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November 20, 2020 11:38 pm  #1


Hot/Cold

I am deep in the process of evaluating my relationship with my husband.  I know we love each other.  The communication is honest (at least I think so) and when we do connect sexually, it is passionate and lovely.  I do believe that he has cut ties with the man he had the affair with.  My husband says he has decided he wants to be with me.  This has been a roller coaster to say the least.  My level of trust has taken a massive hit and I am trying to recover.  He has not been behaving untrustworthy and I believe he is trying.  

What I'm wondering about is why his sexual interest in me has been so hot and cold over the years?  I know many long term marriages can have this issue and I also know his sexual experiences with the other man were part of it.  

When we are together it is very good but in our relationship there have been many long stretches of no sex.  We went several years with only having sex around 10 times a year.  I am not a young woman but I do want more intimacy than this.  I know that I need to lose around 15 to 20 lbs and he does too but men are very visual and influenced by porn and other media.  

Man, I feel really bad talking about this.  It's embarrassing.  I guess what I'm wondering is if he has just not faced his sexuality and maybe he is more gay than he is willing to admit.  He says he's not and that most of his life he has desired women more than men.  All I know is I don't want to pursue him anymore.  My marriage is in a very rocky place.

 

November 21, 2020 1:17 pm  #2


Re: Hot/Cold

Hi Sonata, 

I’d have to go back over all your posts to be sure, but has your husband always claimed to be bisexual, since he first claimed any orientation at all? Many bisexual people say they experience a bi-cycle where they go from one relative extreme of desire to the other. Some say their bi-cycles are long... lasting months, some say they can be short and can be flipped to the other side pretty easily. So for example my husband would say he leans 70% toward women, but for him, if he had to give it a percentage his desire could by as strong as 40% for men/60% for women. He says over the years he’s been able to relatively easily get passed his periods of desire for sexual pleasure with a man by either distracting himself with another project or activity or on occasion, masterbating to gay porn. Just to let you know, he and I have watched gay porn together since the beginning so him doing that is no shock to me and I have no issue with it. Also his porn consumption has not changed in what he likes (it hasn’t gotten kinky... still pretty vanilla as far a gay goes). He hasn’t had to up it to get off... sorry, but I need to make it understood. My point in saying all this is, perhaps when things are “cold” he’s going through a bi-cycle swinging toward men. It’s good to talk about all these things with him. I hope he’s open to talking to you. My husband has revealed sooooo much to me this last year. Some of it scared the crap of me of course. I’m human too, but I tell him I’d rather hear than not... and we’ll find our way through it somehow. My husband also says his biggest regret in all of this was hurting me. So that’s certainly helpful for my healing. His revelation that he’s bi... didn’t bother me at all. I knew deep down he wasn’t typically straight from day one. He didn’t really try to hide his interest, but he couldn’t bring himself to accept it (possibly because of the abuse he suffered when he was young) either if that makes sense. 

Don’t be embarrassed. You’re among friends. My suggestion would be to focus more energy on yourself. If you desire to loose a few pounds, start with that... get out for a daily walk or so. Start making the motions to put you as a priority in your life. 

I’m happy to talk whenever. 

Tangled 

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November 21, 2020 11:35 pm  #3


Re: Hot/Cold

Hi TangledOil,

I really appreciate your response.  It was helpful.  My husband and I read it together and that lead to a good discussion.  He said he does feel that he is cycling in the ways you describe.  He said your post rang true for him.  It helps explain these dry periods.  Thank you.  

We decided that we will figure out what to do and try to give ourselves till the beginning of the year to figure out what we want to do.  We'd like to make our marriage work but we aren't sure we can get around these issues.  
I am not sure how to get over the infidelity and how do you regain trust?  Would love to talk sometime.

Last edited by Sonata (November 21, 2020 11:35 pm)

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November 22, 2020 11:25 am  #4


Re: Hot/Cold

Hi Sonata, 

I’m glad it helped you open the lines of communication. My husband says he’s not been unfaithful and I do believe him. I probably wrote about what he was interested in, if I approved it, early on when I began posting here, but his interest in exploring was rather limited and it was with one particular old friend who lives at least a thousand miles away. This friend isn’t aware of any of this, but they had a past over 30 years ago. I’m not sure how one gets past the infidelity, but I’m aware of some online resources for that purpose. As for myself I feel I’ve had to overcome the trauma, not of the reveal of bisexuality, but the ask for a person on the side.. That was hard to hear, and traumatic and I’m certain I suffered PTSD as a result. 

I want to emphasize that communication is key and it’s the only way through this. My husband rarely brings this topic up anymore, but he’s 100% open to taking about any and all of it when I do. We’ve even gotten to the point where we find humor in much of it and can laugh about it. Life can be good or great again regardless of how things go down the road though. Just remember that please. 

