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May 10, 2021 7:55 am  #21


Re: Effects of Deception

Which brings us to what others here have suggested in the past. A trauma counselor may be a better fit for some of us than a relationship/marriage counselor.


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May 10, 2021 8:18 am  #22


Re: Effects of Deception

I am not sure that my therapist deals with trauma or not. She is very respectful of my feelings and told me that I should do what is best for me and that it is no one's business. I hope that I don't end up like my friend. Gays and Lesbians should not enter into relationships or marriages with straight people. Sadly, there is no law against it.

 

May 10, 2021 5:32 pm  #23


Re: Effects of Deception

Thanks, Rob. I've felt so many triggers the last 5 or so years and I'd just like there to be space for the issue to be framed more humanly than based in legal status because I haven't yet found a site dedicated to those who weren't married. Part of my personal difficulty is that people can be dismissive of the situation for a straight person for multiple reasons-- one of which is having not been married. Clearly having been married raises other issues which I was fortunate not to deal with and which are in no way minor; the psychological/emotional impact isn't one of them.

Gloria, thanks for sharing. Interesting to think of the vast number of ways this deception can manifest and affect people. And AIDS being much more of an issue in the '80s. I wonder how many people experience long-term psychological disturbance because of having being deceived in this way for a period of their lives. And probably more importantly, what factors of the relationship or overlapping its time period that may have contributed to people having been able to really fully be whole again rather than experience that.

I agree a trauma counselor may be more applicable, especially post-relationship when one feels triggered by things external to the partner's immediate actions.

 

 

May 11, 2021 7:09 pm  #24


Re: Effects of Deception

I’m starting to have negative  physiological reactions (nausea and pit in my stomach) to tv shows & movies with scenes that involve lovers in bed. I’m not talking about porn. I just mean even scenes where a STRAIGHT couple is just kissing in bed. I tried reading the section on this blog of MOM. To see if my husband is bisexual (I’m not entirely convinced he is- whether that be denial or truth not sure), would we be able to make it work. And reading that section gave me the same pit in my stomach feeling. Are these feelings normal? I’m so sick to my gut in my core. I’m disgusted by intimacy. I’m angered by happy couples on tv. I’m sick.

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May 11, 2021 7:45 pm  #25


Re: Effects of Deception

Treelovingvegan wrote:

I’m starting to have negative physiological reactions (nausea and pit in my stomach) to tv shows & movies with scenes that involve lovers in bed.............................. And reading that section gave me the same pit in my stomach feeling. Are these feelings normal? I’m so sick to my gut in my core. I’m disgusted by intimacy. I’m angered by happy couples on tv. I’m sick.

 

I see that as your intuition kicking in. I have had those feelings myself. But you have to..not embrace it...but look at it from not a straightspouses viewpoint but the viewpoint of the person you were before this Mindfuck happened, because you don't want this to destroy you, you want to be the person you were before so you have to seperate all the triggering bits of life (that aren't triggering for any non-straightspouse) and just work your way through it all.

I thought it would never end!! the sickening feeling when a love scene came on the tv and I'd think "this was me, now it's not...it's not fair" It was pretty conflicting....especially when my partner was sitting watching too. I started to feel guilty, like it was my fault this was happening, that our sex life was over. But hell no...it had nothing to do with me. And I just had to keep making decisions for me, about the way I wanted my life to be. The fact I haven't left my partner yet means I had to do a shitload of work on my self-esteem by reminding myself this is not me wanting to change our intimate r'ship, not me who lied, not me etc etc

The fact my partner and I manage to live with 'the elephant in the room' is testament to the longevity of our r'ship...
and the success of it pre-disastrous email in 2017.....which is in its 37th year

Hang in there Treelovin'..be stronger than those feelings you have

Elle


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May 11, 2021 10:31 pm  #26


Re: Effects of Deception

Treelovingvegan wrote:

I’m starting to have negative  physiological reactions (nausea and pit in my stomach) to tv shows & movies with scenes that involve lovers in bed. I’m not talking about porn. I just mean even scenes where a STRAIGHT couple is just kissing in bed. I tried reading the section on this blog of MOM. To see if my husband is bisexual (I’m not entirely convinced he is- whether that be denial or truth not sure), would we be able to make it work. And reading that section gave me the same pit in my stomach feeling. Are these feelings normal? I’m so sick to my gut in my core. I’m disgusted by intimacy. I’m angered by happy couples on tv. I’m sick.

