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Hi all,
I have been divorced from my MtF ex for 2 years now. Though the decision to divorce was hard, we have tried to remain amicable friends. We texted every day, hung out regularly before COVID hit, celebrated holidays together, etc.
I was absolutely ecstatic in the beginning when she finally moved out of our apartment. That entire first year, I was so happy with life, it was like nothing could get me down, I was so thrilled to be free of that relationship. I thought everything was going to be great for me from there on out.
But now it's 2 years later, and my ex told me earlier this year that she wanted to have some surgery. She wanted to have breast implants and facial "feminization" done. She asked me for my opinion about doing this; she was worried that I might "think less of her as a person" for wanting these things done. I told her honestly that I had no issue with her getting the boobs, but I did not think she needed the facial stuff done. We talked many hours about what would happen if the surgery went wrong, or if she didn't like the results, etc. I told her I would not think less of her if she did it, which was true. It's her body, she can do what she wants.
She had the surgery last month, the breasts and the facial stuff, and I am honestly sort of surprised how hard it has been for me to process this. I definitely felt like my husband was "dying" when my ex first came out, and I told her as much back then, and I thought I was over all of that, but with this recent surgery, I feel like that is happening all over again, even though it's been 2 years now. It feels like she is wiping out her entire previous existence, and in a way, she is, and I know that's her choice, but it's still really messing with me for some reason. I was afraid to look at any pictures she was posting of her new face online because I was afraid how much it would upset me. I did finally look one day, and it's not so much of a drastic change as I thought, but it still bothers me more than I want to admit. COVID's only saving grace for me has been that I can use it as an excuse NOT to see my ex in person right now.
I have been trying to move on with my life, and I have been dating a new guy this year and he knows all about my past marriage and why I got divorced, and he said I can talk to him about it any time, but I'm worried he will think I still have feelings for my ex (I definitely don't) if I try to talk to him about all of this current stuff and end up getting emotional about it (ugly-crying is unattractive, let's be real, and this stuff makes me ugly-cry). I am worried I will scare him off.
People who divorced their spouses because they decided to transition, how long did it take you to get over it all? Did you share your past experiences with your current significant other, and if so, how deeply into that did you get? Is that a bad thing to do, or a smart thing to do?
Thank you for your time, and I'm really grateful to have found this network of people.
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Welcome to our Forum Hei Hei...
Do you have a girlfriend whose shoulder you can cry on instead? This new man could be totally genuine but we all know about the over-emotional stuff and how some men would rather we take it somewhere else
Elle
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My ex did not follow through on his initially stated desire to take hormones and have an orchiectomy (remove his testicles), or to transition; he's still in the closet. But before I left and divorced him, he wanted to use me as a sounding board, and he definitely wanted validation from me for his woman persona. I now believe that to have been unempathetic and selfish. He believed he was was entitled to change everything about himself and to expect me to continue to remain the understanding and supportive wife.
Forgive me if I am reading in to your situation, but it does seem to me that you, too, have been leaned on--or have leaned on yourself--to be supportive and understanding, even at the cost of your own feelings. That these further changes in your ex, changes that take your spouse even further away from the person s/he was with you, is causing you to re-live the trauma of the rupture, and seems a clear sign that your body and your psyche are asking you to protect yourself by limiting your contact with your ex.
That you were "happy with life" and "thrilled to be free" when your ex moved out, for an entire year, but two years on are still be seeing your ex, who is using you as an emotional sounding board and seeking validation from you for further changes, suggests to me that you still have some detaching to do. A new relationship sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to distance yourself from your ex, whose further transformations are causing you to re-visit the pain of your divorce.
You might also find this article clarifying:
“Attachment Injury Resolution in Couples when One Partner is Trans-Identified"
Journal of Systemic Therapies Vol. 31, No. 2, 2012, pp. 36–53
Donna Chapman and Benjamin Caldwell
You can google it for a full text.
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Hei Hei I don’t have much advice to offer as I’m not yet out of my marriage but wanted to extend a welcome from another new member.
I’ve read the attachment injury article OutofHisCloset shared and found it helpful.
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Ellexoh_nz wrote:
Welcome to our Forum Hei Hei...
Do you have a girlfriend whose shoulder you can cry on instead? This new man could be totally genuine but we all know about the over-emotional stuff and how some men would rather we take it somewhere else
Elle
I don't really, I've kind of fallen away from all the friends I used to have, but I am also not much of a "people person", and do not make friends easily, and I have moved to two separate states in the past 7 years, so I guess that doesn't help.
