to be kind and reasonable to others. They don’t mind embarrassing themselves in front of the wife and child.  If they’re your adolescent, treat them like one. Set clear boundaries. Take away the lotions and clothing until they work around the house like a spouse needs to. Hide the sex toys until they move out.  Leaving those in front of a kid is not bueno. Tell them you’ll call Child Protective Services if you see just one of those again.   

If they’re not working, who’s giving them the money for the hormones and female accoutrements?  Note what your $$$$ contribution is for the financial part of the divorce settlement and stop contributing to this. 

Tell them to apply for welfare if they disagree with your financial management.

My late GIDXH refused to work and siphoned my money for boyfriends. It’s an issue that has a bit of resonance for me.

I hope things work out for you and you child.

Best,
Maria

Last edited by MJM017 (May 10, 2021 10:14 pm)


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

May 11, 2021 11:04 am  #4


Re: Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

On the financial front I’m fortunate that it is all in my control. I strictly budget and have a “spending” allotment for each. Before all of this I kept shrinking mine more and more and increasing his (probably thinking I could stop the escalation by appeasing him?). Anyway... I stopped that a long while back! I took a look at what help I get with kid and house etc and looked at how many hours of work it would be paying someone (accounting for room and board and insurance and all that) like an employee. That helped set my expectations and give him a clear boundary. He’s been sent some extra things by friends

The items he’s left out *i* know what they are but are not realistic looking so hoping if child has noticed (child doesn’t use that bathroom often) they didn’t know what it was. He seems to notice and out things away by the time I am annoyed enough to say something.

I still feel really annoyed but reflecting more it doesn’t really matter if those “friends” see through his act or not. It is not up to them or what they think. My child and I are what matters in this and other can manage their friendships as they see fit. I will say though that this has changed how much I trust people. One long time friend that was my friend basically asked if I was going to try and force them to not associate with spouse on FB anymore. I said I was not going to dictate to anyone who to speak to. This friend seems more interested in “woke points” and not someone I talk to about things any longer.

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May 12, 2021 1:18 pm  #5


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Zenobia,

".. Had a couple over outside recently and they version they got was plain clothes and calm and interactive. For any where there was conflict in the relationship did you experience this where with known people they acted totally kind and regular...."


Yes my GX was and still is a professional at switching her behavior to hide the gay and raging anger.

She and her girlfriend would show up at events as "just friends".. nobody suspected the gay or the abuse I was subjected to.   I'm sure they felt very clever ..just more deep dark secrets they feel they have total control over.

I thank God everyday to be away from such malevolent behavior.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

May 12, 2021 9:16 pm  #6


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Zenobia, it sounds like you have your plans firmly in place. The friends piece will fall into place, too.  The people who truly understand will stay with you.

Am hoping your spouse will wake up to their responsibilities.  If not, at least hoping they’ll be a competent parent.

My late GIDXH had a personality disorder. I believe he was a psychopath based on this test by David Hare, PhD - http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html   I scored him at over 30.

He would have had this if he was straight or gay and to the same degree. The gay had nothing to do with it.  He was a frightening guy to me but a beloved “angel” to everyone else.  (Like he was to me until a year after our wedding.) He was on the extreme end of the personality disorder spectrum.  He would pick physical fights with strangers,  give the finger to the hidden camera at an ATM, hit the side of a city bus that he had just gotten off of, lied about having early onset dementia when I wanted a divorce a year before I really filed. He destroyed things around the house like a cabinet, gashed our hardwood floor, broke our entrance light, etc. I discovered after his death that he had conduct disorder in 4th grade of public school. He disrupted class and threatened his teacher. He attended a fancy reform school from grades 4-8.

Many straight ex and current partners who post here have to endure narcissistic and abusive behavior from non-straight partners long after the closet door is wide open. Very sorry, Rob, and others.


Take care,
Maria

Last edited by MJM017 (May 12, 2021 9:53 pm)


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

May 12, 2021 10:34 pm  #7


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May 17, 2021 11:48 am  #8


Re: Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

Yes I do think he is somewhere on the range of a covert narcissism disorder. The words and the behavior doesn’t match up and now my eyes are open to that.

I have heard him tell one of these new friends (another older man) to basically just ‘get more money from their father’ to support them (the friend wants to continue not working and living in tourist spots around Europe). He tends to see his own parents in a similar light which was not at all apparent in the beginning. These are able bodied people well into the 40’s with no problem with having a parent (who is probably at an age to be on a fixed income) just pay for their life. Even without TTT this is not a person I would select to be in a relationship had I been given the chance to decide based on the real person. It goes beyond the trivial ways we present our best selves when first meeting people.

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May 17, 2021 3:29 pm  #9


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Zenobia wrote:

Yes I do think he is somewhere on the range of a covert narcissism disorder. The words and the behavior doesn’t match up and now my eyes are open to that.

These are able bodied people well into the 40’s with no problem with having a parent (who is probably at an age to be on a fixed income) just pay for their life. Even without TTT this is not a person I would select to be in a relationship had I been given the chance to decide based on the real person. It goes beyond the trivial ways we present our best selves when first meeting people.

I felt my late ex was a con artist. It didn’t have anything to do with being in the closet. He might have been excellent at reading people to avoid harassment, discrimination and attacks that LGBTQ+ have to endure.  There was no reason for him to not to be with another gay guy. He lived here in SF from age ten on. His parents and sibling moved back permanently  to their hometown 3000 miles away while my ex was in college. They would have figured he was a “bachelor” to save face with friends and family.

I think he tried to find a gay sugar daddy. (We met while I was temping 30 years ago.) He was really angry at a coworker with superior job (asst. vp) who he told me was gay. The guy did set off my gaydar. They were friends and he went to his condo often.  This fellow ended the friendship.  I saw this friendship as a sign my h was accepting and liberal.  I failed to see his outrage at his ex “friend” was very odd. 

I think this guy was smart and could read people well, too. He may have deduced my ex was a loafer/male gold digger. I was young and naive. My h decided to try to pretend straight with me for $$$$.   I could have been a trained seal at the circus who had a large bank account. That would have been just fine for him.

I wish I had known then what I know now, too. Would have dumped the bum or divorced him early on. Am so glad I divorced him at any rate. The best thing to come out of that relationship for sure. 

Keeping my fingers crossed they leave your home soon and you can start your new life.

Best & {{hugs}}
Maria


 

Last edited by MJM017 (May 17, 2021 3:36 pm)


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

May 17, 2021 5:33 pm  #10


Re: Roller Coaster - Different in Front of Others

Zenobia wrote:

Had I known about TTT from the start I would have declined a relationship as it just doesn’t work with my sexuality as straight. But I never got that choice.

But guess what?  You have a choice now.  If you don't want to be in a relationship with a trans-woman, you don't have to be.  As to the consequences if you leave?  Those are his fault.  You don't have to live the rest of your life in a state of being hoodwinked.
 

 

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