I was like that too for a while. I think it was because I was still in the bad relationship and was terribly angry and ashamed not being able to make a perfect family. Also abuse had stolen my belief in the possibility of happiness and safety in intimate relationships.

I was trying to keep up the lie of our happy union. I mistakenly and bitterly believed all relationships were false simply because my ex turned out to be a liar and I was still trapped in living that lie with him.

But since my divorce and no contact for over 2 years now that my youngest is adult, i have been able to internalize that it is my GEXs shame not mine.  I married a man who turned out to be a nasty person. His character is not my fault!

He sexually abused me but that was him not me.  His ugly view of sex and women is not mine to own.  i suffered from it but i didnt cause it or buy into it. It was all him. 

So while i have no desire for another intimate relationship, I am at peace with the potential positives of sex and marriage and human love. I am glad people find solace and strength in healthy intimacy. Bad people do bad things but that's on them.

Living with lies when you are an honest person can make you very sad and angry. And abuse really warps your picture of life and relationships.

 

May 12, 2021 1:08 pm  #27


Re: Effects of Deception

Tree, Soap,

I had quite the opposite reaction to shows and found straight romance shows such as Hallmark comforting..realizing that they are still just fake shows.
I still tend to avoid shows if TGT is the main focus of the show. 
The thing to keep in mind is the shows are all fake.   
I'm not anti gay..I actually watched "uncle frank" on Amazon and it was quite good..he had to hide the gay..but that was 60s and you have to wonder why someone would do that in 90s when I got married.

I think it's ok and normal if you find anything triggering..to recognize it and be kind to yourself..avoiding it or working to reframe it.  Give yourself time and know it does not have to be something you avoid forever.

Soaplife I agree this was all them and it's there shame to bear. We all bear it because that's the kind of people we are..empathetic, responsible.
but the truth is it is not ours. Years later I still remind myself this is something that happened to me..it is not me.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

May 12, 2021 10:37 pm  #28


Re: Effects of Deception

Tree - I was taken by the way you separated your feelings into nausea and anxiety in the pit of the stomach - yes.  Yes.  Looking back to my own feelings the nausea was directly related to the sexual incompatibility whereas the pit of the stomach anxiety included the upcoming need for action in terms of self preservation.  First part, the nausea, flows into the second part, the anxiety - but there is this added edge which was get ready you are going to need to move.

 

May 13, 2021 12:00 pm  #29


Re: Effects of Deception

clintonia wrote:

Thanks, Rob. I've felt so many triggers the last 5 or so years and I'd just like there to be space for the issue to be framed more humanly than based in legal status because I haven't yet found a site dedicated to those who weren't married. Part of my personal difficulty is that people can be dismissive of the situation for a straight person for multiple reasons-- one of which is having not been married. Clearly having been married raises other issues which I was fortunate not to deal with and which are in no way minor; the psychological/emotional impact isn't one of them

 

There’s a group on Facebook called “Mixed Orientation Marriages and Other Relationships “. It’s not strictly for non married couples, but at least offers it, as compared to the group (which is also good- both are upbeat), “Mixed Orientation Marriages “. And, I recently also found just Mixed Orientation Relationships” (almost forgot 😉). 

Good luck. Maybe you can find something in one or more of those groups that will match what you’re looking for. I really like the people there, too.

 

May 20, 2021 1:22 am  #30


Re: Effects of Deception

Thanks for the tip, Susanne. I'll look into those.

 

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