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September 27, 2019 8:30 am  #1


Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

   Those of us who have been on the Forum for a while (for me it's been three years; I first made contact with the Straight Spouse Network through a peer counselor and posted on the Forum in September 2016) know that there are certain patterns of response that follow after a partner's disclosure or our own discovery.   
 
   When a new person comes on the Forum, oftentimes they exhibit a pattern of response that elicits from one or more of us farther along on this path/journey a comment saying this, something like "It's common that..." or "Don't be surprised if..."  These comments fall into categories I privately think of as "It's not unlikely you will do/think/feel the following," or, "It's not unlikely your partner will do/think/feel the following." (Somewhere on the forum in the past year or so I actually did write a post about these patterns of response, how so many of us, for example, arrive here focused on our partners and concerned for them and not ourselves, or how we want to help our partners along "in their journey," etc. etc.; a cursory search didn't turn it up, but if I find it, I'll re-post it). 

   The forum includes a "First Aid Guide," one that is like triage care: you're in shock, here's what you can do to treat it.   I have often thought we need another guide, one that can alert those just confronting the situation to some responses they might encounter in themselves or in their partners.   I personally have found that understanding there are patterns of response, and what they were, helped me both to to understand my own and my (ex)partner's behavior, to respond to it with more understanding, and to gain some control over my behavior.

   I understand the truism of "You hear what you want to hear, and you see what you want to see," as Harry Nilsson has the Rock Man say in "The Point."  That is, I understand that one can't hear or see something until one has arrived at the point one is ready and able to hear or see it.  So a guide can't save anyone from the agony attendant on this situation we are thrust into.  But I also know that what others here did say about those likely responses and patterns of behavior helped me get there faster.  To know, for example, that my now-ex would ramp up his feminizing with every new step, that it was like an addiction, gave me an understanding of his behavior so I could understand what I was seeing as it happened, and not just react to each new moving of the goalposts.  

   Do you all think this would be a useful thread?  Maybe even a useful thread to follow the one that is the First Aid thread?  (That is, get pinned up at the top?)  If so, could you please contribute your wisdom?  

   

  

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (September 27, 2019 8:34 am)

 

September 27, 2019 8:50 am  #2


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

OOHC,
I think this is a good idea.

One response I continue to see in my ex is the following:
I don’t know if there is a vocabulary for this, but my ex had and still does attempt to make her problems that are clearly hers alone to handle,  my problems. When she first proposed open marriage as a solution,  it was almost as if she treated her orientation as a condition ( dare I say illness and risk being shunned as an antiquated homophobe) that ‘we’ needed to accommodate. That was is its own skein to untangle.

This ‘our’ problem vs ‘my’ problem is a pattern she continues to exhibit in the co/parenting. And yet if I suggest a problem may need a joint solution she is more than ready to abdicate to me.

ADSJ

 

September 27, 2019 9:57 am  #3


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

Yes! You've got my vote.
Thank you. 

 

October 2, 2019 5:29 am  #4


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

Yes I think that it is a very useful idea/thread!!!  For sure!  The long term lies/gaslighting that we as straight spouses are so used to makes it is very difficult to see the lies clearly.  And we are so accustomed to being blamed for not being ‘good’ partners if we don’t support their POV!

I posted an article on gaslighting on Medium that used some metaphors from Kel and others here about the common experiences.  I’ll post the link here if anyone is interested.  I think understanding the gaslighting is key.

https://medium.com/@plwsheffield/dating-non-and-hetero-mixing-it-up-468573c3228d

Last edited by Leah (October 2, 2019 5:31 am)

 

October 5, 2019 7:24 am  #5


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

It’s a great idea.  This group has helped me so much.  It has opened my eyes to see so much more.  I don’t know how I would feel if I couldn’t read these stories and realize I’m not the only one going through this.  I don’t feel so alone.
I actually told my therapist I found this group so she could tell others going through the same things.  She was really grateful.

Last edited by Alley123 (October 5, 2019 7:27 am)

 

October 5, 2019 8:24 am  #6


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

Leah wrote:

Yes I think that it is a very useful idea/thread!!!  For sure!  The long term lies/gaslighting that we as straight spouses are so used to makes it is very difficult to see the lies clearly.  And we are so accustomed to being blamed for not being ‘good’ partners if we don’t support their POV!

I posted an article on gaslighting on Medium that used some metaphors from Kel and others here about the common experiences.  I’ll post the link here if anyone is interested.  I think understanding the gaslighting is key.

https://medium.com/@plwsheffield/dating-non-and-hetero-mixing-it-up-468573c3228d

Leah, your essay exactly sums up my experience and puts words to a mental state  that is almost indescribable.  It is abuse, invisible and insidious.  Perhaps not intentional, but devastating.   My soon to be ex GIDH basically had a whole secret life that , once disclosed, he refused to acknowledge  and now just dismisses and ignores. One year after disclosure, with lots of therapy and a brief attempt at reconciliation, Our 29 year marriage now slow rolling to a civil, dignified, amicable end.  But I am left thinking - WTH?  How could this have happened?!?

 

October 10, 2019 3:43 am  #7


Re: Patterns of response to disclosure, discovery, and doubt

Thanks Mom0f4, I'm glad to hear you found it helpful.  I'm glad to hear your divorce is dignified and amicable.  That is a good result.  But yet, yes, how?  How I was shouting the other day in a yoga class (where shouting was part of the thing!) How is this the result of all my devotion to a family life that is now blown to smithereens!?  How is it that I still feel guilty for something I had no control over?  How is it that he can just walk away after 27 years as if I don't exist and still manage to continue the damage to my psyche, by his corrosive silence around what the reality was.  I will never really know.  I'm working through it all but there are so many raw emotions undermining my day to day functioning, such as it is.... 

 

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