Tangled 

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November 22, 2020 12:30 pm  #5


Re: Hot/Cold

Sonata,
Regaining trust is not easy and takes time. The first year after the moment my wife told me she was lesbian, I couldn't imagine trust would ever be back like it was before.
First my trust took a hit by the fact of her sexual orientation itself. Would it mean our marriage was eventually doomed, because someday she would have to follow up on her sexuality?
The other factor that eroded my trust in her quite a lot, was she emotionally couldn't let go of the woman she'd fell in love with. Even when it was clear this was hurtful to me.
I felt rejected, disappointment over what my marriage seemly had been and turned out to. My wife was glad to have discovered who she was, but what about me then? 
During that year it felt more and more hopeless and going nowhere, after some time I reluctantly was starting to consider divorce. 

Although we set some good starting principles and genuinely wanted to stay together, there were several things we didn't do right during that first year:
- We talked, but it only scratched the surface. More like splashing around to keep the head above the water, not really learning to swim.
- We accepted my wife's sexuality which was good, but she hadn't a clue how to really give this a place in herself, with herself being in our relation. Of course, we tried to deal with it, but that was considering the practical consequences. 
- We should have gone for professional support, ie. a therapist who has knowledge and experience about these situations.

All in all we were actually trying to find a work around, (of course we didn't realize this at the time). But we should have gone for a real solution, and in the first place that meant talking on a deeper level. That's something one has to learn. At the time we didn't realize that, after all we did talk, and that wasn't about the weather.
(but when I compare it to how we talked years later, there's a world of difference). Also the "not wanting to hurt each other" plays a role, that's not intended as being dishonest/lying, but it hinders the level of openness and transparency that is needed. My wife could pull up a wall, and no matter how much I tried, nothing.
I had my limitations also, didn't know how to deal with this. Which made it harder for my wife to open up. I suppressed my emotions for the good of the cause, but that's not good either.
The other issue was wife handling her sexuality. She accepted it and gave it in a place in herself, which was good (no denial). But by consequence, in her dealing with me she had to go around it. (indeed: a "work around"). Obviously this is only a superficial solution to a much deeper problem that must be solved. 

Well this approach doesn't work (or at least wouldn't have for us). If we wanted to find a way, we had to go really in and through it. No short cuts or half-baked solutions are allowed.
Maybe coming to the point that it looked like we would fail was a reality check. The realization we just had to do it different, no loop holes or escapes. We had to talk much better, we had to find a way with her sexual orientation. 
With determination to make real choices, but also using rational thinking.
For instance consciously selecting a therapist, not just picking from the top 5 google suggests. So getting well-informed about his/her knowledge about sexual orientation issues and MOM's. Also the stance he/she is having towards it.
There are very different opinions also among therapists. What is good for a single adolescent LGB, is not necessarily the course a LGB in a MOM should follow. (same goes for straights of course, but to some the magic "LGB" word seems to trigger a totally different set of rational).
You have to know what you want to achieve with therapy and whether the therapist is capable and willing to align with that goal. Most important for my wife was to understand being lesbian was not her all defining identity, but merely a part/aspect of her being. This was an all important first step she learned from her therapist. This functioned as a  base, a relativation that opened up paths to different stories and outcomes than the default.
Also the not-straight spouse often tends not to really grasp the impact all has on the straight spouse. Thinking they can cope with it within themselves, try to work around. Like I wrote, this won't do.
We decided for individual therapy for my wife on the matter of sexual orientation in a MOM, and couples counseling to improve communication and coping with the overall emotional side of our relation. This makes sense because these were exactly the two (different) aspects that were central to the situation. Both forms of professional help meant a lot to us.

Back to the regaining trust.

Not dealing with the problems thorougly won't help much regaining trust. It will just affirm the notion that it's not going anywhere in the future.

In contrast, when we started addressing the problems we had in a real way, it slowly but surely led to regaining trust.
By talking I got an open and honest view on my wives thoughts and feelings. Step by step leading to know that "What you see (and hear) is what you get", well... close enough.
My wife started to define the way she chose how to deal with her sexual orientation. This took time to develop, but I recognized the direction she was going and this assured me we were on the right track.
By the end of that second year, the first signs of our regained trust started to show. Fully regaining trust, and actually better than it was before, took more years. Frustrating as it may seem, it takes a lot of time. But not just "time", it's the way that time is actively used to built ourselves and the relation that matters.

 

November 26, 2020 3:05 pm  #6


Re: Hot/Cold

Dutchman,

As always, thank you for your beautiful, thoughtful response.  I appreciate it!  This has been quite a journey that my husband and I are going through.  At the beginning, after learning of his affair, I was ready to end it.  I have one reason to thank Coronavirus for....there was nowhere to really go, we were in lockdown.  So, it's been painful but I have learned so much.  He has learned so much.  I don't exactly know what will happen but I know we have grown closer through this whole thing.  It has helped us become more honest and look more deeply at ourselves and each other.  

In the end, he may find that he cannot leave the side of him that wants men and then we will have to face this together.  I don't think I can be in an open relationship so time will tell.  I suppose this does open the door to more hurt potentially but also more growth and completion.

Happy Thanksgiving.  Wishing you and your wife a blessed day!

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