I believe the guy I'm seeing is genuine, I think I'm just worried of what he'll think if he sees me more emotional than I usually am.
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OutofHisCloset wrote:
My ex did not follow through on his initially stated desire to take hormones and have an orchiectomy (remove his testicles), or to transition; he's still in the closet. But before I left and divorced him, he wanted to use me as a sounding board, and he definitely wanted validation from me for his woman persona. I now believe that to have been unempathetic and selfish. He believed he was was entitled to change everything about himself and to expect me to continue to remain the understanding and supportive wife.
Forgive me if I am reading in to your situation, but it does seem to me that you, too, have been leaned on--or have leaned on yourself--to be supportive and understanding, even at the cost of your own feelings. That these further changes in your ex, changes that take your spouse even further away from the person s/he was with you, is causing you to re-live the trauma of the rupture, and seems a clear sign that your body and your psyche are asking you to protect yourself by limiting your contact with your ex.
That you were "happy with life" and "thrilled to be free" when your ex moved out, for an entire year, but two years on are still be seeing your ex, who is using you as an emotional sounding board and seeking validation from you for further changes, suggests to me that you still have some detaching to do. A new relationship sounds like a perfect opportunity for you to distance yourself from your ex, whose further transformations are causing you to re-visit the pain of your divorce.
You might also find this article clarifying:
“Attachment Injury Resolution in Couples when One Partner is Trans-Identified"
Journal of Systemic Therapies Vol. 31, No. 2, 2012, pp. 36–53
Donna Chapman and Benjamin Caldwell
You can google it for a full text.
Thank you for sharing this article. I did read it, and I never thought about things that way, the way they are described there. It was very helpful.
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Zenobia wrote:
Hei Hei I don’t have much advice to offer as I’m not yet out of my marriage but wanted to extend a welcome from another new member.
I’ve read the attachment injury article OutofHisCloset shared and found it helpful.
Hello Zenobia,
I read it also, and found it helpful. I wish there were more articles like that.
Good luck to you in whatever you choose to do with your marriage and remember to look out for yourself and your feelings.
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Hello Hei Hei, welcome!
Your story is very similar to mine, I decided to divorce very quickly but remained friends even after 3 years (socially positive attitude, political correctness, etc, etc, you name it) But I felt totally free and less depressed 3 weeks ago when I decided to cut ties with them 100%.
I realized that I never moved on actually, I just fooled myself or maybe unintentionally used them even because I am living in a foreign country, came here for them and I also have anxiety issues and he was supporting me with reassurances etc. And can't easily go back to my homeland now.
But in the end I became so depressed that I was forced to say "I'd rather suffer anxiety all alone but remain friends with them". Which actually sort of lifted my mood
@OutofHisCloset, thank you for the article, will be reading.
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I'm struggling with this issue of having ongoing interactions. I went back to the house to get the movers organized, packing up my stuff, and because my daughter was also staying there at the time, I was insistent that we not start litigating divorce issues in the house. I told my husband if he has anything he wants to argue over, have his lawyer contact my lawyer. I actually enjoyed, kind of, being there and just not fighting. It reminded me of the friendship we did have. And, I think my daughter really wanted to see her family whole for one last time (she's 24, since her whole company is now working remotely for the summer, she wanted to be in the house, not in her tiny little apartment).
I'm still feeling a little conflicted about this whole thing, because for me it's not merely the past ... the problem is what he intends to do in the future. He has only been paying me support for 12 months, and in September when he turns 65 he's going to petition to have it reduced or eliminated. I won't be able to stay in this apartment, or even in this city, if he does that. So my anger at him isn't solely over past treatment, it's his whole outlook and the way he diminishes my needs. But it's possible that by maintaining the "good" part of the relationship, he might start to see me in a more sympathetic light.
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My ex came out of the closet and has no desire to live as a woman as far as I know, just to be overtly gay. With that caveat though, and several years post-separation and divorce, I can say that he is self-centered and will seek from those around him what he wants without consideration of their needs.
If your ex leaned on you during the marriage the divorce alone won't change it. You will have to set boundaries to protect your time, mental health and new relationships. If he was a female friend who pulled you into personal issues which were not comfortable for you and who took up your time and left you upset and exhausted, you would try to end the friendship: you are not a therapist.
I agree with you that offloading this onto the new man in your life is not a good idea. When you are dating you hope that those you meet have their lives in order and are not a hot mess. The same should go for those dating you. Use your time with the new man to get to know each other and live your present joufully.